Dalmar1 Posted July 31, 2018 Mudug: Farmaajo oo dhegax dhigay Dekadda Hobyo Mudug: Gaas oo dhagax dhigay dekadda Garacad Farqi uu dhaxeyo Hobyo iyo Garacad waa 200KM ka yar!?!?!? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted July 31, 2018 Federalism is a symptom not the underlying problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peace Action Posted July 31, 2018 Federalism would help reconstitute the Somali state. Each federal state needs to work hard for development of basic infrastructure and the people in that region should hold the leaders accountable for the lack of progress. The more, the merrier. We should have ports whenever possible. they could be used for transit cargo from other ports, for fishing and even for tourism. Nomads should learn how to swim and eat fish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted July 31, 2018 We lack the basic understanding of governance, whatever system of governance won't matter unless people are not fully informed and the politicians are since in the application of the constitution and laws. The most basic problem is the incomplete constitution that creates a lot of confusion in terms of responsibilities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old_Observer Posted July 31, 2018 17 minutes ago, Che -Guevara said: We lack the basic understanding of governance, whatever system of governance won't matter unless people are not fully informed and the politicians are since in the application of the constitution and laws. The most basic problem is the incomplete constitution that creates a lot of confusion in terms of responsibilities. I always wonder why people do not focus on this one item. Bad good or ugly nothing can be done properly without constitution. Even to know whether properly implemented or not, one has to have one in first place. Every SFG, TFG avoided this and are getting away with it. Now Eritrea will tell them forget it..don't need constitution. lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samafal Posted July 31, 2018 How is this bad? Mudug can have two airports, two ports and two in everything. It is just sick people who see evil in everything is the problem here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maakhiri1 Posted July 31, 2018 These people are as dumb as rock, first you don't need two ports in small region, it is redundant, speically while you are so poor and can not afford, and need other vital infrastructure. Somalis and Federalism, most of these pple have no clue. You can build Airport in one area and the port the other. Somalis are sleep walking and you will see in Mudug as example, two parliament, too many puplic servants? who is going to you pay for it? Ports are very expense, need major highways, u will duplicate everything? in small area while u have a big country, while pple don't have basic necessities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tillamook Posted July 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, maakhiri1 said: These people are as dumb as rock, first you don't need two ports in small region, it is redundant, speically while you are so poor and can not afford, and need other vital infrastructure. Somalis and Federalism, most of these pple have no clue. You can build Airport in one area and the port the other. Somalis are sleep walking and you will see in Mudug as example, two parliament, too many puplic servants? who is going to you pay for it? Ports need major highways, u willnduplicate everything? in small area while u have a big country You have posited a retarded argument that is based on not one single intelligible fact. And to top it of, you dashed it with a sprinkling of make-believe outrage which is wholly unnecessary here.😁 Proximity of distance between these proposed ports in Mudug need not necessarily bring about redundancy nor economic superfluity. (Just google the distance between the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach, and you will see the flaws in your thinking) I believe, if they get built... the ports of Gara’ad and Hobyo will supplement one another and at the same time compete with one another and other ports in the country — which will drive the cost of trading through them much lower— for all to benefit from. By the by, who made you the all-knowing arbitrator of what our so called “poor” people can or cannot do? It such defeatist and disgusting mentality that has set back many a Somali these days. Saaxiib fadhiga ka kac oo iskaa wax u qabso. “I am poor” is no excuse..😀 Ku dayo Puntland! 👍 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dalmar1 Posted July 31, 2018 The answer is simple, Federalism is a curse, a civil war in waiting, its just unfortunate that those who are defending the pending doom all come from 1 single clan and certain federal state (Puntland). I sincerely advice to those who advocate the cursed federalism to heed the warning before a calamity strikes (we all know the nature of the Soomaalida waa dad ku heshiiyey inay iis dilon, now giving those clans a state will only exacerbate the current crises), screaming there after wont help! Clan wars was the past time and the order of the day for our grandfathers, i foresee state-clan wars in the near future, Tukuraq is only the tip of the iceberg and the beginning of that calamity. It send chills down my spine just thinking about post arms embargo, what clans state will do to settle past clan grievances with their state, may Allah helps all from this doom of a Federal Ship we are on. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khadafi Posted July 31, 2018 56 minutes ago, Samafal said: How is this bad? Mudug can have two airports, two ports and two in everything. It is just sick people who see evil in everything is the problem here. Ever heard of a thing called cost effectiveness when planning for public instututions? It's easy to say that a small desertified countey that according to UN-reports has massive malnourishment to have two ports and two of everything. What's more difficult is actually to find the resources. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samafal Posted July 31, 2018 Mid Makhiro ay dhahaan waa hater. He is Jeegaan imposter disguising himself Reer Makhir. Mate we can see through your game here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samafal Posted July 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Khadafi said: Ever heard of a thing called cost effectiveness when planning for public instututions? It's easy to say that a small desertified countey that according to UN-reports has massive malnourishment to have two ports and two of everything. What's more difficult is actually to find the resources. Sxb you are talking a lot of trash. The reason we have mulnourishment is not because we have too many ports, airports and long highways. It is because we have a lack of them. In the free market economics these ports should spur competition and economic growth for the region. Dalmar, how Building infrastructure like Gara'ad port leads to civil war? What does not lead to war then? **********imo and living in chaos? Caqligaas dadka wata baan rabnaa inaan dowlad la wadaagno bal daya!!! War adeeroow dhulkaaga dhiso kaygaan dhisanyaan Iimaankana isku sug risqiga Allah baa haye dakad meel laga dhisay kuuma hayso. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maakhiri1 Posted July 31, 2018 35 minutes ago, Tillamook said: You have posited a retarded argument that is based on not one single intelligible fact. And to top it of, you dashed it with a sprinkling of make-believe outrage which is wholly unnecessary here.😁 Proximity of distance between these proposed ports in Mudug need not necessarily bring about redundancy nor economic superfluity. (Just google the distance between the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach, and you will see the flaws in your thinking) I believe, if they get built... the ports of Gara’ad and Hobyo will supplement one another and at the same time compete with one another and other ports in the country — which will drive the cost of trading through them much lower— for all to benefit from. By the by, who made you the all-knowing arbitrator of what our so called “poor” people can or cannot do? It such defeatist and disgusting mentality that has set back many a Somali these days. Saaxiib fadhiga ka kac oo iskaa wax u qabso. “I am poor” is no excuse..😀 Ku dayo Puntland! 👍 You now comparing yourself to California which is even richer than Germany, your blinded by misguided system aad is leedahay is better for tolka, think BIG and if you have enough brain cells ,one day will get.😁 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted July 31, 2018 People, what alternatives do you offer in terms of economic growth and governance. It is easy to oppose things, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peace Action Posted July 31, 2018 The problem is that Somalis are good at opposing but rarely offer working solutions. We have federal system because the centralized system failed and there is no other workable solution at this time. If you think there is one, please put forth your ideas. Why can't we have major ports and minor ports. Every coastal area needs port. How will people and good travel if there are no ports. Somalis needs to take advantage of the long coast Allah gave us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
