x_quizit Posted March 13, 2004 Hibo, im cool, no offense taken, just needed to make a point to the ignorant squad and if i seem serious, no ones takes lightly being called childish names, no need to name names, its obvious who. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qac Qaac Posted March 13, 2004 Did u actually think. that your IQ was higher believing FEMINISM IDEOLOGIES.... ahah looool. emotins, emotions, emotions. X quisit. lesson # 4 for u... controll your emotions. and ligthen up as Hibo said it looooool. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saalixa Posted March 14, 2004 Hmmmmmm, maybe you should just stick to Somali? How about that... LMAO!!!! Qac, Prez of Igorant Squad, yet again ur entertaining me with ur futile half brain thoughts. Bless ur miniscule brain. What a load of crap, feminists are lesbians? Pls do some reading ASAP, b4 jumping to conclusions. girls girls come down,,,, you eating up the poor guy,,,i think theres some big misconception here in this awful debate thats heading nowhere. opinionated i think you have a wrong notion of what ignorant is,,,speaking english doesn't make intelligent. Qac Qaac is only telling you guys what the quraan says---from an islamic perspective, and you cannot interepret and twist the prophets sayings to make it more westernised,,to suit your current situation--the quran does state that women should ramain at home- look after thier houshold aswell as studying and spreading dawa by teaching thier fellow brothers and sisters. so chill guys,,,the poor guy was being a brother, trying to help by giving you the right opinion. Pity you dont see him actually caring about you guys. And plus were is the respect ya'll grow up, this quarell actually sounds juvinille Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
underdog Posted March 14, 2004 Ok, Qasim Amin is fine, BUT what can you tell me about Gloria Steinman and her brand of feminism? Originally posted by x_quizit: What will u do when by chance ur husband may not be around to take care of u, maybe death or divorce, how will u provide for ur kids? How about a little faith in your man to be there for you and to come through for you always? Maybe you sould learn to read brail in case by chance you go blind. Or learn sign language...you never know. You can't play offence and defence at the same time, accept that marriage is a team effort, do your part and TRUST me to do mine. Your contingency planning will have real-time consequences. Maybe I should be on the look out for a substitute mother for my kids incase the wife is not around. It won't hurt to be prepared. So i say to the sistas, go on with ur education, and marry when u are financially secure, because God knows when one day, when bringing home the bacon might be on ur shoulders. ] Financially secure? Honestly, what does that mean? and how many people do you know that are there? what is the set goal in dollars that you have to have before you decide "ok now I'm ready"? how about some Imaan. Get an education, by useful to your community and your family but don't waste the most fruitful years of your life chasing a greedy capitalist dream that corrupts your mind excuse me laakin dadkiina waa iska hadashiin walaahi, didnt nabi (scw) marry khadija (ra) at age 45 or was it 40, i dont know, but the point being marriage and da' got nothing to do wit each other. Just my preference...if I'm allowed to have one besides y does it bother you guys if a girl doesnt wanna get married at a young age, I mean you aint the one whos gonna marry her You're right, Maryan, I'm not the one who's going to marry her and it's ultimately her choice, but I'm expressing an opinion. I see too many young girls pressured with the grand expectation of a professional careerand the search of "financial security" and I'm trying to illustrate that there is another choice. Hopefully some of the sisters in here will take the time to touch on that considering how rare it is. Rayaana, MashAllah, I appreciate your input and espcially appreciate your tact and diplomacy. If you ever decide to teach a class on self presentation. sign me up and I'll drag Qac qaac, tuugiye, opi, and xquizit along. Ignorant Squad All I can say to that is: The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
x_quizit Posted March 14, 2004 UD, just like you said you'd prefer to marry a young gal and not an "old hag" in her 40's, so to is my preference for not marrying a farax without some sort of nest egg of financial security, or job in mind. There is no set dollars of when u will be ready, thats all psychological and emotional readiness, which you can't put a price on, its all about the individual own time. U said trust ur man to provide for u, etc...of course you won't marry someone who is unable to fulfill their half of the marriage bargain, but life has twists and turns, and some of that comes in forms of death/divorce. So u still havent answered my q, how will the now widowed wife take care of her kids when her husband isnt around, if she didnt have a previous job or education to fall back on when the time comes? Or divorce and she's left with the burden of kids, and has to now go into the workforce b/c no one else is putting food on the table, paying for the bills, or clothes on their back. Let me give u an example, there are so many, but one comes to mind now. A woman was recently divorced b/c her husband didnt see the merit of taking care of his kids or his wife, and instead, chose his friends and booze over them, and yeah, he was a somali and a so called muslim. So if his wife didn't have a previous job as a nurse and education to fall back on, as we speak she and her kids would have been homeless b/c she doesnt have other family to fall back on. During the course of her marriage, she went back to school and had to take a job b/c her husband's job alone couldnt pay for all the bills and i commend her for helping him with that. Of course, not all men are like that, but u can't also turn your back to men like this. So check out both sides of the coin, instead of focusing only of the positive. Also some women stay with their husbands not b/c its a good marriage, but b/c they have no other means of support, therefore, I think its prudent for the woman to look ahead for unforseen circumstances and plan ahead for the what-ifs...would it hurt? p.s.-there are many brands of feminism and they range from radical, to anti-racist, so all feminists arent of like mind, and QAsim Amin's is what i like, b/c it only there to put pressure on the muslim countries to fulfill their obligations but giving women their rights that were already given in the Quran. I wouldn't promote anything that was in contradiction to my beliefs. peace Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaabir Posted March 14, 2004 Who is Qasim Amin? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuCkY Posted March 14, 2004 UD , Saving money and planning ahead is an OVERRATED excuse, if you haven't done it already you're screwed anyway. True but it wouLdnt hurt to save for the sake of saving. The quality of life you should be planning for and saving for isn't financial, you should be investing in how you can be a good wife and good mother....career planning and money can't buy that. ShouLdnt this go both ways?Besides why cant a Lady do career pLanning as weLL as being a good mother and spouse?Whats wrong with that?But i can see where u are coming from...I mean a Lady shouLdnt soLeLy focus on the money and career and forget about her naturaL duties. While you're focusing on youe "career", who's focusing on your maternal skills? or do those not need any work? they come naturally right. LoL...Some wouLd say that they do...aLthough I havent seen one practicing or attending cLasses on maternaL skiLLz. UD, weLl said overaLL. QQ , Pearl and you are, soldier in the army of the homeland security, lead by opi and X.... Dept ha ka hadlin.... adeeba kaa caddahee I hope U aint referring to me here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
x_quizit Posted March 14, 2004 Darman, Qasim Amin is widely known as the father of feminism and a liberator of women's rights in Egypt, at the end of the nineteenth to the early 20th century. He called for the emancipation of the woman and to reinstitute the rights that were granted to them by Islam. His first book on this subject was " The Liberation of woman and the new woman". He advocated for the importance of educating the woman, because without her, society won't progress fully. A lil' short history on him, if ud like more info, u can read more about him in his books. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qac Qaac Posted March 15, 2004 Muhammad Qasim, came out in 1900's century... after colonial.. he was fighting for the emanicupation of women.... loooool... did he come up some thing knew... against islam.. sis.. it is funny why all of a sudden when the british colonial was in egypt he came out. to educate them as if he is saying the older generations of muslims didn't teach them.. the idea of femenism goes against islam... untill u could prove to me it doesn't... rayaana. sis. it looks like. u the only one who understood me... but let's just make duah for the rest... they just see with one eye that's all sis.. and when u see them start calling me names... pls sis don't be surprised with them because that is what they use when they feel threaten.. coz they don't have enough knowledge to defend them.. so they defend each other by swearing at the ppl.. but anyways thanks for the support sis. keep up the good work... devil_care... no i didn't mean you, i mean Pearl.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miriam1 Posted March 15, 2004 knock knock..hmh, yea wondering may i join this crazy argument?...and secondly i do not wish to be affliated with any squad..the middle ground is just fine...*Dusts the ground between the two groups and sits down with her cup of shah* Oi, X i went through all the four pages to actually see if someone even tried to mention that feminism had different branches ! Bless You I wonder if its the word that worries the people and not the actual different movements. *************X's post ****************** there are many brands of feminism and they range from radical, to anti-racist, so all feminists arent of like mind, and QAsim Amin's is what i like, b/c it only there to put pressure on the muslim countries to fulfill their obligations but giving women their rights that were already given in the Quran. I wouldn't promote anything that was in contradiction to my beliefs. ***************Qac's post ******************** the idea of feminism goes against islam... untill u could prove to me it doesn't... *********************************************** It all depends ya akhi, yes it sound so foreign! a completely western idea, that somehow is trying to enforce its self on ur Islamic values..! In reality when u look at maternal feminism for example, we can see that it in truth doesnt advocate anything a practising muslim may find strange! **********From a site*********************** Maternal feminism is the term that has been used by scholars to describe the ideology that drove many of the leaders of the suffrage and temperance movements in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Infused with the language of domesticity, it called upon women to define a public role for themselves as women, sisters and mothers so as to improve society, and particularly to alleviate the suffering of women and children. For these women, there was no contradiction between the traditional role of women at home and participation in public life. Their actions in the public sphere were no more than an extension of their role in the private sphere. These women projected their maternal role beyond the confines of their own family life: they felt that as sisters and mothers, they could introduce into politics a unique perspective that issued from the concrete realities of women's lives, including the hardships wrought by poverty, abuse and alcoholism. ************************************************** What I have a feeling ur opposed to is Radical feminism *****************From a site******************** Women are oppressed by patriarchy. 2. Patriarchy is a hierarchical system of domination and subordination of women by men. It consists in, and is maintained by, one or more of the following: · Compulsory motherhood and constraints on reproductive freedom · Compulsory heterosexuality · The social construction of femininity and female sexuality as that which is “dominated” · Violence towards women · Institutions which encourage the domination of women by men, such as the church, and traditional models of the family 3. To end the oppression of women, we must abolish patriarchy. This will potentially involve: · Challenging and rejecting traditional gender roles and the ways in which women are represented/constructed in language, media, as well as in women’s personal lives. · Fighting patriarchal constructions of women’s sexuality by banning pornography, and rejecting traditional heterosexual relationships. · Achieving reproductive freedom · Separation from patriarchal society? ************************************************* ^^^And naturally anyone who believes in Islam will be opposed to this or for that matter any one with commonsense !! All I have to say is that base ur opinions on solid facts..its hard in a ever changing world..yet we need to try... Salamzzzzzzzzz ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paragon Posted March 15, 2004 Before we judge, lest distinguish between the factors that determine when a girl should get married. these factors are a)circumstance; b)personal prefernce; c)principle. - Circumstance = understandable - Principle (religious) = desirable - Personal preference = I can't comment on it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tuujiye Posted March 15, 2004 Something to lighten up your day....................... Enjoy HUSBAND-MART A store called Husband-Mart, which sells husbands, has just opened, where a woman can go to choose a husband from among many men. The store is comprised of 6 floors, and the men increase in positive attributes as the shopper ascends the flights. There is, however, a catch. As you open the door to any floor you may choose a man from that floor, but if you go up a floor, you cannot go back down except to exit the building. So this woman goes to Husband-Mart to find a husband. On the first floor the sign on the door reads: Floor 1 - These men have jobs. The woman reads the sign and says to herself, "Well, that's better than my last boyfriend, but I wonder what's further up?" So up she goes. The second floor sign reads: Floor 2 - These men have jobs and love kids. The woman remarks to herself, "That's great, but I wonder what's further up?" And up she goes again. The third floor sign reads: Floor 3 - These men have jobs, love kids and are extremely good looking. "Hmmm, better" she says. "But I wonder what's upstairs?" The fourth floor sign reads: Floor 4 - These men have jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking and help with the housework. "Wow!" exclaims the woman, "very tempting. BUT, there must be more further up!" And again she heads up another flight. The fifth floor sign reads: Floor 5 - These men have jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking, help with the housework and have a strong romantic streak. "Oh, mercy me! But just think... what must be awaiting me further on?" So up to the sixth floor she goes. The sixth floor sign reads: Floor 6 - You are visitor 3,456,789,012 to this floor. There are no men on this floor. This floor exists solely as proof that women are impossible to please. Thank you for shopping Husband-Mart and have a nice day Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JASMIINE Posted March 15, 2004 ^^^Lol! quote: __________________________________________________________________________________________________ Your question has been asked before and as always the question is vague. I need some clarification on a few things first, Define: - Stay Away - Educated women - Handle What s the source of information? Because I think you'll agree that if a group of single "educated" women with zero people skills get together to ponder the situation, they MIGHT come up with a biased conclusion. Are you speaking from personal experience? How sure are you it's education and not halitosis or lack of personal hygiene that led to the "stay away"? Clarify your request and I'll be more than happy to give my point of view. __________________________________________________________________________________________________ UD, u do really deserve your place in the “ignorant squad” judging from ur response to my question. The words I used are pretty self-explanatory if u cannot understand there’s no need for me to repeat myself :rolleyes: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senora Posted March 15, 2004 maroodiguu takarta fuushan ma arkee, takalu arkay......... My father use to tell me this a lot...I'm going by memory, so if I have any errors, forgive me...I belive this is the saying Despondent-n- Disillusioned had mentioned?( gosh what a mouthful, I miss Bee) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
underdog Posted March 15, 2004 Originally posted by JASMIINE: UD, u do really deserve your place in the “ignorant squad” judging from ur response to my question. The words I used are pretty self-explanatory if u cannot understand there’s no need for me to repeat myself :rolleyes: I'll save you a spot next to me on the squad, Jasmine. Since my request seems too complex for you, I'll simplify: My question is how do you know it's the education thats chasing these men away? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
