Dhismihii iyo Mashaariicdii KACAANKA

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Maakhir afweyne was a communist socialist dictatorial leader sure he did some iskauqabso projects. Agriculture and we expanded the banana  export. His regime did so much damage Italian Somalia alone is recovering from his cuqubo till this very day. He ruined the Somali military with the  war with Ethiopia. Wuxuu kharibay babaddan wuxu  than wuxu wanaajiyey

[gooni]

Suldaan awoowe khamriga, jaadka iyo geerashaynta dhaqan siyaad barre ka horeeyay buu ahaa oo gumaystihii hore uga tagay soomaalida.

Usoo noqo mowduuca

Shiinuhu berigaas ma muslin buu ahaa?

Muxuu sadaqo ula bixi waayay siyaad barre ka dib?

Siyaad barre qudhiisu muxuu mashaariicda ula doontay waqooyi, bari iwm, oo uu garbahaarey iyo gedo oo beeshiisu degto u hareer mariyay?

Mise dadka sadaqada bixiya ayagaa dooran jiray meeshay dhisayaan?

Warshadihii uu dhisay way shaqaynayeen markuu muqdisho ka baxay hal guri ah kama dunsanayn soomaaliya nalku waa shidnaa

Tii caanha,

Tii hilibka

Tii taraqqa iyo sigaarka

Tii tamaandhada itop

Tii mooska somalita  

Tii dharka  

Tii baastada

Tii sonkorta

Tii kaluunka

Tii daawada

Tii barafuunka

Tii rinjiga

Tii sibirka

Tii kabista

Tii korontada

Tii hargaha iyo saamaha, iyo kuwo kaloo badan.

Ma garanaysaa warshadahaasu goboladay ku yaaleen iyo waxtarkay u lahaayeen bulshada?

Mashruucyada warkooda daa kan biyo celinta, kii bariiska la dagaalka dullinka, bacaad celinta, horumarinta reer miyiga, la dagaalanka ayaxa iyo dullinka lamasoo koobi karo.

Nabad gelyo caafimaad lacag la'aan ah  wax barasho lacag la'aana ilaa jaamacad

Dalxiiska iyo ilaalinta duur joogta.

Wasaarado tayo leh, makala garan kartaa wasaaradihii wax soo saarka lahaa iyo kuwii canshuurta lagu kabi jiray?

Ma joogtay markii diyaaradaha miyigga burco loogasoo qaadayay dad iyo xoolo caato ah abaartii daba dheer ilaa dajuuma sablaale qoryoolay si ay biyo iyo baad u helaan.

Taariikhdaas wali snm makaaga sheekaysay?

Suurto gal ma'ahan inaad Australia jalaato ku dhuuqdo adoo ka rradan taariikhda fiican ee dalkaaga

Ma dhooftay berigaas oo shisheeye ma u sheegtay dalka aad ka timid?

Beesha aqoonsiga aad la doonayso mashruuc digaaga lagu xanaaneeyo ma samayn karaan sodon sano oo ay nabad gelyo jaad ku cunayeen.

Markii lasoo koobo warkayga.

Suurta gal noqon mayso in lays barbar dhigo, ood amxaar jiiday xaabo ka daatay,   iyo geed qurux badan oo xiddidkiisu fogaa, hooskiisana, wali la harsado.

 

[galbeedi]

 

The economic decline and inflation had  started with IMF in 1982, and decimated the economy and brought huge corruption. I am not fan of those marches in the "Trabuunka" because , as one of those who marched there more than three or four times, it was always forced on the people.

The Somalia of 1980 was proud and rising. A French anthropologist said in 1980 that Somalia would join the middle income developed nations in the year 2000, or it will disappear due to internal problems that could explode.

Yet, with new technologies and know how, and after almost thirty years, the peaceful Somali administrations of today including Somaliland couldn't build one single major hospital, one major high school with hundreds of students or any significant life changing project. They couldn't build 25% of what the Kacaan did.

Leaders are usually judged after time lapses of thirty or forty years. Both their misdeeds and national achievements take shape. The October revolution had touched Somalis socially, culturally and economically like no any other administration. We might never get back the prestige of the nation we destroyed.

As a young teenage boy  in the middle of eighties , I have never feared or ever thought of foreign military taking over Somalia. We were proud while others feared from us taking them over.  I have never thought Somali clans taking the ownership of major centers like the national capital. 

Weligay kama fakirin Muqdishu cid baa kaa xigta, waxaan ahaa Muwaadin jooga caasimidiisi.

The worst legacy of the late years of the Kacaan was the destruction of institutions, meritocracy and standards. I went for government scholarship in late eighties and only three of us among the twenty were able to sit in the class, the rest were unqualified students sent through nepotism, and today, that culture is alive and well throughout the Somali administered regions including Djibouti. More than half of the students sent for scholarship in Turkey had left for " Tahriib" to Europe because they couldn't get in to thre classes even though the Turkish state paid their four year tuitions.

 

[galbeedi]

Judgment means comparing those who followed. While those who came before him were founding fathers and democrats who paved the way for him, those who came after him were weak in terms of leadership.

From Cali Mahdi to Farmaajo, what we got were not presidents but pretenders who are satisfied being supervisors in their own land.

[Suldaanka]

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The Somalia of 1980 was proud and rising.

Habartii docdii ay ku noolayd, daadku ugu so galay

dadkii inu wada helay mooday, oo daad wararac bay tidhi...

 

If you were in Mogadishu, that could have been true, because you were dining and wining and licking the icecream from your elbows. But if you were anywhere but Mogadishu, then that is absolutely a pipe-dream. 

I am sure you were happly welcoming Radio Banadir's famous broadcasting regarding regional football tournament between Hargeisa and Burco in 1988,  when the facts on the ground were the stuff of nightmare. Both Burco and Hargeisa were smouldering like Nuclear hit with the air thick with decomposing bodies.  

On the contrary, Somalia of the 1980s was on its last legs. 

 

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The worst legacy of the late years of the Kacaan was the destruction of institutions, meritocracy and standards. 

Everything that is wrong with Somalia/Somaliland can be traced right back to the dictatorial regime. From interclan wars, to border issues (clan borders), to corruption, to Qaad, Qabyaalad, Qudhun... everything.  

[Suldaanka]

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Tii caanha,

Tii hilibka

Tii taraqqa iyo sigaarka

Tii tamaandhada itop

Tii mooska somalita  

Tii dharka  

Tii baastada

Tii sonkorta

Tii kaluunka

Tii daawada

Tii barafuunka

Tii rinjiga

Tii sibirka

Tii kabista

Tii korontada

 

Most of these are from donations by biliteral donor countries and Development Agencies. Even in military terms, the bileteral training and equipment provided by USSR/USA and others including Arab countries (Egypt, Iraq, Syria etc), can be said were the army's backbone. Mogadishu Port, Kismaio Port, Berbera Port were all funded by global powers at one stage or another. 

The question comes back, 21 years of rule what can you attribute from locally collected taxation. The only thing I can think of the Education system in the mid 1970s. In the 1980s the education system in Somaliland was on its knees, schools without roofs, sanitation issue, demoralised teachers and student protesting from injustice and heavy militarisation of city streets.

The whole economy of Somalia was based on livestock and by 1980s when things got bad in Somaliland, that industry came to standstill which eventually caused the stagnation of economy of the whole country. By late 1980s, Afwayne regime was broke.  

[maakhiri1]

29 minutes ago, Suldaanka said:

In the 1980s the education system in Somaliland was on its knees, schools without roofs, sanitation issue, demoralised teachers and student protesting from injustice and heavy militarisation of city

The whole economy of Somalia was based on livestock and by 1980s when things got bad in Somaliland, that industry came to standstill which eventually caused the stagnation of economy of the whole country. By late 1980s, Afwayne regime was broke.  

I agree, with most of what you said,  very broke and corrupted at the end, still I was in primary, free education till tertiary for all Somalis, free books, includimg exercise books, and pens, free basic health care, complete and working currriculum entire country, no jahwareer like today

is there any single free school in SL? today? or free health? dad sariirta lagu xiray si ay bixiyaan waxa lagu leeyahay ama banaanka loo soo tuuray ma aragtey.

Dhakhtarkii ugu aqoonta badnaa SL, Gaboose,  hospital ka furay Hargaisa, waxuu yiri waxaa loogu talagalay haldoor iyo ninkii wax haysta!! rumeeeyso ama ha rumeeysan, dhakhtarka waxaa la dhahaa haldoor!

Nin aan bini aadam mahadin, Alle ma mahadsho, Duqa waa iska xijaaban lahaa, Soomaali alloow qaylo iyo dhib noo yeeri,iyadoo wax khaldan jiro, nimco dhex dabaalanaaya,  bay gacmahoodii dhib ku raadsadeen, Alle waa ka ajiibey, He could have easily been replaced like Hosni, or other African dictators!! Dadka badankiisuna waa arkaa khaladkii Somali gacmaheed ku galeen, wax yar mooyee oo weli isla saxsan ama nacayb Qabiil indha tirey.

[maakhiri1]

Have you noticed students just gratuated from high school, and can not write basic Somali? Uuladii Xukunkii Siyaad ka horeeyso!!!!!

Suldaanka, waxbaradhadu maaha isluulka musqushiisa xun, dhismahaa dunsanaa, waa tayada macalimiinta! iyo manhaj/curriculum wanaagsan

[galbeedi]

The education system was okay until late eighties. What I am referring wasn’t about quality of the education which still produced good students, but the extend of the corruption of the elite to send their kids and others while knowing full well none of their people were up to the standards. 

Until the end , the quality of the Somali students and people in general were high caliber compared to today or later years. Imagine a BBC or Radio Mogadishu broadcaster reading an English text with Somali language on air before the Somali language was  written. Today, most of the Somali journalists couldn’t even read Somali texts on the air properly. 

Thiose generations were proud and deep down they thought they could compete with anyone around the world. Still even today, the desire to learn and excel exists among Somali youth everywhere, but are hindered by corrupt officials who take bribes and keep out the bright ones from succeeding.

Some people were thinking that the only dictatorship in the region was Siyad Barre. Military, communist and authoritarian regimes  around the world take their time and disappear when things change either by events or history. Opposition is not allowed and talking the gun against them was impossible. Other than from inside, does anyone ever thought of changing the Soviet Union with an army or insurgency?  No it was impossible. 

Mubaarak of Egypt came 1981 and left 30 years after the Arab spring, Daniel Moi of Kenya came1978 and left  25 years after elections and wind of change touched the country. The whole region was run by one man rule. No one have ever though of replacing Mubaarak  , Qadaafi or Arab Moi with armed insurgency  in the seventies or early eighties. Only a Somali “ Madax Faluuq” who never thinks about time and space would indulge those kind of thoughts. 

Replacing Siyad Barre or regime change in Somali in 1985 meant destroying all of Somalia from Zaylac to Kismaayo. Tthere were no other ways. 

The angry tribes put aside of everything and were hell bent of destroying the country for good and let  the chips fall where they may. 

Reer miyigu warsabaha Marla at rabaan in ay qabtaan waxa ay dibeda ugu xidhaan Waxar yar gebtina ( trap) way ku xidhaan marku waxarta qaado yidhaahdana way ku soo dhacda. Mengistu, sida waxarta ayuu ku yidhi jabhadihii orda I Siyaadw soo qabta, Markay qabteena gurigii baa ku kor  dumay. 

In those days, the system was designed as whole. In order to change the regime you must destroy all of Somalia, and despite the dire consequences, they went ahead. 

Sodon sano ayaa Kay soo wareegtay welina sidii diinkii dhaanka loo diray ee la sugayey in uu reerka soo waraabiyo, ee yidhi hadda ayaan albaaka ka sii baxaya. 

[Suldaanka]

9 hours ago, maakhiri1 said:

I agree, with most of what you said,  very broke and corrupted at the end, still I was in primary, free education till tertiary for all Somalis, free books, includimg exercise books, and pens, free basic health care, complete and working currriculum entire country, no jahwareer like today

is there any single free school in SL? today? or free health? dad sariirta lagu xiray si ay bixiyaan waxa lagu leeyahay ama banaanka loo soo tuuray ma aragtey.

Dhakhtarkii ugu aqoonta badnaa SL, Gaboose,  hospital ka furay Hargaisa, waxuu yiri waxaa loogu talagalay haldoor iyo ninkii wax haysta!! rumeeeyso ama ha rumeeysan, dhakhtarka waxaa la dhahaa haldoor!

Nin aan bini aadam mahadin, Alle ma mahadsho, Duqa waa iska xijaaban lahaa, Soomaali alloow qaylo iyo dhib noo yeeri,iyadoo wax khaldan jiro, nimco dhex dabaalanaaya,  bay gacmahoodii dhib ku raadsadeen, Alle waa ka ajiibey, He could have easily been replaced like Hosni, or other African dictators!! Dadka badankiisuna waa arkaa khaladkii Somali gacmaheed ku galeen, wax yar mooyee oo weli isla saxsan ama nacayb Qabiil indha tirey.

All of Somaliland's public schools have been free for all school age kids for a longtime now.  However, the quality of the public schools are not that great . The reasons are many but the main ones are that the gov't pays public school teachers much lower than their private counterparts hence all good teachers move to the privately owned institutions which has flourished.

If you compare the privately owned institutions to pre-1991, they are better or on bar. 

With regards to healthcare, from 1980s onwards the health care in Somaliland/Northern regions was non-existent. In fact, activist groups like UFO were started primarily because of the dismall state of Hargeisa Group Hospital during 1980s.  

Today, Hargeisa Group Hospital is a primary health care referal hospital for the whole of Somaliland. It provides free health care to public. 

Having said that, Somaliland's achievements over the past couple of decades is nothing short of miracle. Specailly considering it has been achieved on shoe-string budget. 

At one stage, Hargeisa of early 1991s the class rooms were under the trees were students would sit on tin cans (qasacada caanaha). 

Somaliland has recovered from a society and country that has broken down in every sense of the word.

 

 

[Suldaanka]

6 hours ago, galbeedi said:

Mubaarak of Egypt came 1981 and left 30 years after the Arab spring, Daniel Moi of Kenya came1978 and left  25 years after elections and wind of change touched the country. The whole region was run by one man rule. No one have ever though of replacing Mubaarak  , Qadaafi or Arab Moi with armed insurgency  in the seventies or early eighties. Only a Somali “ Madax Faluuq” who never thinks about time and space would indulge those kind of thoughts. 

Replacing Siyad Barre or regime change in Somali in 1985 meant destroying all of Somalia from Zaylac to Kismaayo. Tthere were no other ways. 

The angry tribes put aside of everything and were hell bent of destroying the country for good and let  the chips fall where they may. 

Afwayne's apologists would rather blame the people who refused to become second citizens in their own country, rather than the blood thirsty regime.

Mingsitu of Ethiopia might have been a bloody dictator, but he was a nationalist. You can never accused of him not loving his country. You can see it from Eritrea's cities where they are as beaufiful as they were during the Italian era, today. You can see it from the way people were when TPLF rolled in and took over peaceful cities and communities that were not warring at each other. Unlike Afwayne who pitted Somali clans against one another, armed to the teeth friendly ones, hence leaving the country divided and deadly. 

The SNM on the other hand, initiated the healing process, organised peace conferences and started nation building. And became the first liberation force to volunteerly handover power to civilian leadership. 

[Tallaabo]

Maakhiri has a point. Siyaad Barre, no matter how much he is loved or hated, was more effective than any other Somali leader before him or after him with the exception of Maxamad Ibraahim Cigaal. Cigaal built Somaliland's government institutions before he died. Other than these two men, no politician has ever left any tangible legacy in the Horn of Africa. Somaliland was rebuilt from scratch and is today more developed and prosperous than it has ever been, but this is not the result of any government intervention. Rather it is the hard work and entrepreneurial skills of the public. 

[Tallaabo]

24 minutes ago, Suldaanka said:

Afwayne's apologists would rather blame the people who refused to become second citizens in their own country, rather than the blood thirsty regime.

No one is blaming the people but the So-called leaders who today run different sections of the former Republic will be and frankly should be measured against Siyaad Barre and the other politicians of yesteryears. 

[galbeedi]

Suldaanka, 

You are partially correct that at the end Siyaad Barre watched the country disintegrate in a chaos while he had an opportunity to leave peacefully or transfer power before the implosion.On the other hand Mengistu was air lifted and Ethiopia was saved by the west and others.

Yet,  major Eritrean cities were never invaded or taken over by insurgents. Mengistu killed more than 60 generals and murdered thousands in cold blooded purging . He murdered two presidents, and  burred King Haile Selassie in his office after he starved him to death. Siyaad Barre was small time tyrant  compared the real dictator Mengistu.

Imagine the second largest city of the country taken over by rebels. in that era Every leader would have used any means necessary to dislodge and bring authority. Even Cigaal bombed Burco to fight the 1994 rebels.

Since the people of the North eventually rebelled and became a poplar uprising, no force or dictator could have controlled them. In history , the public in general are correct if they rise because of oppression,  despite the consequences.

On the issue at hand of building things, in Somaliland , it is the people who achieved impossible and built things. Even when they celebrate the national day, 18 May, no one forces them to wear the colors but themselves. This love of the land in Somaliland is definitely much different than the rest of Somalis. 

[galbeedi]

OOdweyne,

It is true that Somaliland has started from the scratch. A friend told me that in 1992, he couldn't find a restaurant or a coffee shop to but a tea. In that contest, they achieved the impossible especially the combinations of the traditional order and modern constitution. 

Yet, on the government side, I see a lot of weakness and incompetence in terms of building public service institutions like, hospitals, water wells, public transportation projects and others. Just look at Hargeisa water project with over hundred million spent. These kind of projects could be done with less than $50 million dollars.