Prime-Minister Abiy Ahmed Visits Mogadishu

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

For Somaliland and Djibouti it's better that Eritrea and Ethiopia stay at war the no peace and no war situation is just fine. I am.already hearing hardline tigrians opppose  giving badme to Eritrea.

[galbeedi]

6 hours ago, Duufaan said:

positive things coming from Somalia, people are recovering the drought with Allah gift of more than enough rain. Printing money will be another big positive step.

Of course , if people unite their "Quluub" and trust in Allah good things will come. On the issue of printing money, I was hoping that Somlia would adopt a new or revised currency with logical and feasible money which must be different than current denominations which is too much to carry for everyone. So far what I heard or seen is they just want to keep the same old money and add a 5000 paper denominations.

4 hours ago, Old_Observer said:

The only criterion for a government in Somalia should be controlling territory. No progress in that should be thrown out. Let alone industry or big economy a nomad cannot plan or manage life where to take herd to grassy areas, where there is no public authority or government.

. OO, that is exactly how they should be judged. After two years of running around and projecting certain image , if they can't pass Afgooye or Balcad,  they must be considered a failure. If they can not pass the Mogadishu green zone , they have no right to talk about ports or other problems rising from this region. 

Of course Farmaajo should welcome him and play along, but he should know that respect for the republic is earned with us Somalis. He should know that a false image or propaganda will not replace hard results on the ground. 

 

The fact is the so called ports issue must wait until Somalia earns a government that could defend its legitimacy and enforce its constitutional demands. Everything else is the usual " Xadhig Jiid" of Somalia.

OO,

The Saudis have a short term goal defeating the Houthies in Yemen, and they are willing to bring as much ma power they could get. The defeat of the Houthies will happen sooner or later. The Houties must accept truce or get crushed because as a northern minority, they can not rule Yemen by force, and Iran must not be allowed to threaten Meca and Medina. We all agree on that.So far no one knows the real intensions of Asais of Eritrea.He survived a 20 year of embargo and isolation, and now he might get his wish what ever that is.

Certainly Djibouti will lose. Everyone knew that Djibouti dictator Cumar Ghelle was eating more than he could chew. We all knew that you can not domesticate America and China to play in the same playgrounds as friends while they are competing for global leadership.  You can't rent your country to the whole world without paying a price like prostitutes. Insignificant entities like Somaliland who based their whole existence through one single port--Berbera-- targeted to Ethiopia will also lose economically.

4 hours ago, Old_Observer said:

What Somalia can really compete with small investment is Agriculture to feed all gulf Arabas. That is big business. Every body have to eat. Food business is best. But needs peace and order.

The world market is bigger than the Gulf Arabs. The Somali agricultural products and livestock could go to China and Asia. There are 200 million Pakistanis just across the Indian ocean. Folks, Somali ports doesn't revolve  around Ethiopia. Imported goods could exports through well organized airplane cargo system to Uganda, Rwanda and other land locked countries. The world GDP is more the 50 trillion, and you could get some of that through trade.

Yet, if you are mesmerized by the few millions thrown by the rich gulf boys, and lose the main focus of getting the country to it's feet, then you are doomed. 

Farmaajo should know that the only parameter that he must be judged is: Does he in control of country?, does he pacified the capital, Shabbee, Hiiran and Jubba?, not how many security relations you signed with Kenya , Ethiopia or Qatar. 

 

The good news is Farmaajo got another eight months before his second anniversary to work harder and improve things. If not, by then, some of us will be coing after you with our  big knives out. You are warned. You either will be a Somali government with reasonable capacity or Mogadishu green zone government .

 

 

 

[Duufaan]

Xaaji

Why it is better?. Do not you know believe Allah is created. Israq for each person. Ports are not for economic prosperity. It is more strategic trade opportunity. A country to be experiencean economic prosperity, It has to produce  goods

 You can simply relied the rent of your port.

[galbeedi]

UK, a small island in Europe has more GDP than the combined GDP of the Arab league. In fact before the oil boom of the last fifteen years, the GDP of Spain was almost equal to that of the Arab league.

If you got the land, the sea, the agriculture , mining and strategic location, you must build your trade routes. Huge wealth could be created quickly, but one must know and believe that the  nation and it's wealth is enough more than the small hungry tribe who fears poverty.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Duufaan yes arsaaq is given by Allah. Imam  shaafici said risq is given by Allah. Allah is the provider where as imam Maliki said you have to work for it. But duufaan this is politics and economics. Every country is protecting its own interest economic interests.  Ethiopia being land locked serves us. For us in Somaliland and In djibouti  we have to turn the red sea and the Indian ocean into maritime comerical hubs. Which will create allot of revenues. Export fish and the products into Ethiopia 

[Suldaanka]

Where are those that were predicting end of the worlds when Somaliland, Ethiopia and UAE inked their agreements? Lots of them were foaming from the mouth. Ethiopia is taking over Berbera was the battle cry.

 

[Suldaanka]

On 6/17/2018 at 1:59 AM, Samafal said:

I think the four ports that they will invest are Berbera, Bosaso, Mogadishu and Kismayo. This, I think is to quel the Somalia- UAE fall out on DP world. Expect Somalia reaching understanding with UAE in the next few weeks and months on this.

The four ports could be Bosaso, Hobyo, Mogadish and Kismayo for all it is worth. 

 

[Ifiye]

Dekaddaha Hobyo, Muqdisho yo Marka umaleeynmaayo in eey kamidyihiin Dekaddaha Amxaarada isha kuheeyso.

Baraawe is the top of the list.   Boosaaso, Kismaayo, iyo Berbera Amxaaro cidi kamaxigto.

[Che -Guevara]

Whatever the case is, a nation with comprised sovereignty should not enter into these sorts of complicated agreements that will only benefit one side.

A simple MOE with Kenya is causing Somalia such a headache. If you lack the expertise, have no control over your borders, no standing army and is missing the constitutional or legislative tools, you should not be in the business of making agreements such magnitude. 

And this rush to port auctioning will limit Somalia's abilities to produce anything. We are already importing almost everything. 

[gooni]

Boqol milyan hadday maslaxad ku darsadaan toban milyan oo maskaxdooda iyo muruqoodu midaysnayn khatar badan baa ka imaan karta

Badda waxaa ku jira nooc kaluun ah oo ilaaliya isu dheeli tirka noocyada kaluunka

beeraha waxaa cuna cayayaan fara badan hadana waxaa ku dhex jira kuwa ka difaaca baabi'inta dalagga

Dhirta sidoo kale qaar baa xididkoodu qalajiyaa kuwa ag dhaw ama nafaqeeyaa taas badelkeed.

Waxaan aaminsanahay kooxdaan ka dagaalamaysa soomaaliya waxay ku dagaalamayaan fikir ay aaminsanyihiin runtiina dhib badan bay u gaystaan shacabka daallan

Sidaas ooy tahay aragtidayda waa nooc ka mida isku dheeli tirka jiritaanka soomaaliya.

La'aantood maba soo dhafneen beriggii c/yuusuf villa soomaaliya u goglay amxaarka turjumaanka wata.

Cadawga koowaad ee soomaaliya waa federaalka kan labaadna waa kooxaha hubaysan oo isu arka inay keligood diinta wakiil nooga yihiin ayagoo inkirsan in diinteenu tahay dhexdhexaad wax sahasha marnaba ogolayn in la adkeeyo.

Markaan soo koobo aragtidayda soomaaliya kama bixi karto maal gelin itoobiya ayadoo loo eg yahay dawlado qabiil ku dhisan oo kala masaalax ah taasna waxay keenaysaa in mid walba meesheeda loogu geeyo qunsiliyad iyo jenaraal ay hoos tagaan wayna adkaan doontaa in laga lug baxo.

Dal aan xuduudkiisa ilaashan karin, heshiiskiisu waa fududeeyaha khataro badan.i

Dawladaan ha isku daydo inay maal gashato maskaxda dadka intay ka gaari kartana haka takhalusto maamul goboleedyada.

 

[Suldaanka]

On 17/06/2018 at 4:21 AM, galbeedi said:

A leader must reject crumbs thrown to him like rats. $50 million here, another $80 here isn't worth of the strategic relations they  are demanding from Somalia.The typical Somali will say, " beggars can't choose what are you complaining".

At least you have to give to Somaliland for being open and transparent about its affairs. 

No one knows how much the Turks paid (if any at all) for the 25 year management of Mogadishu Port. The same for Bosaso. No one knows about the share holding details. 

Anyway, it is good that our haters are falling over each other trying to to copy our lead. But in doing so, they are doing more harm to themselves than they get out of it. I honestly failed to see the the business case behind granting additional 4. Perhaps 1? But 4 ports? Can @Galbeedi and other Cheeseman apologists shed some light on the thinking behind this? 

[Old_Observer]

9 hours ago, Suldaanka said:

At least you have to give to Somaliland for being open and transparent about its affairs. 

No one knows how much the Turks paid (if any at all) for the 25 year management of Mogadishu Port. The same for Bosaso. No one knows about the share holding details. 

Anyway, it is good that our haters are falling over each other trying to to copy our lead. But in doing so, they are doing more harm to themselves than they get out of it. I honestly failed to see the the business case behind granting additional 4. Perhaps 1? But 4 ports? Can @Galbeedi and other Cheeseman apologists shed some light on the thinking behind this? 

Kismayu is in trouble. If Lamu goes ahead and the Ethiopian navy choses as base and Ethiopia Kenya build infrastructure and good roads, Kismayu will never develop except for local use.

If Berbera develops and infrastructure with Ethiopia is developed, Basasso will only serve Puntland. Remember distance is no such a big deal since you have to develop all anyway.

Each port starting Tajura, Djibouti, Zeila, Berbera, Basasso, Hobyo, Mogadishu....are all in competition with the regions inland behind them. Example kililka benefits more from Berbera than Djibouti and even better from Hobyo and Basasso since the infrastrcture roads will cover more of kililka.

[Holac]

Developing Hobyo as a port is a waste of resources. The money can be better spent on other ventures in the Central region. Mogadishu port can be expanded and it can serve Ethiopia closer if that is the intention. Central region is not developed and doesn't have the resources or population to justify a huge multi-million dollar investment. If a port in the South is meant to serve Ethiopian markets,  Mogadishu port is more practical.