Massacre done by sections of SNM in Somaliland region remembered in Borama (4 February 1991)

[galbeedi]

Anyway, the people have moved on peace and co-existence created the current system, and despite its weaknesses people want to preserve the hard fought peace until something better replaces.

Rer Awdal dagaal ma rabaan wakhtigan , nabad iyo horumar ayey qaateen. 

I do not expect any instability in the west at the moment 

[Suldaanka]

@galbeedi

Sxb, nin wayn oo at least wax qiraya ayaan kuu haystay. Laakin sidii fish and chips kids ayaa wax uso qortay.

I am sorry. But hadii aanad runta ku dhiiran karin, malaha waxa fiican inaad beenta uu iska yaraysid.  

Kuwa Mogadishu ku so barbaaray, dhaqanka reer Waqooyiga ah ee in runta mar walba laga hadlo, waa hore ayu ka suulay. I think it is because of the Mogadishu waters that cause this abhorrent deterioration of morality. 

Anigu Koonfurta wixii ka dhacay, kuma dhaaran karo, because I get the info as a 3rd person or 4th person - as far as Somalis concerned, that reliability deteriorates very rapidly as the story is retold.

Wax walba indho adayg laguma dayo. 

[Suldaanka]

3 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

So, Suldaanka just called the good people of Awdal looters and genocidaires.

It wasn't just the Awdal folks that took their "once in a blue moon" chance, by lending their support with what they thought was one of the strogest Armed forces in Africa, (it was a good bet...). But also the Gabooye and other smaller clans took that same calculated risk.

Siyad Barre's regime left no stone unturned. They armed the O-clan Refugees, the Gabooye, the Awdalites. The only clan that is on the record that refused was the Issa clan of Djibouti.   

[Suldaanka]

By the way, there was never ever Ethiopian army crossed into Somaliland, in support of SNM or doing other independent operations. It never happened. 

The only time that I know they crossed was when the TPLF captured Addis Abeba. Some of the Amhara generals left the Somali Region and fled into Somaliland. They were refugees seeking political asylum. 

Borama waxa galay oo kaliya clan melitia from Jibriil Abakor of Gabiley. Yes, they did a lot bad things. It was purely a local clan doing revenge attack on their local foes. As soon as SNM central command learned about the operations, they call to it an end. 

If this was a pre-planned SNM program, Borama would have ended up like Baydhabo when Caydid moved his melitias there and occupied for years until Ethiopians came to dislodge him. 

Within 24 hours, the Jibriil Abakor melitia were told to move out of Borama because it was against the grand peace plans of the SNM.

[Che -Guevara]

This explains why secessionists have a siege mentality.

[galbeedi]

The Jibril Abokor were kept to Wajaale and Gabiley. They didn't come to this side. Some of them wherein the coast. The city was shelled by tanks. It is well known in Borama. The SNM entered a defenseless city ransacked and killed hundreds and then moved to Dila and burned the town. After that people organized. If we were filled with hatred or tribal revenge as you claim we would have asked arms from Siyaad Barre and organized a jabhad and could had murdered as many people as possible.  TheAWdal people were never given one single gun by Siyaad barre.  

We were by standards in the war waged by a tribe against the state. There were no major skirmishes until late 1988 when the SNM stormed Hargeisa and Burco. They were repulsed with huge civilian casualty..They were never a big threat until 1991. nothing major did happen until the SOMALI STATE COLLAPSEOF1991. THESE KILLINGS TOOK in early 1991. If we knew the state is going to collapse or organized by tribal hatred, we would have armed our selves., but we did not. 

I have never seen anyone single story in Awdal were someone or group went to murder innocent people. 

Stop this siege mentality that claims everyone was murdering us.

 

[Suldaanka]

23 minutes ago, Che -Guevara said:

This explains why secessionists have a siege mentality.

The Somali Gov't used the tax payers money to come up with a grand plan to defeat what it saw as a threat to its existence. And the local clans, having long held locally animosity jumped head first into the gov't pogroms. 

The result was the armament of anyone willing to fight for the gov't against the SNM clan. Anyone was enlisted from Somali Aabo (Oromo) to Gabooye and anything in between. This is not a mere fantasy, this is actually happened. 

[Suldaanka]

18 minutes ago, galbeedi said:

The Jibril Abokor were kept to Wajaale and Gabiley. They didn't come to this side. Some of them wherein the coast. The city was shelled by tanks. It is well known in Borama. The SNM entered a defenseless city ransacked and killed hundreds and then moved to Dila and burned the town. After that people organized. If we were filled with hatred or tribal revenge as you claim we would have asked arms from Siyaad Barre and organized a jabhad and could had murdered as many people as possible.  TheAWdal people were never given one single gun by Siyaad barre.  

We were by standards in the war waged by a tribe against the state. There were no major skirmishes until late 1988 when the SNM stormed Hargeisa and Burco. They were repulsed with huge civilian casualty..They were never a big threat until 1991. nothing major did happen until the SOMALI STATE COLLAPSEOF1991. THESE KILLINGS TOOK in early 1991. If we knew the state is going to collapse or organized by tribal hatred, we would have armed our selves., but we did not. 

I have never seen anyone single story in Awdal were someone or group went to murder innocent people. 

Stop this siege mentality that claims everyone was murdering us.

 

@galbeedi

You have been fed with lies. I have first hand information about this. You will need to come to Borama and you and I will talk to knowledgeable elders from Borama who actually took part in the peace making initiatives. 

These issues were discussed at great length during the peace conferences. 

This Ethiopian boogieman is just a phantom invention by diaspora folks, some who have never returned to mother country, like yourself. 

The Borama incident was nothing more than local clans fighting each other. Simple as that. Yes, death happened, the same way death is still taking place between localised clan fights.

Btw, Borama clan was one of the first clans to disarm all their local clans and incorporate into the Somaliland National Army. 

 

[Suldaanka]

31 minutes ago, galbeedi said:

We were by standards in the war waged by a tribe against the state. There were no major skirmishes until late 1988 when the SNM stormed Hargeisa and Burco. They were repulsed with huge civilian casualty..They were never a big threat until 1991. nothing major did happen until the SOMALI STATE COLLAPSEOF1991. THESE KILLINGS TOOK in early 1991. If we knew the state is going to collapse or organized by tribal hatred, we would have armed our selves., but we did not. 

80% of Siyad Barre's Army was stationed in Northern regions. By 1991, his army was nothing more than a shell of its former self. This didn't come from thin air, it was purely the defeat they got at the hands of the SNM. 

Within 3 years, the SNM achieved what other Armed movements  take 30 years to achieve. They actually whoopped the Somalia Armed forces behind bad.

The USC just marched into Mogadishu. The first notable resistance they met was in fact near the Villa Somalia building. 

We can also claim Mogadishu was defenceless.  

[galbeedi]

Suldaanka,

it is2019, let us talk about the future and leave behind the bad memories of 1991.

[galbeedi]

4 hours ago, Oodweyne said:

Oo wadar ayaa layskaga wada cafiyey. Ama si kale hadii loo yidhaahdo reer Awdal "labeenta" (ama "Qoor-weynta") ay taladeedu ka go'daa waa rag aan “gocasho” geed lahoos fadhiyin, maalinkan maanta ah.

Oo waa “rag-taleed” Somaliland-ta cusub qayb weyn ka ah (gaar ahaan utalinteeda, dhibteeda iyo nacfigeedaba). Waana rag, garasho-ahaan, “Nolosha Cusub Soo Dhaweeyey” (waa halkii Maxamed BK iyo Heestiisii aheyd “Soo Dhawoo Nolosha Cusub”

OOdweyne,

welcome back. 

Nolosha cusub ayaanu soo dhaweynaynaa. look to the future.

[Saalax]

Borama MP condemns youth arrested for remembering the Borama & Dilla massacre in Somaliland region.

DAAWO :-"Maalinta la Joojiyo Xuska SNM Ayaa la Joojindoona Xuska Xasuuqii Ay Ka Gaysatay Boorama Iyo Dila". Sidaas Waxaa Yiri Xilibaan Xayte Oo Si Adag Uga Hadlay Dhalinyarada Xukuumada Muuse Biixi Ku Xidh Xidhay Borama.
 

 

 

[Saalax]

6 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

This explains why secessionists have a siege mentality.

 

The worse part is the youth who remembered their killed relatives were arrested. Does that even make sense?  they are basically saying our dead can be remembered but not those of the Awdalites. That is a disrespect. 

[Suldaanka]

5 hours ago, Oodweyne said:

Arintan meesha kuqoran-na, waa iska “propaganda” la doonayo in SNM iyo magaceeda lagu burusheeyo, oo wax weyn maaha. Sababta oo ah qaar wali “cuqdad” qabo ayaa caruurtaas yar-yar soo kalifey oo wax weyn haka soo qaadina.

Cheapest form of propaganda. I would love to debate anyone on this topic. 

The SNM's history is very clear for anyone who studies it. It did a lot of extra ordinary things including taking 'peace' and 'forgiveness' when it could actually do what the USC did in the South. It opted to relinguish power and transfer it to civilians, when other movements around world are power hungry. 

They guaranteed equality for all, including leadership, when its peers were clan mafias. Case in point, its top braz were made up of many different clans including USC clans (before they branched off), (Southern D*R clans), Borama clans and **WAIT FOR IT*** even members from Sool clans. In fact, Garaad Jamac (the senior  Grand Garaad of Sool) came to Baligubadle when he saw the writing on the wall for Afwayne regime in 1989 and asked to join the Guurti which was then headed by Sheikh Ibrahim Shiekh Madar.  His inclusion in the Guurti was a catalyst that made sure the SNM didn't go into Buuhoodle or Sool region for revenge attacks. 

Borama and Laascaanood are the two regional capitals that people never got uprooted because of civilwar. And they were the two weakest towns that could have been ran over if the SNM had bad intentions, like the USC or other armed clan movements. 

Only a fool will try to muddy SNM's image, because SNM's stands head and shoulders above any other armed movement. 

 

[Saalax]

War @galbeedi meeshii yareed ee qoysland wayba walatay kooxihi Abdi Iley ba ka dilaacay.