Cartoon Protest in London...

[Pi]

^^^^looooooool@ Laba Xiinyood

 

Umm, are you narrating this hadeeth? Is it in Saheeh Labo-Xiinyood. Dude, please "elucidate" this and give us references.

[Blessed]

Originally posted by Laba_Xiniinyood:

Blessed, those Placards didn't advocate violence by saying things like

 

Freedom of Speech can go to Hell

Europe remember 911

Europe:The Real Holocaust is coming Soon

Kill those who insult Islam

Massacre Those who Slander Islam(which i held with great pride)

 

I suppose you were advocating peace, my bad waan yara indho la'ahay!

 

The prophet (P.B.U.H) mentioned in a Hadith that if anyone insults any prophet, kill Him; If he insults a Sahaba (companion) beat him.

And the source of this hadith is? 'Waxa la yidhi' doesn't wash with me huuno, sorry.

 

My point is, if you accept the notion that Muslims are commanded to kill, behead, exterminate anyone who opposes or insults Islam, why protest against a cartoon that's sending out that very message?

 

oh the irony :rolleyes:

 

P.S out of curiosty, who organised this protest?

[Pi]

Reform, Reform, Reform! Let the bells of reform ring loud! Maybe this whole caricature incident is a blessing in disguise.

[Blessed]

^elucidate ...

 

Underdog

 

The following steps were recommended by the Scholars, expressing outrage is NOT enough.

 

[There are many things that an individual can do to support the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam. The following are some of them:

 

Officially condemn the attack on all levels, and sound your objection strongly. It is strange how we usually condemn other matters of lesser significance, but this time, people have remained inexplicably silent. It is also strange that the foreign minister of England condemned this outrage before any of the Muslims, who should have done so before anyone else.

Register your objection with the official local authorities like ministries of Islaamic affairs and Islaamic organizations.

Sound your objection to social Islaamic foundations, organizations and bodies.

Thinkers, official leaders and scholars in different fields must proclaim their condemnation of this outrage and openly object to it using all means, especially the pulpits of the two Sacred Mosques.

Islaamic centers in the West must sound their objections and respond to this.

Muslims must send e-mails objecting to and condemning the publication of these images to all the organizations and people concerned, and to anyone with influence in the Western communities. If millions of e-mails were received from Muslims in this regard, this would certainly have a noticeable impact on the situation.

Buy airtime on TV and radio stations and broadcast programs in defense of the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam and express support. Muslims who are established and eloquent speakers, and who are aware of the way to address the West should be invited to address the issue.

Write forceful articles for publication in magazines and newspapers, even if one has to buy the space as if it was an advertisement, and publish these articles on the internet as well.

Employ professional production companies to produce video tapes which present the summary of the life of the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, highlight his virtues and good manners, and refute some of the most common misconceptions about the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam.

Print books and leaflets about the biography of the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, and address some of the misinformation in the West regarding him, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam.

Hold meetings, conventions and deliver talks in universities especially in the United States to counter this attack.

Provide a clear response by scholars, clarifying the Islamic ruling regarding those who attack and slander any Prophet or Messenger, may Allaah exalt their mention, and especially our Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam; arranging for some scholars and students of knowledge to respond to this vicious attack and fabricated lies on the internet.

Hold international exhibitions at airports, market places, malls and public places after arranging with the local authorities, to highlight some aspects of the excellence of the personality of the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam.

Make material available in different languages that address the life of the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, in order to highlight his noble manners and his perfect personality. Simultaneously, this would serve to counter the attack made against the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam.

Exchange useful ideas that will enable a person who loves and glorifies the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, to participate in the campaign of defending and supporting him, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, and expressing their love to him. One person could translate some material, another could financially support some effort, and a third could write articles and so on, until this becomes a worldwide campaign.

Produce CDs that talk about the features of the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, and freely distribute them.

Start a monthly magazine that talks only about the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, and bring to light some of events in his life and how he dealt with his enemies.

Hold international conventions on the mercy of Islaam – laying stress on how Islaamic duties are easy and simple to follow, and that all the accusations against the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, are false and nothing but mere lies. If every Muslim country held a convention to counter the attack against the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, this by itself would convey a message to the world that attacking the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, is something that the Muslims will not tolerate.

The duty of those working on the internet and website owners:

 

Establishing databases on the internet about the biography of the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, in all languages. This has already been done by two organizations: The International Committee for Supporting the Final Messenger, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam and The Committee for Supporting the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam. However, just two groups are not enough; our efforts must be united in order to have a stronger impact.

 

Forming groups of people that highlight the merits of Islaam and the status of all the Prophets and Messengers in Islaam, may Allaah exalt their mention, and other topics.

Establishing sites and chat rooms that concentrate on the biography of the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, and highlight that his message is a universal one.

Carrying out calm debates with non-Muslims and inviting them to study the personality and life of the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, and the religion that he was sent with.

Sending e-mails that talk about the personality of the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, and his mission, especially during major occasions.

Advertising books or lectures that talk about the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, and his biography in popular search engines.

Finally, we ask Allaah to support His religion and to humiliate the enemies of Islaam.

 

Read more

[underdog]

Thank you Blessed.

[Che -Guevara]

Originally posted by Laba_Xiniinyood:

Che

, what have i said that could be counter-productive? That we should kill those who insult the prophet?

Kill away buddy, Just do not say I and millions of fellow muslims don't love or respect The Prophet PBUH.

[Viking]

Originally posted by Laba_Xiniinyood:

Blessed, those Placards didn't advocate violence by saying things like

 

Freedom of Speech can go to Hell

Europe remember 911

Europe:The Real Holocaust is coming Soon

Kill those who insult Islam

Massacre Those who Slander Islam(which i held with great pride)

Laba,

Who was holding the ones that said "Europe will pay Bin Laden way" and the others that were as offensive?

[SOO MAAL]

Jack Straw praises UK media's 'sensitivity' over cartoons

 

Chris Tryhorn and agencies

Friday February 3, 2006

 

 

Jack Straw attacked European media organisations today for publishing controversial cartoons of Muhammad that have sparked outrage across the Muslim world.

But the foreign secretary praised British newspapers for their "considerable responsibility and sensitivity" in not printing the cartoons, which first appeared in a Danish newspaper in September and have been reprinted in a host of newspapers across the continent this week.

 

Although TV news in this country showed some of the cartoons as they appeared in European newspapers, no national newspaper in the UK has so far chosen to reproduce the images, one of which depicts Muhammad with a bomb fizzing out of his turban.

 

"There is freedom of speech, we all respect that, but there is not any obligation to insult or to be gratuitously inflammatory," Mr Straw said after talks with the Sudanese foreign minister.

"I believe that the republication of these cartoons has been unnecessary, it has been insensitive, it has been disrespectful and it has been wrong.

 

"There are taboos in every religion. We have to be very careful about showing the proper respect in this situation."

 

Sir Iqbal Sacranie, the secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said he was "deeply concerned" by European newspapers that did not understand the offence they had caused to Muslims.

 

"We reiterate our absolute condemnation of the decision to publish these images in Denmark and view their republication in other European countries as a deliberate and senseless act of provocation," he said.

 

"Newspaper editors must exercise restraint and good judgment instead of adding to the increasingly xenophobic tone being adopted in parts of Europe against Muslims. These newspapers should apologise immediately for the harm they have caused."

 

Last night demonstrators protested outside BBC Television Centre in west London, angry that the corporation had screened glimpses of the cartoon.

 

The BBC said it was using the images "to give audiences an understanding of the strong feelings evoked by the story". ITV News said it used the images "in the context of it being a news story".

 

The row over the cartoons has provoked a major debate in Europe about the importance and limitations or free speech.

 

In the most controversial episode so far, the managing editor of France Soir was sacked after the paper printed the drawings in Wednesday's edition, using the defiant headline, "Yes, we have the right to caricature God."

 

The cartoons have angered Muslims because Islam forbids the human representation of Muhammad, and many believe that some of the images ridiculed the prophet.

 

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[SOO MAAL]

U.S. Calls Muhammad Drawings 'Offensive'

Protests Against Muhammad Caricatures Intensify in Muslim World; U.S. Calls Drawings 'Offensive'

By QASSIM ABDEL-ZAHRA Associated Press Writer

The Associated Press

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Tens of thousands of angry Muslims marched through Palestinian cities, burning the Danish flag and calling for vengeance Friday against European countries where caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad were published. In Washington, the State Department criticized the drawings, calling them "offensive to the beliefs of Muslims."

 

While recognizing the importance of freedom of the press and expression, State Department press officer Janelle Hironimus said these rights must be coupled with press responsibility.

 

"Inciting religious or ethnic hatred in this manner is not acceptable," Hironimus said. "We call for tolerance and respect for all communities and for their religious beliefs and practices."

 

Angry protests against the drawings spread in the Muslim world.

 

In Iraq, thousands demonstrated after mosque services, and the country's leading Shiite cleric denounced the drawings. About 4,500 people rallied in Basra and hundreds at a Baghdad mosque. Danish flags were burned at both demonstrations.

 

Muslims in Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia and Malaysia demonstrated against the European nations whose papers published them.

 

The caricatures, including one depicting the Muslim prophet wearing a turban fashioned into a bomb, were reprinted in papers in Norwegian, French, German and even Jordanian after first appearing in a Danish paper in September. The drawings were republished after Muslims decried the images as insulting to their prophet. Dutch-language newspapers in Belgium and two Italian right-wing papers reprinted the drawings Friday.

 

Islamic law, based on clerics' interpretation of the Quran and the sayings of the prophet, forbids depiction's of the Prophet Muhammad and other major religious figures even positive ones to prevent idolatry. Shiite Muslim clerics differ in that they allow images of their greatest saint, Ali, the prophet's son-in-law, though not Muhammad.

 

Danish Prime Minister Fogh Rasmussen, in a meeting with the Egyptian ambassador, reiterated his stance that the government cannot interfere with issues concerning the press. On Monday, he said his government could not apologize on behalf of a newspaper, but that he personally "never would have depicted Muhammad, Jesus or any other religious character in a way that could offend other people."

 

Early Friday, Palestinian militants threw a bomb at a French cultural center in Gaza City, and many Palestinians began boycotting European goods, especially those from Denmark.

 

"Whoever defames our prophet should be executed," said Ismail Hassan, 37, a tailor who marched through the pouring rain along with hundreds of others in the West Bank city of Ramallah.

 

"Bin Laden our beloved, Denmark must be blown up," protesters in Ramallah chanted.

 

In mosques throughout Palestinian cities, clerics condemned the cartoons. An imam at the Omari Mosque in Gaza City told 9,000 worshippers that those behind the drawings should have their heads cut off.

 

"If they want a war of religions, we are ready," Hassan Sharaf, an imam in Nablus, said in his sermon.

 

About 10,000 demonstrators, including gunmen from the Islamic militant group Hamas firing in the air, marched through Gaza City to the Palestinian legislature, where they climbed on the roof, waving green Hamas banners.

 

"We are ready to redeem you with our souls and our blood our beloved prophet," they chanted. "Down, Down Denmark."

 

Thousands of protesters in the center of Nablus burned at least 10 Danish flags. In Jenin, about 1,500 people demonstrated, burning Danish dairy products. Hundreds protested in Jericho, and protests were held in towns throughout Gaza.

 

Fearing an outbreak of violence, Israel barred all Palestinians under age 45 from praying at Jerusalem's Al Aqsa Mosque compound, Islam's third holiest site.

 

Nevertheless, about 100 men chanting Islamic slogans and carrying a green Hamas flag demonstrated outside Jerusalem's Old City on Friday afternoon. The crowd scattered when police on horseback arrived, and some of the protesters threw rocks. Police broke up a second demonstration at Damascus Gate with tear gas and stun grenades.

 

In Iraq, the country's top Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, decried the drawings but did not call for protests.

 

"We strongly denounce and condemn this horrific action," he said in a statement posted on his Web site and dated Tuesday.

 

Al-Sistani, who wields enormous influence over Iraq's majority Shiites, made no call for protests and suggested that militant Muslims were partly to blame for distorting Islam's image.

 

He referred to "misguided and oppressive" segments of the Muslim community and said their actions "projected a distorted and dark image of the faith of justice, love and brotherhood."

 

"Enemies have exploited this ... to spread their poison and revive their old hatreds with new methods and mechanisms," he said.

 

The drawings were first published in September in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten. The issue reignited last week after Saudi Arabia recalled its ambassador to Denmark and many European newspapers reprinted them this week.

 

The Jyllands-Posten had asked 40 cartoonists to draw images of the prophet. The purpose, its chief editor said, was "to examine whether people would succumb to self-censorship, as we have seen in other cases when it comes to Muslim issues."

 

The 12 caricatures have prompted boycotts of Danish goods, bomb threats and demonstrations in front of Danish embassies across the Islamic world. Muslims have also directed their anger at other European countries, with Palestinian gunmen briefly kidnapping a German citizen Thursday and surrounding European Union headquarters in Gaza.

 

Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan was quoted as saying the caricatures are an attack on "our spiritual values" which have damaged efforts to establish an alliance between the Muslim world and Europe.

 

Hundreds of Turks emerging from mosques following Friday prayers staged demonstrations, including one in front of the Danish consulate in Istanbul.

 

"Hands that reach Islam must be broken," chanted a group of extremists outside the Merkez Mosque in Istanbul.

 

In Jakarta, Indonesia, more than 150 hardline Muslims stormed a high-rise building housing the Danish Embassy on Friday and tore down and burned the country's flag.

 

Pakistan's parliament unanimously voted to condemn the drawings as a "vicious, outrageous and provocative campaign" that has "hurt the faith and feelings of Muslims all over the world." About 800 people protested in Pakistan's capital, Islamabad, chanting "Death to Denmark" and "Death to France." Another rally in the southern city of Karachi drew 1,200 people.

 

Fundamentalist Muslims protested outside the Danish Embassy in Malaysia, chanting "Long live Islam, destroy our enemies."

 

British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw criticized European media outlets for republishing the caricatures as demonstrators prepared to take to the streets of London.

 

 

Associated Press Writers Qassim Abdul-Zahra and Sinan Salaheddin in Baghdad, Iraq; Selcan Hacaoglu in Ankara, Turkey; Benjamin Harvey in Istanbul, Turkey; Maria Sanminiatelli in Rome; Jan M. Olsen in Copenhagen, Denmark; Munir Ahmad in Islamabad, Pakistan; and Irwan Firdaus in Jakarta, Indonesia, contributed to this report.

 

 

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

[DraGon]

This thread actually proves Ngonge right in the other thread.

Proves his arguments for those of us who live in the west.

[Khayr]

Originally posted by DraGon:

This thread actually proves Ngonge right in the other thread.

Proves his arguments for those of us who live in the west.

and what is that, oh wise one.... because Ngonge does spew alot of Garbage and according to him-we often 'Lack Comprehension' (those that disagree with him ofcourse!.

 

C

Underdog said:

 

Castro,

at what point will someone have gone too far against Islam? What would you personally have to witness to make you take some kind of physical action to protect your Diin? (Just a general inquiry)

UD, thats the good question, maybe the 'KEYBOARD ORIENTALISTS' can enlighten us... :cool:

[DraGon]

Relax Mr. Khayr. I am not a big fun of Ngonge and his bravado but the man had a point about respect others freedom of speech especially for those of us living in the west since we too benefit from such freedom.

[Laba-X]

I was watching BBC's Newsnight last night when a Columnist stated that the his religion (Christianity) has been mocked at times and they laughed it off, so why can't muslims? Simply because "Lakum Diinakum Waliya Diin" They can mock their religion all they want, but not ours!

 

Dragon, there is a fine line between Freedom of Speech (or freedom of press for that matter) and insulting a religion and a Prophet we hold sacred and greatly revere!

 

Vikingthere were a few placards that read "Europe will Pay, Bin laden his way" (is onwas omitted on some).

[Modesty]

Burn their effing Danish flag!!!

[Khayr]

Originally posted by DraGon:

Relax Mr. Khayr. I am not a big fun of Ngonge and his bravado but the man had a point about respect others freedom of speech especially for those of us living in the west since we too benefit from such freedom.

Wrooooooooooooooong Message!!!

 

You don't need to RESPECT no one when they Insult YOU; INSULT YOUR DEEN!

Any liberterian/human rights activist will tell you that because thats an INFRINGEMENT on YOUR RIGHTS.

 

As Muslims, we just need to STICK to our DEEN. We don't need to

RE-EDIT it,

 

OMIT SUBJECTS,

 

RE-FORM concepts for NOOO ONE, For NO CUP of Caano!

 

Confusion about your religion, your origin, your history etc. is what pushes the weight of

POPULAR SENTIMENT.

 

As your referred to memeber said before that 'DOUBT' is a positive thing and a cornerstone to become Intelligent. :rolleyes: