Baasaboorka Mareykanka miyaa ka hor taagn inuu ka qeyb galo shirka QM?

[Suldaanka]

Baasaboorka Mareykanka miyaa Farmaajo ka hor istaagay inuu ka qeyb galo shirka QM?

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Madaxweyne Farmaajo ayaa markii labaad ka baaqday shir weynaha guud ee Qaramada Midoobay ee magaalada New York ka socda.

Sharciga dalka Mareykanka ma oggola in qof haysta baasaboorkooda uu dalkaasi tego isagoo adeegsanayo baasaboor dal kale

 

 

[Suldaanka]

For Cheeseman the value of holding on to his US Passport is greater than the value of representing his country at the global stage. 

 

[Suldaanka]

If this is not the ultimate insult to "nationalism", I do not know what else is. 

He is a total fraud. 

[Che -Guevara]

America allows dual citizenship even for politicians. You are only required to renounce the citizenship of the other country if you will be employed by the US Federal Government (there are even exceptions that to). So the idea of Farmajo not going to US because of his dual citizenship is bs.

[Suldaanka]

3 minutes ago, Che -Guevara said:

America allows dual citizenship even for politicians. You are only required to renounce the citizenship of the other country if you will be employed by the US Federal Government (there are even exceptions that to). So the idea of Farmajo not going to US because of his dual citizenship is bs.

This is what I found from the State Department... 

 

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US citizens, even if they are citizens of another country, must enter and leave the United States using their US passport when visiting for leisure or business. Source

Hence, Oodka is right. If he were to travel to the States with Somalia Passport, he could run into troubles with the authorities there and may get his US passport cancelled. 

Cheeseman can choose to travel with his US passport but he will lose all the diplomatic protections provided by foreign diplomatic passport. 

The honourable thing for a true nationalist under the given circumstance would be to honest to the people. But Cheeseman and honesty? He is a fraud. He rather try pull another Qalbi-dhagax "Dhuumasho dhabarku muuqdo - waa dhib iyo hadimo"... rather than being brave and facing his demons. Even if that means telling people that he values the US passport because there is no hope with the Somalia passport.

[Duufaan]

For your information, he can also ask for a special arrangement. I understand why he wants to keep his U.S citizenship. Denouncing it will also create him for a problem. He is not the only head state who did not come to the Newyork meeting. This kind of meeting, do not really produce anything. There were many people with U.S passport running for Somali president, including a woman who came here at a very young age. He came to Washington last time when he was pre-minster.

[Suldaanka]

1 hour ago, Duufaan said:

For your information, he can also ask for a special arrangement. I understand why he wants to keep his U.S citizenship. Denouncing it will also create him for a problem. He is not the only head state who did not come to the Newyork meeting. This kind of meeting, do not really produce anything. There were many people with U.S passport running for Somali president, including a woman who came here at a very young age. He came to Washington last time when he was pre-minster.

So now you are trashing the meeting.

The other head of states are not wrestling between keeping a foreign passport and fullfilling their national duty.  

[maakhiri1]

intetesting, agree, head of States, is diff ball game.

But, Dual citizen Americans can travel to States with non American passport. not prefered but Ok.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

At least madaxweyne Farmaajo has the choice to attend or not with invitation, the choice to go or not meeting with his madaxda dhigiisa ah. However, mdaxweyne Farmaajo does not have a time for meetings like that, where Soomaaliya's foreign minister ku filan. Many foreign ministers have attended, including foreign ministers from Ruushka iyo Jarmalka, who represented their nations. Madaxweyne Farmaajo is tirelessly working at home to improve Soomaaliya. 

In meantime, some dusty local open-air prison xaafad in Waqooyi, Muuse Lokal is still enjoying his daily marqaamid with his coos grass, imploring and beseeching Abiy Axmed for a minute meeting that never arrives:

Keep chewing, Muuse.

[Suldaanka]

Waxaan soo xasuustay... caruurta hadii aad la ciyaartid futo'dooda ayay laasim ku tusaan.

@Oodweynekan wakhti yaanu kaaga lumin...  

[Suldaanka]

8 hours ago, maakhiri1 said:

intetesting, agree, head of States, is diff ball game.

But, Dual citizen Americans can travel to States with non American passport. not prefered but Ok.

You could be right. And it could be because you didnot disclose that you are dual citizen but if you did then the law says otherwise. 

No wonder they call him Cheese, he has so many holes. Which is why he refuses to give unscripted interviews. 

 

[Tillamook]

15 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

America allows dual citizenship even for politicians. You are only required to renounce the citizenship of the other country if you will be employed by the US Federal Government (there are even exceptions that to). So the idea of Farmajo not going to US because of his dual citizenship is bs.

I agree.

Many other Somali leaders with dual citizenships have represented Somalia at the international stage.

The real reason neither Farmaajo nor  Kheeyre have not attended the UN General Assembly this year, is because of the cloak and dagger political machinations currently taking place in Xamar, where it’s likely that either one or both of them might be given the boot by our Federal “placeholder” parliament.

Unless a major political  re-alignment occurs, I personally don’t see how these guys will finish the remainder of their mandates.

[Suldaanka]

On another note, what does Somalia Constitution say about people who hold dual citizenship?

Somaliland's constitution prohibits President to hold another country's citizenship. But it allows a person with Permanent Residency at another country to also hold highest office in Somaliland. 

[Tillamook]

4 hours ago, Suldaanka said:

On another note, what does Somalia Constitution say about people who hold dual citizenship?

Somaliland's constitution prohibits President to hold another country's citizenship. But it allows a person with Permanent Residency at another country to also hold highest office in Somaliland. 

All it says is that the President must be a Somali Citizen. But eventually, once it is ratified by a referendum, I would encourage an amendment to the constitution that prohibits dual citizenship for anyone seeking the highest offices of the land.

[Tillamook]

5 hours ago, Oodweyne said:

But you know. I take it, that actually requires national voters to go to poll and pass that constitution in a referendum, like we did in Somaliland back in June of 2001. And by the looks of it, Somalia and a public exercise of "one-person-and-one-vote" sort of thing doesn't seems to be on the card for each other, particularly in any time soon.

More importantly, the elites of the South (or Somalia) can't basically afford to hold public referendum for their constitution any time soon, since Somaliland will not be party to any sort of some wretched "Koonforian constitution", which allegedly will supersede our very own.

Hence, that in turn will mean, that, if they were to hold that "constitutional vote", in the event of a miraculously seeing a government based in Mogadishu running the show of the whole of the Ex-Italians Somalia, without Somaliland participating in it (which is given from our side of the divide) then they have essentially accepted the "separate-ness" of the two polities.

Consequently, they are between a rock and a hard place, in my view. And this is the precise reason which in turn have forced them to never want to end their alleged "constitutional reform and review process", which seems to be going on since 2004 (or thereabout).  

Ina Cawil Mucjiso, wakhtigii aad is cajabin jirtay, sidii bilcaan suuroonaysa, miyaa la gaaray?

The fact that somaliland is able to stipulate the local regulations governing who can run for its office of President(foreign resident or not), or that Puntland can limit its legislature to a mere 66 members, or that other regional governments of Somalia can experiment with their own ways of governing themselves, are the intended benefits we were hoping for our Federalism would bring to us all.

Federalism encourages innovative laws and policies to be adopted locally that are responsive to the needs of the citizens— which, if successful(keyword:”successfull”), can be later copied by others.

Now with that outta the way: The Federal constitution still has a long way to go before it can be fully ratified by all Somali citizens in the country, including Somaliland.