Should Somaliland 're adopt cigaal rayaales foreign policy

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

We have seen allot noice in Somaliland media lately that the current path of Somaliland foreign policy is not the way forward we saw siilaanyo foreign policy. During the udub time somaliland had good ties  with south Africa Zambia Senegal Ghana  Nigeria Rwanda.  And  we had diplomatic offices all over these country. The late fagadhe aun and Edna did a great job back then. I think president muse should totally ignore Mogadishu no talks nothing and purely focusing Africa and south America. New trade deals. We got the Arabs on our side dp world is signed it's time to go to work and perhaps a new foreign minister two who has allot of energy and who speaks 7 languages. 

 

[Khadafi]

20 minutes ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

We have seen allot noice in Somaliland media lately that the current path of Somaliland foreign policy is not the way forward we saw siilaanyo foreign policy. During the udub time somaliland had good ties  with south Africa Zambia Senegal Ghana  Nigeria Rwanda.  And  we had diplomatic offices all over these country. The late fagadhe aun and Edna did a great job back then. I think president muse should totally ignore Mogadishu no talks nothing and purely focusing Africa and south America. New trade deals. We got the Arabs on our side dp world is signed it's time to go to work and perhaps a new foreign minister two who has allot of energy and who speaks 7 languages. 

 

Xaaji, Sorry to burst the bubble, Even though  Cigaal was a brilliant politician what made him succsessfull in that field of politics was that his northern enclave had stability to certain degree. While the south had a vicious civil war, the north was slowly getting out of it. International observers wanted "a somali leader" that resembled an institution that they could speak too. As for today, the recognition of FGS and its increasing influence makes it harder for you or anyone else in Somalia to go back to those days.  Compromising a nations unity is a big "no no" within international diplomatic circles or between foregin ministries of the world.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

SFG  is a fabricated entity it's useless alshabaab can karbaashs and behead all the officials in villa amisom. If the African union troops leave  SFG TFG and  TNG are all fake toothless govt. Eldotet  embagati baydhabo jawhar maxammad  dhere. Koonfurians are an utter failure when it comes to governance and security and dowlwdnimo dowladnimo xaal qaado farmaajo iyo hassan sheikh iyo sheikh Sharif iyo colonel yey and abdiqasbaaye. Maxaymy guuleysten qarax dil dagaa abu fulan jihadi maxakim muqaawamo tigray funded govt war waxa inagadaa.

 

Somaliand has it's struggls but recogntion we shall get it now in  2100 it doesn't matter As long as we hold our guns and patrool our borders.  One thing is sure our struggle will soon be 40 years. And you know what that means.   It means victory is near.   The Anglo Somaliland and Italiania Somalia border is well defined la kala guray adeer. Kala yaacday buu yidhi Somalidi calanku saarnayd. The geopolitics of the world in Arabia In Asia in the horn changing. And you lot are still in the 1990s

 

[Khadafi]

18 hours ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

Xaaji.

Your quite true that the federal government of Somalia is a weak government, squeezed in between al-qaeda terrorists and conflicting  politicians that what to keep the privelages that they gained  during the vicious civil war in the 90-ties. Soomaliland was actually a beacon of hope for somali intellectuals  and still is.  It wasnt easy being a somali intellectual during the  early 90-ties when countrey  turned into a mad-max countrey with death and starvation.  You needed to see clear evidence that somalis could actually create somekind of a peacefull civil adminstration in order to have hope again and Somaliland provided that. I would say that the whole notion of a federal Soomaliya got their inspiration from Soomaliland.   It is not by a chance that years later your north-eastern  neighbors created a similliar clan-based adminstration and even started using the word land"when they formulated a new name for the countrey. We Somalis have a this habit. If you see one somali opening a kastuumo/niikis you will see the whole street ockupied by somalis selling kastuumos/niikis.

I think that your well aware of the enermous  steps of stability  koonfurta has undertaken. The first election of a Soomali president were held in Somalia and despite  the huge obstacles , Pres. Xassan Sheekh  succeeded in laying the framework a federal region based Soomalia. This was a crucial step in south as this was needed to calm the fragmented  diverse south. The next big step that showed showed the return of the Somali government and what I would say is a milestone in post-1991 Somali political history is the peacefull transfer of a presidedency in Mogadishu by person in the H-block to  person to the D-block. The third evidence  is the solid international recognition.   

 

It has been 30 years  since some  not all somalis in hargeysaa  (SSC, Boorama) demanded for seperatism. That project failed, if it would have been succsesfull  then we would have seen Somaliland as a fully recognised nation. Instead of that as of in 2018 the FGS has firmly and succsesfully demanded that your region/nation/countrey (I dont care about semantics, if you wish it be called countrey so be it) to be treated in a equal way just as other somali regions are treated.   What I am asking you  is , if the boat sailed, where is it going? 30 years is a long time and the region is changing.  It should be no suprise to you that the youth of Somaliland are seeking greener pastures in other greener pastures of Somalia becouse of the dire economical situation. The same could  be said about the youth in the koonfurta.

 

Even the late respected Pres cigaal (AUN) a somali nationalist said in a recorded speach that he ready for talks with other somalis once the south has cooled down.  Sadly he passed away a few months after that famous interview was conducted.  Politics changes,  what sounded as popular slogan during the 1990-ties might sound alien or simply not relevant for a younger generation.   Forget about Somalia/Somaliland, young somalis are now  interconnected to each other through the social meda then never before. In short, southerners and the vast majority do share my views based upon my re-search, they are not intrested in enforcing  afweyne type of central government and do not view the brotherhood of soomaliweyn connected to any kind of military adventurism. That hysteria and irrational phobia  has been mainly coming from northerners and I think it has to do with the political agenda of fostering unity between northerners by screaming about an  imagined threat posed by orchs of Somali koonfurians. It is not a coincidence that during Ramadaan  the old man in Hargesaa had to call  bunch of guul-wade journalsts and basically sell them the imagined tale of Barre 's incarnated corps like dhagdheer was doing a large scale invasion of small  dusty town named Tukuraq. While everyone in the briefing room and those who followed it  understood this was a simple tribal skirmish. The old man  had to use  scare tactics by stating "dagaal aan ku jirna". If I recall it correctly only one critical jorunalist had the the guts to spill it out and and call the whole incident for what it was. A simple tribal skirmish.

 

By the way, regarding the borders, I do not have a problem with them but  it's tragic when I see a somali using the colonial lines drawn line drawn by a few white gaalo men in a  beer filled room in Berlin. Whats more tragic to see is that to see a Somali using these map-lines as a form a xirsi, seeking barako from it.  Yaab!  Ar niman cadaan ah oo cayilsan warkhad xun ey khariirad ku qoreen waxba kuma tareyso ee iska tuur yaakhay.

 

 

 

 

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[Dahireeto]

The problem with Somaliland foreign policy is Sacad. He is not that competent. 

[Holac]

Xaaji, saxib times have changed. Somalia  has a permanent government recognized by the world. We, the unionist camp, have the political edge now.  The much hated transitional government ended long ago. I think Somaliland needs a team of experts to figure out a way forward. The status quo is making the people of Somaliland stagnate economically and socially. Development is moving fast in the rest of Somalia as internal dissent grows in Somaliland. Somaliland is also on the verge of a brutal civil war.  I don't believe anyone with a right mind believes Somaliland is on a sustainable path.

Come up with a real solution saxib. 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Let me tell you thing the day Somaliland in 1991 re declared independence on the basis of the 26 June independence of Somaliland is  the day that the future of Somaliland  has changed and that of the horn of Africa  and the Somali peninsula. Anigu I am not really impressed by the  so called  sfg  entity its  a dysfunctional  enttity toothles to say the least it has no  strong institutions army it's a govt on life support  one thing we have to all agree koonfurians have failed the past 30 years to build something.  It was  oday siilanyo who believed perhaps talks can work and  maye we can cover some area of cooperation.  Somalia has to be many masters to many countries whith negative interests qatar Kenya Ethiopia  America to many hands this recogntion is useless it's only used to beg Europeans for money support alliances  and the piracy and terrorism problem there. Alshabaab is stronger  than ever Somaliland broke the biggest wall with the dp  world the geopolitical war  the Saudis and the Emirates started against qatar was a blessing for us the houthis  asxaabul .fiil  remnants being karbaashed by the khaleeji it's also positive for Somaliland. Somaliland and Somalia are on two different sides in this geopoltical war in Somalia. Mogadishu is on the turkey Qatari Sudan alliances. Somalikand is on the Emirates sacuudi alliances . Hada gorayo loo heeso idina haad baad u heesaysan. I think interesting time awaits us. I think president cigaal and president rayaale had a good strong foreign policy we need to 're adopt allot of core principles and guidlines from that era.

[Old_Observer]

I think negotiation is best to be done on all issues and also on main question. SFG should not depend so much on IC and think can ignore Somaliland and Somaliland should not depend too much on SFG being weak.

Otherwise some outside circumstances may come up and nobody will be happy.

Who would have thought Sudan would let go South, but American European pressure and Egyptian sabotage.Who would have thought Ethiopia would let go Eritrea, but herself became close to death.

 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Good points  observer.  Though John garang splm had allot of backing from evangelical Christians republican elites the USA.  I  remmeber during the bush administration robert gates  defense minister of the USA.  Wanted  to swift towards Somaliland but regionial actors were against it in particular Mubarak.  Though Meles zenawi was for it.

[Tallaabo]

6 hours ago, Old_Observer said:

I think negotiation is best to be done on all issues and also on main question. SFG should not depend so much on IC and think can ignore Somaliland and Somaliland should not depend too much on SFG being weak.

Otherwise some outside circumstances may come up and nobody will be happy.

Who would have thought Sudan would let go South, but American European pressure and Egyptian sabotage.Who would have thought Ethiopia would let go Eritrea, but herself became close to death.

 

Excellent points OO. The only thing SFG has in its favour is international recognition and that is not something a country can depend on for unity. There are over 200 countries in the world each with their own interests and any of these countries can seriously undermine your sovereignty as was seen in the DP World saga if interests clash. The only guarantor for a nation's unity and sovereignty is the goodwill of its own citizens or an overwhelming military. Turkey's entire security and foreign policy is dominated by the need to keep its Kurdish region by any means possible. They make friends and enemies based on this Kurdish issue. The pillars of China's foreign and security polities are concerned with the need to prevent Taiwan, Tibet, and other regions breaking away. Spain is struggling and there are others in this sort of mess. On the other hand countries like the United Kingdom and Canada are less concerned about spending blood and sweat on keeping national unity because their unity is protected by the goodwill of their citizens. Referendums were readily granted to separatist regions to choose their political destiny but the residents of those regions chose to remain with the rest and frustrated those who wanted out. America is not concerned about its states breaking away because those states want the union. 

I think koonfuria needs to come up with a better strategy if it wants to keep Somaliland in the union instead of relying on the opinion of the international community. 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Well said tallaabo the Turks indeed are willing to die to keep  Kurdistan with Turkey.  Mention pkk and Armenian genocide to a Turk. And it will get very sensitive issue controversy baddan. The  Kurds are unlucky  but  atleast they have a autonomy state under the shia  rule of Iraq 

Koonfurians have no selling point  why would Somaliland unite with xamar. The same amisom guys are still there . And jihadist still kill people. You need more than a language and isku bariis banu cuna  to forge ties. Unionism is dead there is absolutely no willingness on both sides it takes 2 tango no one in hargeysa wants to be ruled by amisom or The cheese  representative of amisom ilaahoow Uganda wax hanooga darin iyo muusafaanin ninka layidha

[Tillamook]

1 hour ago, Tallaabo said:

 

I think koonfuria needs to come up with a better strategy if it wants to keep Somaliland in the union instead of relying on the opinion of the international community. 

Please elaborate further...what exactly would you recommend to "Koonfuria" to keep Somaliland in the "union"?

[Holac]

Xaaji wants Capital be moved to Hargeisa. He wants the power center to be shifted from Koonfuria to Northia.

 

 

[Old_Observer]

49 minutes ago, Holac said:

Xaaji wants Capital be moved to Hargeisa. He wants the power center to be shifted from Koonfuria to Northia.

 

 

Having Capital city is really a drag. Poor people, lazy people, thieves, swindlers..gather around government house. I would choose a major project like Electricity generation, industrial scale and modern farm, railroad....Pharmaceutical farms and industry...rather than capital city.

 

[Tillamook]

19 hours ago, Holac said:

Xaaji wants Capital be moved to Hargeisa. He wants the power center to be shifted from Koonfuria to Northia.

 

 

I think you’re under-estimating the ill thought ambitions of secessionist politicians in the north. What they want is either the presidency or the premiership handed to them on a silver plate; as if their is a single individual or group in the south that can muster that kind of power to give to them.

What these northern politicians forget is that the 60’s are way behind us and the days when politicians from the north and south would horse-trade the two highest offices of the land are now long gone.

Since then we’ve had a socialist revolution that turned into a dictatorial regime, which then led to a civil war that we are still recovering from, nearly 30 years on.

Equality, justice and democratic competition in politics is the only forward for Somalia— and so Somaliland politicians should ready themselves to take part and compete fairly, if they are ever to get elected to the presidency or PM positions, respectively.