Somaliland's biggest army base to be established in Tukaraq

[Che -Guevara]

The events in Somalia might have shape how Somalis view themselves or sovereignty over any region of Somalia but it does not change the internationally recognized borders of Somalia. Any secessionist region in the world can declare independence!

 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Somaliland is not a secessionist region. We just set the clock back to 26 June 1960. Somaliland was never part of Somalia.  Somaliland was part of a union called the Somali republic. Which ceased to exist in 1991 when we removed General afweyne from power and 're established Somaliland statehood.  Somaliland is not a region of Somalia the 2 United both willingly no region was superior to the other. So Somaliland can never be a renegade province of Somalia.  As most koonfurians claim  when they tell their one sided history. The African union back in 2005 said somaliland case is unique in Africa. The koonfurians know this to. They will lose the political and legal and historic debate thats why they  let the talks collapse  back in 2015.  We know koonfurians very well the anti Somaliland camp has no justification for their narrative no legality no poltical claim over Somaliland.

[Suldaanka]

5 minutes ago, Che -Guevara said:

The events in Somalia might have shape how Somalis view themselves or sovereignty over any region of Somalia but it does not change the internationally recognized borders of Somalia. Any secessionist region in the world can declare independence!

 

Somaliland's situation is unique. I don't want to sound like a broken record. But lets just agree to disagree here. 

[Mooge]

another wayduushay fantasy.

[Che -Guevara]

30 minutes ago, Suldaanka said:

 I don't want to sound like a broken record.

Me neither but the simple fact is Somaliland is a defacto state but it is not legally recognized. And there was no nothing or mechanisms in the old Somali constitution that would facilitate secession or amicable separation not even if the constitution  was replaced. The colonial borders cease to exist once the unification took place.

 

 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

The colonial borders are intact matter infact general afweyne gave up on Somali ethno expansion when he  made a deal with mengistu in April 1988 in Djibouti to never reclaim the Somali kililis as part of the greater somali nation.The colonial borders is what keeps Africa from going into chaos and ethnic groups claiming territories of different countries.  Somaliland case is actually very similar to Eritrean case of statehood different  histories different colonial rulers different political cultures. One could even make the case the union was never ratified and that the  unity of Somalia and Somaliland was never legal to begin with that's why col Hassan  kayd walanwal and his attempt to make Somaliland an independent state again  in 1961 was never really persecuted.  Also the  constiution of  the somali republic was mostly rejected in Somaliland. 

[Che -Guevara]

Eritrea became independent with Ethiopia's blessing. Ethiopia and Eritrea agreed on a referendum. It didn't unitarily declared independence.

[Mooge]

23 minutes ago, Amigos said:

There are plenty of examples of two independent sovereign states forming a union, and upon realising it is not working out, reclaiming their former colonial borders. Look no further than Singapore and Malaysia, Senegal and Gambia, Egypt and Syria... etc. 

unilateral ... think think .... think about what Che is saying niyoow. loool

you can't declare shit on your own niyoow. it must come from both sides and rest of Somalia must bless the end of union niyoow. there was no agreement that said you can just take off niyoow. once it became country (modern nation - post colonial Africa), declaring fantasy separation is a waste of time.  no Somali person ever bless it unless you find a corrupt HAG guy (which is possible) as president and another parliament that approves his treason.

until then niyoow just keep waiting to be recognized. the rest of us proud somalis are happy with that.

[Samafal]

The colonial borders were cancelled by the union of Italian Somalia and British Somaliland, to form the Somali Republic. That is the only legal entity the world knows and recognises. Any thing else is delusion iyo marqaan.

[Che -Guevara]

48 minutes ago, Amigos said:

 

This is Africa, claiming that colonial borders ceased to exist is borderline retarded. 

We are talking about Somalia, pay attention.

Senegal and Gambia was a loose federation meant to stop instability in the Gambia. There was no actual integration. Singapore was kicked out of Malay Federation, it was essence forced to become an independent. And Nasser decided to not exercise military once Syria declared independence. Somaliland can only achieve independence through:

1. Mutual consent [Scottish/Quebec referendum]

2. Consent through force [Eritrea].

3. Consent by championed superpowers [South Sudan]

I don't see all any of that happening and there is no legal basis either as borders came to exist once the permanent unification took place.

[Che -Guevara]

When OAU was formed in 1963 and the issue of colonial borders made it to the floor in 1964, Somalia [founding member] was already unitary state whose constitution explicitly stated the inviolability of the Somali Republic territory.

The Cairo Summit was not designed to retroactively undo existing post-colonial borders.

[gooni]

Magaca ciiddan meel baa looga dhacay runtii aad baana loogu tuntay.

Sidiisaba ka mid noqoshada ciidanku sharuudo badan buu lahaan jiray

kow inuu dherer xadiddan leeyahay caafimaadkiisana la baaro asagoo dharka laga dhigay maskax ahaan iyo jir ahaanba

Tababar fiican qaato loona tiriyo dharkii uu xiran lahaa loo sheego xaqa uu mujtamaca ku leeyahay iyo kan asaga lagu leeyahay iyo sharuudaha ana  ciqaabta ka imaan karta haduusan kasoo bixin waajibka saaran, ilaaliyana nadaafadda kabihiisa ilaa timihiisa

Haybad dhisan yaa mushtamaca lagusoo dari jiray.

Hadduu arko shacab ikhtilaaf dhex maray wuxuu oran jiray isoo daba ilaa saldhigga,  asagoon hubaysnayn qof ka leexan karay jidka uu ku hor wado ma jirin, xataa hadday tiradoodu labaatan kor udhaafto.

Iminka waxa ciidanka lagu sheegayo indhahooda markaad aragto yaa baqdinta ugu horaysa kuu bilaabanaysaa. 

Sharuudaha lagu qoro waxaa ka mida 

1- inuusan ilko lahayn indhuhuna soo jeed ku casaadeen.

2- inuusan surwaalka kor u ceshan      karin kabo la'aana socon karo

3- inuu dad hore soo dilay ama kasoo  qayb qaatay dagaal beeloodyo magac dheer leh.

4- Waa inuusan ordi karin wax ka badan sodon mitir

Tan ugu muhiimsan waa inuu ogaadaa inuu labiska u qaatay siduu u difaaci lahaa danaha beesha iyo maslaxadda kala dhaxaysa dawladaha dariskaa

Ciidanada qaranka laysku dirayo waa noocaas iyo waliba kuwa kaydka ku jira oo soo dhaafin marfashka lagu qayilo.

 

 

 

 

[Suldaanka]

7 hours ago, gooni said:

Sharuudaha lagu qoro waxaa ka mida 

1- inuusan ilko lahayn indhuhuna soo jeed ku casaadeen.

2- inuusan surwaalka kor u ceshan      karin kabo la'aana socon karo

3- inuu dad hore soo dilay ama kasoo  qayb qaatay dagaal beeloodyo magac dheer leh.

4- Waa inuusan ordi karin wax ka badan sodon mitir

Tan ugu muhiimsan waa inuu ogaadaa inuu labiska u qaatay siduu u difaaci lahaa danaha beesha iyo maslaxadda kala dhaxaysa dawladaha dariskaa

Meleeshiya beeleedka koonfurta Somaliya ayaad si fiican u cabirtay. Waana sababta meesha u dagi la dahay. 

Dadka hore umaray ee Somaliland ayay inta afka ku so tagaan, halka ay kaga dayan lahaayeen wanaaga iyo kala danbaynta iyo professionalismka. 

[Che -Guevara]

15 hours ago, Amigos said:

What constitution?

The one that was rejected in Somaliland in 1961?  

The one that was abrogated by Afweyne's Supreme Revolutionary Council Coup in 1969?  

 

It was one accepted by the majority of the citizens. In any case, Somaliland has no recognition and it will be remain so for the foreseeable future. It is just another tribal authority.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

52 minutes ago, Che -Guevara said:

It was one accepted by the majority of the citizens. In any case, Somaliland has no recognition and it will be remain so for the foreseeable future. It is just another tribal authority.

Che, tell him Yariisoowga that also gobolka Hiiraan's residents did not approve aftiga loo qaaday axdigaas too because Sh. Cali Jimcaale, who was a fierce opponent of Aaden C/lle Cismaan and a fellow politician elected from Hiiraan, campaigned against it. The partial populace of Waqooyi residents who voted against it had nothing to do with gooni goosad or anything. It was purely advocated against by some politicians and those nomads (who did not read) only believed what their local politicians were peddling them. It however was overwhelmingly voted by the rest of Soomaalis and became inviolable law of the country.