Villa Somalia is happy, only Madoobe left

[Suldaanka]

7 minutes ago, Duufaan said:

It is interesting that you’re defending Madoobe. You must be Biixi block that control Berbera corridor and benefit it brings.

I am not defending Madoobe. Just stating my take on his situation there. You do not have to support someone to state the obvious.

With regards to Biixi block. Not too sure what that supposed to mean. 

[Che -Guevara]

1 hour ago, Suldaanka said:

 

Jubbaland is a very complex place and he is ruling there by iron fist. 

I don't know how much you know about Juba. The man only controls Kismayo which is temporary capital. Not even his entire sub-clan supports him.

[Suldaanka]

17 minutes ago, Che -Guevara said:

I don't know how much you know about Juba. The man only controls Kismayo which is temporary capital. Not even his entire sub-clan supports him.

Kismayo is the prized jewell of Jubbaland. Without Kismaio, it is like "if you scream in space, no one can hear you..." which is how folks from Gedo are feeling.

By the time Kenyans leave, Ahmed Madoobe will be a top dog in that region. And by hook or crook  he will try to stay in power until someone with bigger toys knocks on his doors. 

 

[Che -Guevara]

It's top prize inhabited by every clan who could make him all sorts of trouble. Besides, any possible replacement will be a different branch from his clan just like Sharif and Gas.

[Old_Observer]

Don't count the chickens before they are hatched:

 

The new president of Puntland Saeed Deni has revealed that the co-operation of the regional state will remain and will not change.

Deni, who was interviewed by the BBC, said the country's constitution states that the regional administrations should cooperate and work their interests, and that whatever the constitution states will happen.

The new President of Puntland has already indicated that the establishment of the National Constituent Assembly in 2017 will not change, as expected.

[Che -Guevara]

Your  sources  are wrong and Juba is no elsewhere. 

[Che -Guevara]

Well one  thing is true, it's inevitable every Somali leader will meet same fate.

[Samafal]

Ilaa shalay waxaan maqlayaa two down, one left etc Then what?

Ilaan aduunja ciyaal indho la'aan wax supportgaraynaya baa ugu daran. War Farmajo with Gaas or no Gaas, Madoobe or no Madoobe is a failure. Almost in third year and did not even fire one bullet towards Al shabab. They are more stronger than before he came and even bolder in their attacks. 

This country needs instituitions built on strong system that all factions agree upon. One or two mens dictatorial tendencies won't work. It did not work for Siad and it will not work for anyone else. So people should stop concentrating on personalities, it is childish.

[The Zack]

The issue with Somali leaders is they start campaigning for next elections as soon as they are elected. Hassan Sheikh did it and failed.  Farmaajo is following his footsteps and will probably fail unless he changes his strategies soon.  

[Tillamook]

I don’t see what the fuss is all about.

Unfortunately Farmaajo and Kheyre, like most inept and myopic Somali politicians who look out for their own political longevity, have every right to wait out the elections of the Federal member states and help get politicians favorable to their political ambitions elected. They have used some borrowed financial muscle in some instances and military force in other cases,  to help out politicians whom they feel will aid them at the regional level in their bid to get re-elected in the next national elections. This should be understandable and expected, after all  the saying goes” gaal dil gartiisana sii..”, however, whether or not they will succeed in this endeavor is a different question all together, as I plan to show y’all in here.

Let us quickly discuss their successes and failures at winning over the Federal member states so far.

Take Galmudug for instance, where we seem to have a temporary stalemate brewing. Clearly the Xaaf administration has dug itself in a somewhat formidable redoubt so far and has mustered enough support locally to wait out Farmajo and  Kheyre  advances until the duo leave office in the next election.

In Jubaland: President Axmad has the upper hand politically —although he still has an election to campaign for—and what better way to take a step closer to a re-election than liberating the State capital of Bu’ale.

Naturally Farmaajo’s desperate attempts to muddy up this —much awaited for—liberation of the state capital using a very poorly thought out strategy of fanning up the dying embers of tribalism in Jubaland are doomed to fail, and it is President Axmed’s ball to drop in this political tangle and tussle with the Farmajo administration.

Now let’s move to the so-called successes that supporters of the Farmajo and Kheyre administration keep ululating and cheering for: HirShabelle and SouthWest states.

In Southwest State where Farmaajo and Kheyre, after forcefully and shamefully suppressing the will of the local population there seem to have succeeded thus far  in getting their man selected into the presidency in Baidoa, but any right thinking individual will know that this is nothing more than Pyrrhic victory for Farmajo and Kheyre and sooner or later it will miserably backfire on them; for the people of Southwest State of Somalia now have a legitimate grievance that can only be placated by resistance and defiantly showing all Somalis that they will not be cowed by anybody and that they are more than capable of freely determining  their own political destiny. Thus, Lafta-Gareen’s presidency is on shaky ground and risks becoming stillborn unless he is willing to submit to the will of the people of the Southwest State and not Xamar politicians.

Moving on to HirShaballe State: We all know that  the then new president, Waare, quickly threw in the towel when the first political shots were exhanged with Farmajo& Co due to lack of enough resources and local support—and in my opinion, he made the right choice at that time,  seeing his colleagues in the other federal member states all had their own hands full fending off the Farmajo and Kheyre incursion into their own respective states, when he wisely decided not to put up fight, bend the knee, bid his time and live to fight another day.

Needless to say, whether he played his cards right or not will ultimately be decided by how well or how quickly he is able to gather up enough local support and resources to finally give the Farmajo administration its desserts( the proverbial middle finger, as it where) and set HirShabelle State on its own autonomous federal path. On the other hand, he might not, and he may choose to remain content keeping HirShabelle State a vassal of national government politicians in Xamar who as we know come and go.

In the end,  when all is said and done, the will of the people of HirShabelle shall determine whether subservience to Xamar politicians or to charting their own course is the way to go—for only they know truly where their real interests lie.

Finally, to my beloved Puntland.

To anyone who wants to suggest that the free and fair election that just took place in Garowe(where an incumbent President lost the election and a new president took his place)  was somehow masterminded by Farmajo&Co — or for that matter any other non-Puntland entity—and is somehow beneficial to the administration in Xamar or some other non-Puntland entity,  is either an unfortunate dolt with no discerning qualities whatsoever or just plain high on something.

Puntland as the oldest Federal member state and leading champion of the federalisation of Somalia has deep rooted institutions that are more than capable of withstanding any political storms let alone  the petty shenanigans of Farmajo& Co brought on by their desperation to gain political support inside the Federal member states before the next federal elections.

The new President of Puntland, Mudane Saciid Deni, took an oath to uphold the constitution of Puntland, and I like all other Puntlanders have the full confidence  and expectation that he has the will and wherewithal to do just that. In short, my fellow SOLers, nothing has changed; Cabdiwali has gone and now Deni is in, just as previously, we had Faroole, Cade and others before them, yet the might and beautiful Puntland  juggernaut remains unstoppable.

Puntland’s course is set and the destination is a free and thriving Federal Somalia, therefore to those of you who wish Puntland to become chartless and rudderless, I’m gonna leave you with this... keep wishing on haters

[Peace Action]

18 minutes ago, Tillamook said:

I don’t see what the fuss is all about.

Unfortunately Farmaajo and Kheyre, like most inept and myopic Somali politician who look out for their own political longevity  have every right to wait out the elections of the respective Federal member states and to see how things play themselves and maybe help out financial in some cases(militarily, in others) politicians whom they feel will aid them at the regional level in their bid to get re-elected in the next national elections. This should be understandable and expected, after all  the saying goes” gaal dil gartiisana dill..”, whether or not they will succeed in this endeavor is a different question all together, as I plan to show y’all in here.

Let us quickly discuss their successes and failures at winning over the Federal member states so far.

Take Galmudug for instance, where we seem to have a temporary stalemate brewing. Clearly the Xaaf administration has dug itself in a somewhat formidable redoubt so far and has mustered enough support locally to wait out Farmajo and  Kheyre  advances until the duo leave office in the next election.

In Jubaland: President Axmad has the upper hand politically —although he still has an election to campaign for—and what better way to take a step closer to a re-election than liberating the State capital of Bu’ale.

Naturally Farmaajo’s desperate attempts to muddy up this —much awaited for—liberation of the state capital using a very poorly thought out strategy of fanning up the dying embers of tribalism in Jubaland is doomed to fail, and it is President Axmed ball to drop in this political tangle and tussle with the Farmajo administration.

Now let’s move to the so-called successes that supporters of the Farmajo and Kheyre administration keep ululating and cheering for: HirShabelle and SouthWest states.

In Southwest State where Farmaajo and Kheyre, after forcefully and shamefully suppressing the will of the local population there seem to have succeeded thus far  in getting their man selected into the presidency in Baidoa, but any right thinking individual will know that this is nothing more than Pyrrhic victory for Farmajo and Kheyre and sooner or later it will miserably backfire on them; for the people of Southwest State of Somalia now have a legitimate grievance that can only be placated by resistance and defiantly showing all Somalis that they will not be cowed by anybody and that they are more than capable of freely determining  their own political destiny. Thus, Lafta-Gareen’s presidency is on shaky ground and risks becoming stillborn unless he is willing to submit to the will of the people of the Southwest State and not Xamar politicians.

Moving on to HirShaballe State: We all know that  the then new president, Waare, quickly threw in the towel when the first political shots were exhanged with Farmajo& Co due to lack of enough resources and local support—and in my opinion, he made the right choice at that time,  seeing his colleagues in the other federal member states all had their own hands full fending off the Farmajo and Kheyre incursion into their own respective states, when he wisely decided not to put up fight, bend the knee, bid his time and live to fight another day.

Needless to say, whether he played his cards right or not will ultimately be decided by how well or how quickly he is able to gather up enough local support and resources to finally give the Farmajo administration its desserts( the proverbial middle finger, as it where) and set HirShabelle State on its own autonomous Federal path. Or on the other hand, he might not, and he may choose to remain content keeping HirShabelle State a vassal of national government politicians in Xamar who as we know come and go. In the end,  when all is said and done, the will of the people of HirShabelle shall determine whether subservience to Xamar politicians or to charting their own course for only they know truly where their real interests lie.

Finally, to my beloved Puntland.

To anyone who wants to suggest that the free and fair election that just took place in Garowe(where an incumbent President lost the election and new president took his place)  was somehow masterminded by Farmajo&Co and is therefore beneficial to the administration in Xamar in particular is either an unfortunate dolt with no discerning qualities or just plain high on something.

Puntland as the oldest Federal member state and leading champion of the federalisation of Somalia has deep rooted institutions that are more than capable of withstanding any political storms let alone  the petty shenanigans of Farmajo& Co brought on by their desperation to gain political support in the Federal member states before the next federal elections.

The new President of Puntland, Mudane Saciid Deni, took an oath to uphold the constitution of Puntland, and I like all other Puntlanderd have the full confidence  and expectation that he has the will and wherewithal to do just that. In short, my fellow SOLers, nothing has changed; Cabdiwali has gone and now Deni is in, just as previously, we had Faroole, Cade and others before them, yet the night and beautiful Puntland  juggernaut remains unstoppable.

Puntland’s course is set and the destination is a free and thriving Federal Somalia, therefore to those of who wish Puntland chartless and rudderless, I’m gonna leave you with this... keep wishing on haters

Agreed. Those who are hoping or wishing centralized administration from Mogadishu will be disappointed. There are two major obstacles facing the Federal government. 1- Alshabaab 2. Amisom.  Farmaajo and Khayre need to keep their eyes on the prize of defeating Alshabaab and removing Amisom and all foreign troops from the South. Unless they accomplish these two objectives, their authority will be limited.

[Samafal]

4 hours ago, Tillamook said:

I don’t see what the fuss is all about.

Unfortunately Farmaajo and Kheyre, like most inept and myopic Somali politicians who look out for their own political longevity, have every right to wait out the elections of the Federal member states and help get politicians favorable to their political ambitions elected. They have used some borrowed financial muscle in some instances and military force in other cases,  to help out politicians whom they feel will aid them at the regional level in their bid to get re-elected in the next national elections. This should be understandable and expected, after all  the saying goes” gaal dil gartiisana sii..”, however, whether or not they will succeed in this endeavor is a different question all together, as I plan to show y’all in here.

Let us quickly discuss their successes and failures at winning over the Federal member states so far.

Take Galmudug for instance, where we seem to have a temporary stalemate brewing. Clearly the Xaaf administration has dug itself in a somewhat formidable redoubt so far and has mustered enough support locally to wait out Farmajo and  Kheyre  advances until the duo leave office in the next election.

In Jubaland: President Axmad has the upper hand politically —although he still has an election to campaign for—and what better way to take a step closer to a re-election than liberating the State capital of Bu’ale.

Naturally Farmaajo’s desperate attempts to muddy up this —much awaited for—liberation of the state capital using a very poorly thought out strategy of fanning up the dying embers of tribalism in Jubaland are doomed to fail, and it is President Axmed’s ball to drop in this political tangle and tussle with the Farmajo administration.

Now let’s move to the so-called successes that supporters of the Farmajo and Kheyre administration keep ululating and cheering for: HirShabelle and SouthWest states.

In Southwest State where Farmaajo and Kheyre, after forcefully and shamefully suppressing the will of the local population there seem to have succeeded thus far  in getting their man selected into the presidency in Baidoa, but any right thinking individual will know that this is nothing more than Pyrrhic victory for Farmajo and Kheyre and sooner or later it will miserably backfire on them; for the people of Southwest State of Somalia now have a legitimate grievance that can only be placated by resistance and defiantly showing all Somalis that they will not be cowed by anybody and that they are more than capable of freely determining  their own political destiny. Thus, Lafta-Gareen’s presidency is on shaky ground and risks becoming stillborn unless he is willing to submit to the will of the people of the Southwest State and not Xamar politicians.

Moving on to HirShaballe State: We all know that  the then new president, Waare, quickly threw in the towel when the first political shots were exhanged with Farmajo& Co due to lack of enough resources and local support—and in my opinion, he made the right choice at that time,  seeing his colleagues in the other federal member states all had their own hands full fending off the Farmajo and Kheyre incursion into their own respective states, when he wisely decided not to put up fight, bend the knee, bid his time and live to fight another day.

Needless to say, whether he played his cards right or not will ultimately be decided by how well or how quickly he is able to gather up enough local support and resources to finally give the Farmajo administration its desserts( the proverbial middle finger, as it where) and set HirShabelle State on its own autonomous federal path. On the other hand, he might not, and he may choose to remain content keeping HirShabelle State a vassal of national government politicians in Xamar who as we know come and go.

In the end,  when all is said and done, the will of the people of HirShabelle shall determine whether subservience to Xamar politicians or to charting their own course is the way to go—for only they know truly where their real interests lie.

Finally, to my beloved Puntland.

To anyone who wants to suggest that the free and fair election that just took place in Garowe(where an incumbent President lost the election and a new president took his place)  was somehow masterminded by Farmajo&Co — or for that matter any other non-Puntland entity—and is somehow beneficial to the administration in Xamar or some other non-Puntland entity,  is either an unfortunate dolt with no discerning qualities whatsoever or just plain high on something.

Puntland as the oldest Federal member state and leading champion of the federalisation of Somalia has deep rooted institutions that are more than capable of withstanding any political storms let alone  the petty shenanigans of Farmajo& Co brought on by their desperation to gain political support inside the Federal member states before the next federal elections.

The new President of Puntland, Mudane Saciid Deni, took an oath to uphold the constitution of Puntland, and I like all other Puntlanders have the full confidence  and expectation that he has the will and wherewithal to do just that. In short, my fellow SOLers, nothing has changed; Cabdiwali has gone and now Deni is in, just as previously, we had Faroole, Cade and others before them, yet the might and beautiful Puntland  juggernaut remains unstoppable.

Puntland’s course is set and the destination is a free and thriving Federal Somalia, therefore to those of you who wish Puntland to become chartless and rudderless, I’m gonna leave you with this... keep wishing on haters

Well said. Anyone who thinks Puntland will be submissive then isten to Deni's interview on BBC Somali. He basically said business will be as usual.

Next Federal Member states meeting will be in Dhuuso Mareeb and even Laftagareen might want to attend. Afterall, Farmajo term is nearing end, so might want to make new alliances and brand new friends.

[galbeedi]

On 1/9/2019 at 10:18 PM, Peace Action said:

Farmaajo and Khayre need to keep their eyes on the prize of defeating Alshabaab and removing Amisom and all foreign troops from the South. Unless they accomplish these two objectives

After four years that will be the barometer Somalis will judge on this government. C/weli has done more projects than any other leader in Puntland, yet he didn't make major reforms in terms of institutions and government. He had over fifty minister just like the 70 in Mogadishu in order to satisfy the special interest groups.

We said it was better to reform the system and allow people and especial interest groups to hate you  , but achieve something and become one term president.  despite what me may thing the locals, they  are clever. They will eventually push  you to the sewage and once you enter, " Waxay ku dhihi ka dabaalo"

Nothing will matter unless you leave the fortified compound guarded by Amisom and travel to Balcad and Marka freely. I do not for see any changes at the moment. 

On the other hand, I do not believe that Ahmed Madoobe is the same case as others. In Puntland and South West there was elections by the people and those leaders were elected by the people without the barrel of the gun. 

This Madoobe guy came in with the Kenyan tank and personally forced everyone to say, Yes. He picked himself the fake parliament of Jubbaland. If there is any chance of fairness he must allow to seat a new parliament that is picked by the elders without gun in their head. 

Che,

Why are you saying just like Puntland and S.West another Madoobe clan group should be the leader. Remind you that they are not the only one that could lead. A Gedo man , A Water maal man or anyone from other clans can become a president.

Waxay rabaan in ay nagu sharciyeeyaan Reer hebel ayuunbaa halkaa hogaamin. Guys this not Puntland, it is as diverse as you can get.

I do believe that Madoobe will leave when the Kenyans leave.

[Tillamook]

14 hours ago, galbeedi said:

After four years that will be the barometer Somalis will judge on this government. C/weli has done more projects than any other leader in Puntland, yet he didn't make major reforms in terms of institutions and government. He had over fifty minister just like the 70 in Mogadishu in order to satisfy the special interest groups.

We said it was better to reform the system and allow people and especial interest groups to hate you  , but achieve something and become one term president.  despite what me may thing the locals, they  are clever. They will eventually push  you to the sewage and once you enter, " Waxay ku dhihi ka dabaalo"

Nothing will matter unless you leave the fortified compound guarded by Amisom and travel to Balcad and Marka freely. I do not for see any changes at the moment. 

On the other hand, I do not believe that Ahmed Madoobe is the same case as others. In Puntland and South West there was elections by the people and those leaders were elected by the people without the barrel of the gun. 

This Madoobe guy came in with the Kenyan tank and personally forced everyone to say, Yes. He picked himself the fake parliament of Jubbaland. If there is any chance of fairness he must allow to seat a new parliament that is picked by the elders without gun in their head. 

Che,

Why are you saying just like Puntland and S.West another Madoobe clan group should be the leader. Remind you that they are not the only one that could lead. A Gedo man , A Water maal man or anyone from other clans can become a president.

Waxay rabaan in ay nagu sharciyeeyaan Reer hebel ayuunbaa halkaa hogaamin. Guys this not Puntland, it is as diverse as you can get.

I do believe that Madoobe will leave when the Kenyans leave.

The issue here is not whether Axmad Madoobe should stay or go, but rather how he goes is important as well. It seems his opponents have got blinders on and don’t seem to care about throwing the baby with the bath water, as it were.

I believe the way they are going about it is all wrong, and sooner or later they will realize their folly the hard way, for they risk returning Jubaland  back to the unending tribal conflicts of yesteryears.

 

[Dabrow]