Saalax Posted June 2, 2018 The green areas (Western Togdheer, eastern/southern Waqooyi Galbeed, Awdal and western/central Sanaag) is the United Northern States areas ( United Somaliland Front) headed by Mustafe Martin. Grey areas is Khaatumo/Maakhir. Those areas have no problem staying within future reformed federal Somalia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aroori Posted June 2, 2018 If Somaliland ever becomes part of the current Federal Somalia; it would be within the borders of the British Protectorate, or at most two federal states (Awdal, Waqooyi galbeed) (Sool, sanaag, Togdheer). what is drawn here is just an improbable imagination !! how do you connect those islands? would the current unratified constitution going to be amended to suit the -pure tribalistic- imagination of the artist? i thought it was [Laba gobol iyo wixii ka badan], but here the only intact gobol is Awdal. Everythng else is drawn willy-nilly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saalax Posted June 2, 2018 Aroori those are areas that have no ill feeling towards Somalia meaning not extreme secessionists.That is why differences has to be highlighted. We don't want the international community being fooled to think everyone is a extreme secessionist. So there is different categories of northerners in the map. 1. Outright unionists (Makhiir, Khaatumo) 2. Moderates (Central Somaliland, Sanaag and Awdal) 3. Extreme secessionists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aroori Posted June 2, 2018 28 minutes ago, Saalax said: Aroori those are areas that have no ill feeling towards Somalia meaning not extreme secessionists.That is why differences has to be highlighted. We don't want the international community being fooled to think everyone is a extreme secessionist. So there is different categories of northerners in the map. 1. Outright unionists (Makhiir, Khaatumo) 2. Moderates (Central Somaliland, Sanaag and Awdal) 3. Extreme secessionists. it is understandable from an anti succession point of view; or setting the account straight for that matter -int the mind of whoever- drew this "map", but from a practicality on the ground perspective, it is just unfeasible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saalax Posted June 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Aroori said: it is understandable from an anti succession point of view; or setting the account straight for that matter -int the mind of whoever- drew this "map", but from a practicality on the ground perspective, it is just unfeasible. How so. Khaatumo and Makhir areas are already recognized as not part of modern day Somaliland in every international map. Likewise if the communities of central Somaliland, Awdal and Sanaag quit the project that is what will happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aroori Posted June 2, 2018 Yes, in International politics Eastern sool, Eastern Sanaag, and Buhodle district are labaled as disputed. I am not also debating "IF"s and "BUT"s. What i don't get is how a future hypothetical Somaliland within the fold of a Somali Federal Government would look like, [Laba Gobol iyo wixii ka badan] being the emphasis. re-drawing or swapping land along tribal lines demarcation, often on a district level is just dangerous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maakhiri1 Posted June 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, Aroori said: [Laba Gobol iyo wixii ka badan] 2 Arooori, Lajifiyaana banaan, Have you forgotten about Galmudug? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aroori Posted June 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, maakhiri1 said: Arooori, Lajifiyaana banaan, Have you forgotten about Galmudug? LOL, Lajiifiyana banaan , waad iga qoslisay, Galmudug waxaaba la odhan karaa waaba hal gobol iyo badh, waana macquul marka la eego halka ay marayso caqliyada garasho ee soomaalidu, balse waxaan la yaabanahay; wadaajinta arrimo aan is lahay amaba aan is qaban [Illusory Correlation] sida ka muuqata jaantuska ku lifaaqan dhigmadan. somalidu waxay ku maahmaadaa geelow soco soco maalinkaad ciin daaqdaa laguu yaabaa, hadaba maalinkay Federal aanay waxba ka aqoon faraha la gashay ayaa loo yaabaa sidaan qabo. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saalax Posted June 2, 2018 23 minutes ago, maakhiri1 said: Arooori, Lajifiyaana banaan, Have you forgotten about Galmudug? Good point. Also the areas I mentioned are actually 4 gobols (Awdal, eastern/southern waqooyi galbeed, Western Togdheer and Sanaag) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maakhiri1 Posted June 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Aroori said: LOL, Lajiifiyana banaan , waad iga qoslisay, Galmudug waxaaba la odhan karaa waaba hal gobol iyo badh, waana macquul marka la eego halka ay marayso caqliyada garasho ee soomaalidu, balse waxaan la yaabanahay; wadaajinta arrimo aan is lahay amaba aan is qaban [Illusory Correlation] sida ka muuqata jaantuska ku lifaaqan dhigmadan. somalidu waxay ku maahmaadaa geelow soco soco maalinkaad ciin daaqdaa laguu yaabaa, hadaba maalinkay Federal aanay waxba ka aqoon faraha la gashay ayaa loo yaabaa sidaan qabo. Waa kugu raacsanahy 100%, Ma aaminsani FEDERAL wax yeelo mooye in wax taraayo, dadka inta badan taageerana ma fahansana, waxaaba la orankaraa runtii Waxa wadankeenu u baababey SOMALIDU dawladnimadaa cassriga ah inagu cusbeeyd, lafaha inaga gelin. Qaab dhismeedkii qabiilka, oo dadka qaar moodeen in ay ugu badiso, oo madaxa la galay. Waa eegna meesha ay ka degto. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aroori Posted June 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, maakhiri1 said: Waa kugu raacsanahy 100%, Ma aaminsani FEDERAL wax yeelo mooye in wax taraayo, dadka inta badan taageerana ma fahansana, waxaaba la orankaraa runtii Waxa wadankeenu u baababey SOMALIDU dawladnimadaa cassriga ah inagu cusbeeyd, lafaha inaga gelin. Qaab dhismeedkii qabiilka, oo dadka qaar moodeen in ay ugu badiso, oo madaxa la galay. Waa eegna meesha ay ka degto. Waa runtaa; nin reer xoolo dhaqato ah ama beer iska fasha, halbeegiisa ugu sareeya ee bulshana yahay INA ADEER ayay reer galbeed u keeneen wax-uusan ab iyo dhaxal toona u lahayn, weliba markaasaan la barin hab dhaqanka iyo farshaxanimada dhidibka u ah geedi socodkan doolka ah. Khayr ayay ku danbayn insha allah. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dahireeto Posted June 2, 2018 Federal system is the only system that can save Somalis from each other. Once it is defined and constitutionalized, it is harmless. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tillamook Posted June 2, 2018 I see the low jabs Aroori and Maakhiri are taking at the federalist project underway in Somalia, but I just want to make it clear to you all that of all the other modern political systems in place all over the world, federalism is the most practical for Somalis and the one we can get to the soonest after our recent civil war. Granted, the Somali people don’t understand much about federalism, but with time— I believe they will come around to seeing the inherent political benefits of federalism in managing their own local affairs and engaging, sharing and cooperating with their fellow Somalis. Nobody ever said the implementation of federalism would be a breeze and would lead to a perfect political system for Somalis. After all, politics generally is meant to be imperfect. Is jiid jiidkaan hada socota waa wax loo baahan yahay, waayo qof walba Soomaaliya waa inuu bartaa inuu aayihiisa iyo mustaqbalkiisu qof kale u daba fariissan. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wakandan Posted June 2, 2018 This map is more realistic than the nonsense Salaax is posting Maybe he'll have a successful career as a fantasy writer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saalax Posted June 3, 2018 Central Somaliland and Sanaag were not even part of Somaliland administration until 2002. Burco also used the Somalia shilling till 2010 . So kids duufka iska tirtira. It is up to the people of the central areas and Sanaag where they will join in the future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
