UN/IGAD 4 points accord on Tukaraq issue

[Che -Guevara]

13 hours ago, Suldaanka said:

It does or doesn't, that is not the issue.

The issue here is Somaliland argument is based on historic reality and once an internationally recognised borders.

Somalia's claim is based on current history but if you are going to dig up history, Somalis never agreed or were never party to colonial border demarcations.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Somaliland and Somalia need to accept  each other borders Anglo Italian treaty 1887.  The pirate state qabyalaada ha inagadaayaan sheegashada dhulka Somaliland.  Cabdicawar is from galkayo he shares nothing with the garaad clan. War gartina ma qadataan. Wanaad galgalataan. Waranka markan galka ka soofeeyo ayaad gariirtaa. Waynu kala adagnahay eh waki muse sheegey awoowyashay awoowayashin ka adag muse waba halyey hadu wax dhirbaaxayo

 

If we do that we don't need gaalada iyo qollladan unta isku sheegeya.

Laakin niman aan ogahay baan garqaadan. Marka garaantu hawareegto

[Che -Guevara]

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13 minutes ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

Somaliland and Somalia Anglo Italian treaty 1887.  The pirate state qabyalaada ha inagadaayaan sheegashada dhulka Somaliland. 

No, why would Somalia accept that?

Secondly, Somaliland is found by a tribal movement. Why should  Somalis accept SNM's delusions. No Somali clan will impose its will onto others.

[Che -Guevara]

4 minutes ago, Amigos said:

Puntland's claim is based entirely on clan affiliation, and no reputable international organisation will support that. It is that simple. 

 

And no reputable organization actually recognizes Somaliland which means this is an internal problem, one of many of Somalia's problems.

[Che -Guevara]

25 minutes ago, Amigos said:

This is not the point. 

Puntland is claiming arbitrary clan borders, this is not something any reputable international organisation such as UN/IGAD can be seen to be engaging with. 

Somaliland's lack of international de jure recognition has nothing to do with the fact that Puntland's claim of tribal borders is not accepted in Africa, whereas colonial borders are sacrosanct according to the AU.

The legality of Puntland's claim doesn't matter as long as Somaliland is legally part of Somalia. As far as international community is concerned, this is a tribal/regional war within Somalia and they are addressing it as such. AU, UN and any other organization are not asking Puntland to respect colonial borders for there is no legal basis to make such a demand,  IC is merely trying to avert a useless war in already volatile region.

 

[Che -Guevara]

16 minutes ago, Amigos said:

 

There is precedent in Africa of countries forming a union and then separating along former colonial borders; e.g Senegal and the Gambia, Egypt and Syria, Senegal and Mali...etc. 

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All of which doesn't apply to Somaliland as Somalia was unitary state, a founding OAU member whose constitution explicitly states the inviolability of its borders, something AU, UN and every state reaffirms since 1964 Cairo Declaration.

Again, Puntland doesn't need to assert any legal claim as Somaliland is legally of part of Somalia, it is a mere regions fighting a useless war.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Somaliland joint Somalia voluntarily  we are equal to the union Mogadishu is not superior to hargeysa.  We withdrew from the union in 1991. And there is no one that can stop us or force us something we don't want the Anglo Italian border is a legit African border it's as legit as kenya Somalia border  Ethiopia Somalia border.. Somaliland iyo somaliyaa isku masonoqonayaan. SNM was a movement  that got rid of the the afweyne Marxist govt. The movement under mujahid koosaar it had a Mogadishu deputy. So it's not one qabiil

Why wouldn't Somalia accept a settlement unless Somalia wants tit for tat  status quo. Somalia and Somaliland both lost in  the union who benefits.the union.

[Suldaanka]

A joint IGAD-UNSOM mission visited Garowe, Puntland, and Hargeisa, Somaliland, from 28 to 30 July 2018, to take forward ongoing efforts to find a peaceful resolution of the conflict in the Tukaraq area of Sool region.

In Garowe, the mission held discussions with President Abdiweli Mohamed Ali Gaas, Vice President Abdihakim Abdullahi Haji Omar and Traditional Elders from the Sool region.  In Hargeisa, they met with President Muse Bihi Abdi, Minister of Foreign Affairs Dr. Saad Shire, and other members of the Cabinet, together with members of the two Houses of Parliament, as well leaders of the UCID and WADDANI opposition political parties, representatives from civil society and a committee of Somaliland elders and entrepreneurs who are working with their counterparts from Puntland to de-escalate tensions and create conditions that should allow a peaceful solution and restore the free flow of people, goods and services between Puntland and Somaliland.

The mission discussed with the interlocutors some ideas on how they could work towards resolving the Tukaraq crisis and exchanged views on the way forward.

The discussions were held in a very positive atmosphere. The leaders of both Somaliland and Puntland and all other interlocutors from both sides reiterated their commitment to finding a peaceful solution. They openly explained their positions, welcomed the ideas from the joint mission as a good basis for taking forward the ongoing search for a solution and shared additional ideas for consideration.

The joint IGAD-UN team will now further elaborate the emerging ideas and clarify issues that came up during the discussions, with a view to returning to Puntland and Somaliland for further discussions in the coming days and weeks.