N.O.R.F Posted March 15, 2007 Now that the Palestians have agreed on a unity govnt with Hamas ‘likely’ to denounce violence and recognize Israel along with all major Arab countries, is this it? Are we about to witness something? Is Palestine about to be re-born? Will there be peace, stability and progress for Palestians at long last? The USA, EU and Israel have been backed into a corner, all of their demands seem to have been met. What will they do next? Are they good for their word or are to expect something to delay the process? What will happen dear nomads? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Changed Posted March 15, 2007 No peace in Palestine... If there is peace then prepare for the end of the world... lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taliban Posted March 15, 2007 Originally posted by Northerner: What will happen dear nomads? Palestine was taken with force; only force can liberate it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted March 15, 2007 ^^ Carry on talking your nonsense. Fifty years of 'force can liberate it' only managed to create fifty years of refugees and miserable Palestinians. Same old Haddad, same old pointless one-liners (I hoped the year away at that ‘other’ place would have improved you a little)! North, This will not make one jot of a difference. There are many in Israel that don’t want such a peace to take place. As for the demands being met, well, the last demand was for Arafat to step down and the Palestinians to have a legally elected government. You saw what happened when they (legally) elected Hamas! More of the same really. Besides, I doubt if Hamas mean what they say. They can’t suddenly renounce everything they stood for all those years with nothing tangible in return. They want the whole of Palestine back (an impossibility right now). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted March 15, 2007 NG, I know what you mean. They will always make a new demand and make look as though they are the victims. But with the Makka meeting, King Abdullah of Jordan's speech at the US Congress last week (did you see him practically beg?) and indications that Hamas are about to recognise Israel (if you believe the news wires but i doubt it) one can only conclude a step closer to a Palestian state. Well in Theory at least. Thing is, the Arabs (KSA Jordan and Egypt) have been trying very hard to convince all Arabs to recognise Israel. They are beginning to warm to the idea. Hamas are under pressure from Arabs to recognise Israel let alone the West. I'm just interested in what the US/Israel will do next. The end game is approaching. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Centurion Posted March 15, 2007 Now that the Palestians have agreed on a unity govnt with Hamas ‘likely’ to denounce violence and recognize Israel along with all major Arab countries, is this it? Are we about to witness something? Is Palestine about to be re-born? Will there be peace, stability and progress for Palestians at long last? Although the latest talks and the power-sharing pact between Hamas and Fatah show promise, it is far to early to answer any of these questions as of yet. Once the coalition has been fully established, and once the seemingly inevitable 'recognition' of Israel takes place, Israel will no doubt respond kindly and tolerate the release of a significant number of its Palestinian prisoners and loosen the noose it has on the economical and developmental capacity of the Palestinian territories. Yet, these would be but the first steps in the long journey to a peaceful and prosperous Palestine(the parts Israel doesnt illegaly possess of course) There is a long way to go yet, that is certain. And of course the 'recognition' of Israel is not guaranteed' the Hamas affiliated elements in the new Palestinian government will of course see the neccessity of defrosting ties with the Israelis, but might baulk from and very likely stop short of granting them full recognition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jabhad Posted March 15, 2007 ^^ Carry on talking your nonsense. Fifty years of 'force can liberate it' only managed to create fifty years of refugees and miserable Palestinians. Same old Haddad, same old pointless one-liners (I hoped the year away at that ‘other’ place would have improved you a little)! You have to admit, Palestinians are facing a resourcefull enemy backed by powerfull countries and we cannot be compare it to the newly independent countries such as Eritrea and their 30 year war against poor Ethiopia. Remember thousands of Eritreans returnees are back from Sudan to settle back their newly liberated country. And tell us, would you have said the samething to SNM rebels when the former dictator was bombing Hargeisa and other populated cities resulting thousands of civilians dead and many more fleeing to neighbouring countries? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted March 15, 2007 ^^ Heh.If it meant that my people will stay backwards, with no means to defeat their enemies and living under the mercy of other Arab states (that have their own interests and motives), my reply would be YES. Tell me what have those messages of war and fighting done other than cause more misery, poverty and hardship? Arafat realised it and sought peace not because he’s a traitor, loved the Israelis or was pressured by America. He did so because he saw how his people were slowly being obliterated from the face of the earth and how futile those proud gestures of defiance were. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ElPunto Posted March 15, 2007 AP GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - The rival Hamas and Fatah movements formed a long-elusive unity government Thursday, hoping to end bloody infighting and lead the Palestinians out of yearlong international isolation. Israel immediately said, however, that it would not deal with the new government. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070315/ap_on_re_mi_ea/palestinians_government_israel;_ylt=AnCB5T1yF4ziGS2_w.bq.SjMWM0F ---------------------------- It will be interesting to see what the Arabs will do now - given all their efforts on this unity govt. Good ol US of A faced with 2 allies that are butting heads. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fabregas Posted March 15, 2007 Nope i don't think this is it. I don't thik the Zionists want peace with Gentiles.For, they still believe every jew on this earth, has the right to remove a Palestinians from his house. If the world recognizes this policy, than there will never be peace in Palestine.Yaseer Arafat tried, what did he get in return? Nothing, thus he rejected the ridiclous conditions laid down to him at Camp David. The ironic thing about Hamas is that the Israelies supported them at first, when they were in opposition to Fatah. A bit like the American supporting the Taliban to get at the Soviets. Will the Israelies starve/annihilate the Palestinians into recognising their illegal occupation and the seizing of their land? I doubt it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted March 19, 2007 Back the Palestinian unity regime By Patrick Seale, Special to Gulf News The Palestine national unity government, which begins work today, has the huge task of providing its battered, besieged and famished people with security and the basics of a decent life. It must then attempt to persuade Israel to come to the table and negotiate a two-state solution to their ancient conflict. No one can honestly claim that its prospects are good. It faces two formidable obstacles: first, its internal cohesion remains fragile, with competition inevitably continuing between Fatah and Hamas. Last month the two parties were on the verge of all-out war. It will need time, skill and real goodwill for reconciliation to take hold. Secondly, Israel has denounced the new government as "a step backwards for peace prospects" and has launched an intense diplomatic campaign in Washington and Brussels to discredit the Makkah agreement of March 8 which brought Hamas and Fatah together, to undermine the new Palestinian government and to keep the international boycott of Hamas in place. The first problem is less serious than the second. Having had a taste in recent weeks of an incipient civil war, Fatah and Hamas are determined to stop the suicidal inter-Palestinian bloodshed. Unifying their ranks is their very first priority. Israel's priority, however, is the very opposite. It wants the Palestinians to fight each other and it will do everything possible, including resorting to its familiar black arts and to provocation by its army of informers, to set them against each other. It wants Fatah to destroy Hamas and drive it from power. It repeats its mantra that there can be "no compromise with terrorists", while seeking to persuade the world that its own violence - far more lethal than that of the Palestinians - is that of legitimate self-defence. If Israel is eventually forced to negotiate with the Palestinians - which it will do its utmost to avoid - it wants the Palestinians to be weak and divided rather than strong and united. Yet, if Israel were only to open its eyes to the enormous benefits of peace, the Palestinian national unity government could be the partner it truly needs and which it claims it does not have. Enforce ceasefire The new government has the muscle to bring about the release of Gilad Shalit, the Israeli soldier seized on the Gaza-Egyptian border; it can tame Islamic Jihad and other extremist factions; it can stop the firing of Qassam rockets from Gaza against Israeli towns in the Negev; it can enforce a real and long-term ceasefire if Israel stops its own punitive incursions and targeted killings; and above all it can ensure that any agreements reached with Israel will stick. Why then does Israel not welcome the new Palestinian government and seize its outstretched hand? Because it wants to deal with a defeated, not a resurgent, Palestinian movement; because it wants to impose its terms not to negotiate; because it labels any resistance to its 40-year old occupation as terrorism; above all, because it refuses to withdraw to anything like its 1967 borders, but instead wants to extend its colonisation of Palestinian land. Moreover, Israel is determined not to allow even a single Palestinian refugee back into Israel. The deadlock is therefore complete. It can only be broken by sustained intervention by the international community. To Israel's alarm, some European Union members and Russia have welcomed the new Palestinian government and have called on the world to recognise it and end the financial sanctions. In a brave gesture, France has invited the new Palestinian foreign minister, Ziad Abu Amar, to Paris. This seems to be the view of Norway, Spain, Italy and others. Britain - still under US and Israeli influence - is apparently only prepared to deal with Fatah and independent members of the new government, not with Hamas members - a pusillanimous and self-defeating attitude. What of the all-important American position? Israel's foreign minister Tsipi Livni rushed to Washington to make sure that the US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice did not stray from the earlier refusal to lift the embargo or deal with Hamas. She even persuaded Rice to call for "Arab-Israel reconciliation" before any peace process could begin. Livni herself, in a flight into the land of fantasy, called on the Arab states to normalise relations with Israel before the resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict! Rice is coming to the region in the coming days before the important Arab summit in Riyadh of March 28-29, which is expected to re-launch the March 2002 Arab peace initiative, which offered Israel peace and normalisation with all 22 members of the Arab league once it agreed to withdraw to the 1967 borders and committed itself to a "just and agreed upon solution of the refugee problem". Historic importance This document of historic importance offers Israel the chance of full, peaceful and secure integration into the region. The Palestine government has agreed to abide by Arab Summit resolutions - including the Arab Peace Initiative of the 2002 Beirut summit - as well as the two-state solution called for by the Palestinian National Council in 1988. The world will be watching whether Rice is now ready to endorse the Arab Peace Initiative and will urge Israel to negotiate on its basis. This will be the real test of her authority and independence. Patrick Seale is a commentator and author of several books on Middle East affairs. http://www.gulfnews.com/opinion/columns/region/10112053.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted March 25, 2007 Another Rice foray for peace Gulf News Once again US Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice arrives in the region for yet another undertaking at reviving peace talks between the Palestinians and the Israelis. But is there any ray of hope in the attempt? According to American officials, Rice is planning to 'urge' Arab leaders to reaffirm their support for the Arab League's peace initiative of 2002. Yet officials have also cautioned that expectations for a breakthrough should not be raised too high when it comes to the peace process. But the question here is not whether Arabs are supportive of the plan that they have initiated in the first place as they have consistently and repeatedly expressed their absolute support for a just and lasting peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis. Instead, the real obstacle is an Israeli stance that is resistant to the two-state solution and an American position that is blindly in support of it. In fact, it is Rice and the US administration that should not keep their hopes high for a positive outcome. As long as the real issues concerning the Palestinians are not addressed appropriately, the peace process will continue to be derailed. gulfnews.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taliban Posted March 25, 2007 The bottom line, the Zionist state cannot stay strong indefinitely. As the last war has shown, a few thousands Hezbollah fighters and 720 ICU mujahideens managed to defeat the Zionist state with all its might and full support from the sole superpower and the EU. So, Hamas and other legitimate Palestinian movements should model itself after Hezbollah and the ICU. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fabregas Posted March 25, 2007 Taliban, what? 720 i.c.u mujahideens in Lebanon? By the way, the Zionists are probably planning their third war with Hezbollah. These people do not take defeat lightly. Nasrallah probably knows they will come for him once again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alle-ubaahne Posted March 25, 2007 Originally posted by Taliban: The bottom line, the Zionist state cannot stay strong indefinitely. As the last war has shown, a few thousands Hezbollah fighters and 720 ICU mujahideens managed to defeat the Zionist state with all its might and full support from the sole superpower and the EU. So, Hamas and other legitimate Palestinian movements should model itself after Hezbollah and the ICU. I like this, ICU part of the struggle to liberate the people of lebonan from the enemy, lol. Without ICU, the world is in danger! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
