Last-ditch push over extending to 42 days: Terror vote

[Ibtisam]

Ministers are making last-ditch efforts to persuade rebel Labour MPs to back them in the crunch vote over extending the terror detention limit to 42 days.

 

With the vote "very, very tight" a fresh compensation deal for suspects held but not charged is being offered.

 

Minister Tony McNulty said that given Labour's recent difficulties it needed the vote "like a hole in the head".

 

Tory David Davis says opponents have won the argument, even if they do not win the vote due at about 1800 BST.

 

The Conservatives, Lib Dems and about 30 Labour MPs oppose the 42-day extension.

 

 

BBC

 

The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) disagrees. The chairman, Trevor Phillips said:

 

"We remain unpersuaded that the government has yet provided compelling evidence for what our legal advice shows would be an effective suspension of some human rights, and the wholesale alienation of a part of our community whose engagement is itself vital to the fight against terrorism."

 

 

 

Phillips is not the only one who disagrees; Kate Allen, the director for Amnesty International UK, wrote to backbench MP’s:

 

"I am not reassured by the Government's recent 'concessions".

 

The Home Secretary will now have to be satisfied that there is a 'grave and exceptional terrorist threat' before authorising an extension. This definition is sweepingly broad.

Parliament will debate and vote on the extension earlier than previously. However, this debate would be meaningless because of the risk of prejudicing future trials.

Finally, the Bill makes no provision for proper judicial safeguards.

 

 

What about Liberty? Their press release states:

 

The Government’s Counter-Terror Bill amendments are "cons", not concessions, and offer no safeguards for suspects who could be detained for up to six weeks and then released without charge.

 

[...]

 

"...Forty-two days detention without charge has not been transformed into the emergency power promised by Ministers. The policy is as dangerous as ever."

[Resistance]

and i wouuld have saught Brown will have taken a differetn approach to this. A defeat in this this is the last thing he needs since he is already running low on support.

[Paragon]

The man is getting desperate but he's likely to win the Tories say.

 

Having said so, I wouldn't be surprised if backbencher rebels, Corbyn and others manage to make this bill the end of Gordon.

 

Some police chiefs, human rights and race equality groups oppose this bill vehemently.

 

We shall see how Gordon and his cabinet fare this time around.

[Ibtisam]

So 42days it is for now. Damn that idoit brown.

 

I hope the lords reject this. :cool:

[Ibtisam]

Shame that BMF and those ****** "Muslim MPs" Supported it.

 

 

What I’m even more disgusted at is that Muslim organisations like BMF have supported this ridiculous idea.

“We support tough measures against terrorism and all forms of criminality as long as they are applied fairly and proportionately across all communities.” Guardian

 

Ok, nobody said there shouldn’t be tough measures against terrorism. Of course there should. Terrorism, suicide bombing, it’s all forbidden in Islam. But this is just preposterous! Britain already had the longest pre-charge detention period in the whole of Europe. Why would anyone support an idea like that?

 

"I am reassured that the safeguards proposed go a long way in protecting civil liberties.” The Telegraph

 

But, this motion, doesn’t protect our communities, it infringes your civil liberties. There are many human right groups that will be protesting this motion but I fail to understand why the BMF has supported it.

 

This motion has been put into place to specifically target Muslims. Once again it’s a case of one Muslim letting another down. Only this time round it’s not a single Muslim, it’s a whole organisation. BMF has a lot to answer for and they need to be held accountable. Khurshid Ahmed’s weasel-worded article in the Comment is Free section of The Guardian mysteriously changed its title three times in one day; firstly, “BMF Opposes 42 Day Detention” then “BMF Supports 42 day Detention” and finally “Supporting Tough Measures”.

 

Remember the BMF supports the neo-con Sufi Muslim Council and also backed the idea of Muslim students being spied upon. This latest act of betrayal did not go unnoticed by the some of the Islamophobic elements in the press. Both The Sun and the Daily Telegraph lauded the BMF’s craven position and this must not go unchallenged. The question left hanging in the air is what did the BMF receive in return and what are the leadership of the BMF up to?

 

The one question that has been answered is that we all now know what the “F” stands for in BMF.

[NGONGE]

Heh.

 

 

 

David Davis resigns from Commons

 

 

 

Shadow home secretary David Davis has resigned as an MP. He is to force a by-election in his Haltemprice and Howden constituency which he will fight on the issue of the new 42-day terror detention limit.

 

 

Mr Davis told reporters outside the House of Commons he believed his move was a "noble endeavour" to stop the erosion of British civil liberties.

 

The 59-year-old is one of the best known Tory MPs and his resignation came as a complete surprise in Westminster.

 

He told reporters outside the Commons: "I will argue in this by-election against the slow strangulation of fundamental British freedoms by this government."

 

BBC Political Editor Nick Robinson said it was an extraordinary move which was almost without precedent in British politics.

 

'Personal decision'

Shadow attorney general Dominic Grieve is to take over as shadow home secretary.

 

Asked about Mr Davis' resignation, Tory leader David Cameron said: "It was a personal decision, a decision he has made."

 

He said it was a "courageous" move and he hoped Conservatives would support Mr Davis's by-election campaign.

 

But he stressed the work of the shadow home secretary - on knife crime and other issues - "must go on" and he praised the man replacing him, Dominic Grieve, as a "star performer".

Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg, who also voted against 42 day detention, said his party would not be fielding a candidate in the by-election, after speaking to Mr Davis.

 

'Stunt'

Labour MP Denis MacShane said he was sure Mr Davis would win the by-election but added "I think this will be seen as a stunt" which showed the Conservatives were "utterly unfit" for government.

 

The former Europe Minister said he thought Mr Cameron had "cut the ground from under David Davis by not pledging to repeal 42 days" if the Tories won the next election.

But he said Mr Davis' decision to resign was "a bad day for Parliament" and said he did not personally think Labour should run a candidate against him in the by-election.

 

It has come to something when it takes the lone bravery of a Tory MP and the house of Lords to protect civil liberties in this country Peter Hearty, London

In his resignation statement, Mr Davis attacked the growth of the "database state," government "snooping" and the destruction of civil liberties.

 

"This cannot go on. It must be stopped and for that reason today I feel it is incumbent on me to make a stand," he told reporters.

"At least my electorate and the nation as a whole will have had the opportunity to debate and consider one of the most fundamental issues of our day - the ever intrusive power of the state into our lives, the loss of privacy, the loss of freedom and the steady attrition undermining the rule of law," he said.

 

Local party

Mr Davis' local party fully backed his decision, its chairman Duncan Gilmour said.

"David discussed early in the week what he would do if the result went against us last night.

"David is a man of principle and we fully back him," he said.

 

The Lib Dems had targeted the seat in 2005 as part of its ill-fated "decapitation" strategy to unseat key Tory figures but Mr Davis was re-elected with a 5,116 majority.

Nick Clegg said the party would fight the seat at the next general election but he said the "unnecessary and illiberal" 42 day proposal transcended party politics.

 

Story from BBC NEWS:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk_politics/7450627.stm

 

Published: 2008/06/12 13:12:27 GMT

 

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[Faarax-Brawn]

Originally posted by Ibtisam:

So 42days it is for now.

Damn that idoit brown.

 

What did i do now?

 

You know,speaking of G.Brown,L0L, the tory leader(whats his name? Smith?) is one mean mutha*&*!. I was watching one time the prime minister's question time and he said: "Look me in the eye,Mr Prime minister" & the entire back bench erupted with oos and laughter.

 

I guess,he deserved that. He just towed the line,he is no better than his old boss. He even appears worse than him, all his lies...Bloody fool.

[Ibtisam]

^^^Loool Hahah.

 

Just wanted some attention you, did you not?! Tory leader called Smith? :confused: HOW LONG ago was this??

[Faarax-Brawn]

Originally posted by Ibtisam:

^^^Loool Hahah.

 

Just wanted some attention you, did you not?!

Tory leader called Smith? :confused: HOW LONG ago was this??

L0L,I am thinking Ian Smith of course,hence the question mark. What is his name? I know it starts with a ,was it Carleton? :confused:

 

Seriously though,G/Brown has failed

[Paragon]

It was expected, almost. But what's up with D. Davies? Does he think this issue's popularity with the commons would also be the same with the voters?

 

He's gambling and he may pay for it dearly. Tories got balls lately, ma is tiraahdeen?

[Ibtisam]

^^^Only because Brown is doing so badly.

 

F.Brown, you are in a world of your own. But you really cannot talk. Here is your president

[Paragon]

^I agree with you for the first time.

 

PS: Lol@the link. Post Rory, Bremner, and Bird's version of Bush. They know how to take the micky of him, inventing and witty mispronunciations. LOl.

[Thierry.]

I don’t agree with this policy but for Gordon Brown this was a great victory, yes he might have bought his way to victory but lately everything the man touches was deemed a failure. So who knows this might be turn around for Gordon Brown.

[Ibtisam]

^^Are you kidding?? Him and his team bullied, bride, and begged to win by 9 Irish votes to borrow the metro words.

[chubacka]

:confused:

 

what kind of victory was that. He is so desperate its sad to watch.

 

I wonder how many promises he made to god knows who jst to win by a few votes.

 

bismillah talk about a bad premiership.

 

I am jst thinking what it would be like to live under a tory govt....