imperial-lady Posted July 31, 2003 Let's see, God all migthy to marry up four women. Yes that notion worked when we needed, ISLAM to spread, but now days when men can't barerly afford to provide for thierselves; just think about how they would take care of four wives. Therefore; I conclude that these men aren't marrying for love, more for pleasure. And the problem lies, between those somali womens legs. FGM has a huge factor to it...men become disatisfied, when a women gives no feedback. Therefore, going to another women, seems more logical, regardless if the other women is also mulitated. So it's not an excuse, why? Because it's permitable, secondly it's culturaly excaptable, and obove all women allow it and do it thierselves. Which is sad! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oocyte Posted July 31, 2003 OG_Girl has provided and explained well about the verse 4:129 and it doesnt say "may" but "will not" or "never" be fair, so this whole notion of as long as he can do it fairly goes out of the window. Second thing, there is this another verse in Quran that goes: Marry those among you who are single, or the virtuous ones among yourselves, male or female: if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace: for Allah Ample-giving, and He knoweth all things(24:32). So according to this verse, why would woman go for married man when God said "Marry single among you" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zakariye Posted August 3, 2003 salaamy/alaykum did not say quran sis , and i meant to say islam instead of allah for some odd reason i think i was thinking faster than i was writing and i wrote allah Mizz Uniq, walaal macaan weli sax matihid,neither quran nor islam says that man shall get permission to marry second wife, wallal macaan waxaan kuu soo heli qoraalkaan ee aqri macaan. First of all, neither the Qur'an nor Hadith state that the first wife need be consulted at all concerning a second marriage let alone gain her approval. Consideration and compassion on the part of the man for his first wife should prompt him to discuss the matter with her but he is not required to do so or to gain her approval. Secondly, the Qur'an has explicitly given permission for a man to marry "two or three or four." No one has the authority to make a contract forbidding something that has been granted by Allah Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ladiif Posted August 3, 2003 ^^^need more reasons?? I never said i want 4 so pls drop the "men" (it s only nin yaaban) part b/c I'm included in there :confused: :confused: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Modest Posted August 3, 2003 To All Well, of course men can have/marry four wives for the reasons below 1. First, in Islam it is acceptable to have more than 1 wife if the man is capable of the responsibility 2. Remember there are more women than men in every country. Example in Somalia, I am not sure the exact percentage but it is believed to have 60-70 percentage of Female. So if every man have only one what would you do to the rest of the Female, r they considered as …… and being left out or put in the Pin, lol that’s fair is it. 3. Logically men are stronger and can handle more than one mostly Muslim and African men that’s why they need more than one. All it matters is Night performance we can do it, further more we love women is there anything wrong with that. Unlike these Weak Kufars they can’t do it that’s Y they invented Viagra….shit …in the Muslim world u wont see this!!! …. things are natural back home even in Somalia pple are doing those virgin fir’oni circumcised in overnight. Well done boyz Real men 4. Strong population and economy. Not to forget unlike the unmarried ones, men who got married with more than one are serving the country, helping the community to grow, and filling the need of other Woman. I must say they deserve reward for their bravery and struggle for a better and strong population. 2cute You are talking about Love and these Men are there for you serving your/female needs. Imagine a man with a 4 women around him and hallayaasha who is more feminist than the other???. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intuition Posted August 4, 2003 Asalaamu'alaykum, Subxan’allah! Islam is not about your opinion, its not about what you like and what you dislike, and lastly its not about what you desire. Its is about adhering to the will of Allah and following the quran and the Sunnah of our beloved prophet (s.a.w.). Get over yourselves seriously. Allah says, "And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan-girls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (the captive and the slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you doing injustice" Yes a man doesn’t have to marry four wives, and yes there are conditions. However, polygamy is xalal in Islam and Allah has told us that, so what is xaram is saying i "hate it" and "dislike it" Are you blatantly going against the rules of Allah? That is the question you need to be asking yourself. OG_Moti...you "hate" those who have two wives? And you don’t think any man can satisfy the requirements of the conditions? Your 1st point is going against what Allah has made xalal. And your 2nd point indicates that Islam does not with stand the test of time, think about your statement kiddo, are you willing to go to the fire of hell if your "opinion" of this matter is wrong? exceptional_by_nature..."God said so my ass"??? What kind of statement is that???!! underdog...very well said. Zakariye as much as the sisters find that hard to swallow, its true. He really doesn’t need to inform you. Lakiin that’s when compassion comes in. Over all I’m not saying that all the men out there have to go and get a 2nd wife, but what I am saying is that you need to caution yourself in the manner of the discussion at hand. We can’t talk from our whims. And sisters there is a simple way to handle the situation about polygamy, Islam has allowed women to put it in her contract a condition that if he does take a 2nd wife he must inform her 1st and she can (may) ask for a divorce (if she feels she can not handle it, and that it may cause her jealousy and more fitna) but she cant say he is not allowed to. It is better for her to have subar, and seek the reward from the hereafter. Allahu Aclum… Wasalaamu’alaykum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thinkerman Posted August 4, 2003 ^^^^^^^^ Thank You ^^^^^^^^^^ For Reminding our nomads that Islam is not about personal Opnion. Brothers and sisters dont make for yourselves Haram what allah has mad Halah and what Allah has made Haram, Halah for yourselves Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
underdog Posted August 4, 2003 Originally posted by imperial-lady: I conclude that these men aren't marrying for love , more for pleasure. Can someone please explain this "love" stuff to me please? Let's not roll our eyes in disbelief. WHAT IS LOVE? think about that question and sensible answers only please and thank you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xafsa Posted August 4, 2003 ^^^ To me love consists of two factors 1-Sexual chemistry---I don't think this needs any explaining. 2-common ground--So you have something to talk about....same outlook in life, plans for the future, same religion, family history etc...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qac Qaac Posted August 6, 2003 the 4 wive thing, always was a great big test. and most of the women fail. it is also where kuffars attack in islam. sister pls understand that this is a test for u guys, i know u guys don't like to share, but allah ur creator made the rule not men. so even if u don't like it try to understand, that is the whole meaning of being a believer, a believer is not only u believe what u like. also if the rule against u still have to believe it. Zakaiya is right, the man doesn't have to get an approval from his wife, he could tell her if he wants. but no need approval from her, coz allah knows no woman would say yes to this. underdog i can't agree with u more than this. man. do u guys want, like the kuffars humiliate their women go behind u to a prostitute HUH? which one is better. pls TELL ME SISTERS THAT U KNOW HE IS MARRIED TO THIS WOMAN, OR HE CHEATS U BEHIND U EVERYTIME. sis pls don't blame men, that is how allah made man, they always want lots of women. period. also i see most of u girls here are SELFISH, GREEDY. why, coz u all want have one man to urself. DON'T U KNOW WOMEN ARE MORE THEN MEN NOW A DAYS. THE RATIO IS 3 WOMEN TO ONE MEN, IF EVERY WOMEN TAKES ONE MEN, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE OTHER TWO WOMEN, LEFT THEM BEHIND, WITH NO MAN. is that fair to. what if one of u girls here. u know how u all wait for mr. right. what if mr. right never comes, and u become those two girls who are left behind, wouldn't u love u share one man with another woman. see allah makes rules, sometimes we might not understand them, because we are humans, our brain can't comprehand everything allah makes it, so sometimes we just have to believe and fellow allah, no matter what. me personally i prefare one woman, but i have to support my religion it is allowed to marry 4 wives. imparial lady, did u say, this was needed before when we needed islam to spread, r u saying we don't need it now. huh. SIS THIS IS NOT CHRISTIANITY THAT WE TAKE SOME OF THE RULES OUT WHEN WE FEEL LIKE IT. in islam we stand by the rules at anytime, and at any generation. get it sis. if allah said is allowed 4 wives, in 1400 yrs ago, we still needed in 2003, and will be needing it in 2050 ok. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites