Bambina Posted April 22, 2004 Salam , Garab tuujiye , what wouldnt I be surprised to read your reply? Like always you like to come to Qac Qaac's rescue , both true partners in crimes , one is Dr Jekyll and the other Mister Hyde , I see .To be honest the fact that you think alike scares me a little bit Well tuujiye , I've never guessed that feminism which mainly focuses on women's rights in the society was a bunch of crap to you.I do understand you , after all what would some men like you care about women? But you said feminism is haraam and bad , so I challenge you , prove me the opposite brother. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qac Qaac Posted April 23, 2004 all the things we said to u, all these time was proves, and it is no point proving it to u, coz u'll just argue about it. how about we just leave it at that....Bombina... but i am sorry sis, but the 5 questions u wrote up there, are not what feminism stand for.. as i said, that is what they tell the girls.. to emanicipate u guys, as if u guys were in jail before.. and just destroy u guys... devorce is high among muslim ppl now ask any local imam he will tell u, why because we are adapting to feminist way.. and we are suffering... Bombina i always thought u were better than this, to actually defend a movement, that is made by a non-believer to give u guys right... i am not against women getting rights...but i want the men, women, trees, environment, animals.. everything to get their rights.... and only islam does give everything their own rights... what u gave about feminist has nothing to do with the actual movement's objective... to get the same pay... i don't think men are against that... yee idinka waalin gabdhoo these movements, and yee idin dhigin wada nin la'aan this movement ee ka hara.. my advice.... p.s. bombina no name calling, just stick with the topic... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bambina Posted April 23, 2004 Salam , Again you failed to notice the positive sides of feminism and I think you're doing it on purpose just to prove yourself that what you say is right. And since you mentionned that you did some research , Im interested to know in what book or website did you get your definitions.Cuz Im pretty sure the way you portray feminists doesnt exist anywhere. And yes as for the rise of divorce , it might be due to men as well to women. Unlike you I dont only use feminism to explain the rise of divorce in muslim communities it might be adultery and lack of responsabilities of both gender or even physical or emotionnal abuses. And since you have enough knowledge of Islam Im sure our religion preaches equality between men and women ,rights that feminists preach too and dont say the opposite. And as for calling feminists non-believers I think you meant non-muslims because a non-believer is someone who doesnt believe in God and associate partners with God ,and does not believe in the messengers of God. So did you mean non-muslims or atheists? I do believe atheism is not preached by feminists in case this is was you meant. So brother you can ignore my response or answer by coming up with some real facts because you're the one who's getting all emotionnal here.This will be the last time I reply to your posts concerning feminism and if you want to have the last word so be it , I wont refuse you this satisfaction , since its one of your hobbies.Salam. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Valenteenah. Posted April 23, 2004 Bambina, Sweetheart, I wouldn't waste my breath if I were you. The feminist discussion has been exhausted in other threads with no positive outcome. Let it go sis...No point in flogging a dead horse. QQ, So, whenever Darman posts, its because he wants to hook up with a SOL sista eh? First it was OG-girl, then DA, who's next? Anagaa wax aragnay... *Shakes head* Regarding the topic; There's too much pressure put on young girls to get married these days. Often to the point that they would marry anything and ultimately end up being one of those dreaded 'single mothers'.. The number of very young single or separated mothers (in their early 20s) is rising fast, which is so sad. They dont have much support, no-one gives a shit about them (being a divorcee is still stigmatised...even a divorced guy wouldn't want to marry a divorced woman). Despite all this, however, we still continue to advocate for girls to marry at a young age. So we can end up with even more single mothers? So we can have more juvenile delinquents from broken families, who grow up to be irresponsible and unproductive members of society? WoW...what a future we have ahead of us. My position is fairly simple...everyone (male or female) should complete their formal education, or gain some professional skills at the very least, before they attempt to get married in order to provide well for their families (notice the emphasis placed on 'well'...relying on council housing and benefits does not apply). Marry at 25 or onwards...where one is still young, but with more maturity, capability and education. What's wrong with that? eh? Answer me damn you! Having said that, we are all destined for different things, therefore I dont think it really matters at what age one gets married. As a hundred ppl already said, wixii kuu qoran waad heleysaa, God willing. Raxmah, Sweetie, I feel for you walaahi. But at least your relatives care. LoL...my relatives have never approached the subject with me, which is a little mystifying. The only thing they ever question me on is school, 'have u finished ur degree? what about your masters? why dont u apply for a job with this or that organisation?'. Being a geek has some advantages after all. I suspect they all think I'll never get married. SomeAlein...make space for this potential gumeys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qac Qaac Posted April 23, 2004 Bombina, u told me to prove it, and as i just said, u didn't accepted so u know what u r right... mac salaama.. Barwaaqo... read what the guy said. don't just talk out of nothing... p.s. about the difference between non-believer, and a non-muslim i let u say it... i don't need anymore arguement with anyone, anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuCkY Posted April 23, 2004 Lol@YaLL...*UnbeLievabLe* GUMAYS=OWL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qac Qaac Posted May 8, 2004 Lucky walaahi waad dhibadantahay, maxaa usoo faagtay topickaan. huh. in aad wax biloowdid again hayye. dhibleey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuCkY Posted May 8, 2004 Excuse Me...I dont know what u are taLking about here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qac Qaac Posted May 8, 2004 excuse me, kulahaa ma dhaga la'ahay... excuse u.. aan ku dhahay adiga yariisay, koolba aariyo yee kugu dhicin, ee is qari. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SomeAlien Posted May 8, 2004 Where's the Washing Machine? by Talal Sarwani There's a very interesting worldwide phenomena taking place among the Muslim youth of today. Everyone's favorite bit of Sunnah has become the advice of the Prophet(SA'AS) to get married asap. Alhamdulillah, the wisdom of that advice is nothing short of Divine, but the abuse of that advice is causing much trouble in the Ummah today. That trouble has manifested itself into the most hated of what is Halal: Talaq (Divorce). Kids are getting married right and left, lost in some romanticized version of what married life seems to be about, and the second they find themselves stuck in a mud of responsiblity, it's time to flip out the cell phone and SMS your significant other: I divorce you I divorce you I divorce you Indeed, it is a time of cowards. So I set out to investigate what was causing this desperate desire for the Great Hookup. What did I find? Were the beards really growin and the brows left un-threaded? Were the kufis being worn and the hijabs being tightened? Was the thawb and the 'abaya truly being donned? Was the scent of 'oud aromafying the surroundings? Read on, brothers and sisters, read on for the truth.... The number one danger towards the one who is single, is to be around those who have newly become doubles. It's been refferred to in the past as The Fever. The Fever is not just the feeling that one needs to get hitched, it's the malady that causes such feelings simply from having attended the hitching ceremonies of all-too-many people in an all-too-short amount of time. For proof of the existence of this syndrome, please go up to any brother (Though I claim to know their perspective as well, out of respect, I shall take the fifth as far as sisters are concerned) during the summer, especially during this Summer of a Thousand Weddings. You'll hear the usual talk of empty hearts needing companionship, of guys swooning over she who looked back and if you're around one after someone else's wedding, a feeling of slight dejection rather than complete happiness for his just betrothed brother and sister. The Fever is a powerful thing, taking over the life of he or she who is stung by it, causing him or her to find themselves raising their hands to Allah every night, asking for either the filling of their empty hearts or at the very least a respite from their feelings. So, brothas and sistas, if you find yourself in this most unwanted predicament, the prescription is as follows: Step 1: Lower your gaze Step 2: Pray for the feeling to go away Step 3: Lower your gaze Step 4: Don't talk to others about your predicament (you'll realize they're in the same hole, and then the both of you will wallow in each others misery) Step 5: Lower your gaze Rinse. Spit. Repeat. InshaAllah The Fever should soon subside and all will be back to normal. HOWEVER, say the ol' heart sparks at the just barely-sighted-glance of a certain someone, then be sure to follow the following steps. Now, keep in mind this is the ONLY accpetable follow-up to that "cue the chorus" moment. Consider this your final warning not to join certain committees of certain organizations, "accidentally" finding certain someones sitting there. BONUS: Step 6: ISTIKHARA TIME!!!!!!!! Possible Step 7 for Brothers: Be a Man. Call her parents. Possible Step 7 for Sisters: Just sit there all coy and shy (I keed, I keed). This prescription is signed and endorsed by Shayk (of the Polaroid Picture kind) Ishq ibn Al-Hubbatani, so you better believe it works. There is however a lot more that contributes to the I Think I Love You, Marry Me syndrome plaguing the Ummah today. The majority of these causes rests in the realm of what a brother once said: "Blame it on the Deen". The Romantic Islam As a preface to what follows, let me say that this topic includes far more than I can write about in this space, so I'm not gonna cover anything... I mean everything. There's literally an incredible amount of things that fall into The Romantic Islam, but I'll just touch upon these two of varyingextremes, to give you just a taste of what I mean. I'm using the word romantic not in the sense of an ideal, but in the plain old Qais/Majnu/Romeo and their Lailas/Juliet sense. These are those bits (according to the very doubtable research done for this) of Islam that when people gain knowledge of them, at a certain time of their lives, in that certain state of mind, all havoc lets loose, the hearts opens up in need, and the shaitaan is called in for playtime. You... complete... me... When Tom Cruise uttered those words to his love in Jerry McGuire, the heart of every woman in movies theaters around the world let out a collective sigh. If only they knew what Muslimahs had already known for centuries, or at least what they did, once, know. I'm referring to the oft-repeated hadith of the Lone Hearted: Narrated by Anas, who reported that the Prophet(SA'AS) said: When a man marries, he has fulfilled half of his religion... We are the creations of a Creator who knows our innards better than we know our names, so when we experience this wisdom that has been passed down to us, our hearts yell: SUBHANALLAH!!! I NEED to get married. Let's just face it, this hadith makes everyone feel good about things, and is among the greatest proliferators of Wandering Heart technology. Do note the ",,,", because you rarely ever hear the rest of the hadith: so let him fear Allah regarding the remaining half. 'Nuff said, yo. Fo schizzle. Sweet Nothings Ahem, the following is a very interesting tidbit. It's something I gleaned from a brother in whom the desire to be wed was knawing at him from the inside. We were in a room with just pillows on the floor to chill on. It of course happened to be a time of someone else's wedding, which is why I just sat relaxing after a long night of partying with the *cough*aunties*cough*. So, this brother comes up to me, with a copy of Sahih Bukhari of all things, and he prompts me to read: Volume 2, Book 21, Number 258: Narrated 'Aisha : After offering the Sunna of the Fajr prayer, the Prophet used to talk to me, if I happen to be awake; otherwise he would lie down till the Iqama call was proclaimed (for the Fajr prayer). "Alright", I thought, "so?". He plopped himself down onto the floor, and with a bleary-eyed look, said: "Wouldn't it be amazing to have someone to talk to when you walk up a little early for Fajr?". Let's just say he didn't take too kindly at me falling over from laughter nor my suggestion that he could always give me a call anytime he feels lonely at that hour. If you're in this state. brothers and sisters, please follow the prescription given to you above, and inshaAllah spare the rest of us from stomach-hurting hilarity. The End of This Alas, all great things come to an end, as must this column. I just barely touched upon what I really wanted to talk about, but my mind is not in a state of organization, so I leave you with this little conclusion. Realize that marriage isn't a joke or little fling you go through. It's a responsibility, where the third party in the trust between a husband and wife is Allah. All this talk of love and all that jazz is a distraction, so pay little attention to it. There is ONE person for whom you are meant, inshaAllah, so take care of your personal half of your deen, and Allah will provide you with the best of companionship. Take the halaal way, and you'll feel it yourself. The second the Nikah is done, the man and woman are infused with a feeling of rahmah towards each other granted to them by Allah. It's akin to that sudden mercy felt by one who has just become a parent. It's not something you can understand beforehand. There's lots of things in Islam that stir the hearts, but they are there to convince you of the correctness of the Straight Path. Don't let the shaitaan lead you astray when he discovers the state of your heart and mind. Seek refuge and establish trust in Allah, for that is the only way to keep yourself on the Sirat-Al-Mustaqeem. Someone once questioned the hurried rush to marriage seen in the Ummah, and couldn't understand how they took that step when they didn't even have a way of supporting a family. "When you're capable of getting her the washing machine, then you're ready to begin a life together". So, I humbly bow out, going back to saving a little every two weeks, so that I can inshaAllah buy whatever washing machine her heart desires http://www.hidayaonline.com/archives/000033.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arwa Posted May 8, 2004 ^^ Long but Intresting Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paragon Posted May 8, 2004 Originally by nur: My point is education makes us more analytical to the point we over analyse any option out till one day we realize that we are reached paralysis by analysis , the famous cliche. Lol. I have been saying this for sometime. Good to hear it again . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites