nasra, maybe you should be banned. bari and smith and their somaliland counterparts, such as oodweyn, GayDEED and ayoup sheikh are here to promote their respective lalalalalalaland. :cool:

Riyoode is hallucinating. No recognition for any lalala lands. No more SNM, SSDF, USC, SPM, SNF and other thugz. one somalia forever. capito vavankuulo,

to those that are accusing summaria for posting this thread, how do you know his intenions or that he is posting because he hates the somaliland people? its very dangerous to accuse people of hatred because of merely posting a fact about a region. where did the adage "naxnu naxkumu bi thawaahir , walaahu yatawala bi sa raa ir" go? i would appreciate anyone presenting similar incident in puntland as well. lets discuss things , while for a minute setting aside tribal shades. as bari said, the salaries of ina riyaale of $600,000 as claimed by a somalilander CPA, is more than sufficient to re carpet the whole runway and buy new computers and equipment for the airport. exposing corrupt systems in puntland and somaliland and somalia is a very positive thing, because its the beggining of "accountability". america faced the same dillema back in thirties and forties, and those that exposed corporate and governmental corruptions were celebrated and called "mud rackers". adios maryooleey

eventhough i hate cheering on the bad situation of our somali northern brothers, yet i can't fathom the level of corruption in riyaale local government. it was few weeks ago ,that a cpa, from north was presenting the north somali state budget, and its allocation. it was over twenty million, yet they couldn't afford 150k to "patch up " the airport, which is a lifeline to the whole northern somalia, including sanaag and sool. sometimes the enemies of growth and prosperity are the closer than the barre regime

Horn, the somali problem stems from the likes of barre hiiraale, cabdiqasim salaad and the dozens of warlords in xamar , jawhar and on. cabdullahi yusuf has his administration functioning, so does ina riyaale. somaliland and puntland are two administrative regions, which are an examplry to the savages from mudug who accupy kismayu and the benedar and lower shebele, regions. its they that killed sixty times more than what the ethiopians killed since 1964 conflict. why the scapegoat? ethiopia, for the past thirteen years came to somalia with ina caydiid, and ina xaaji masalle(the wicked). and in all their forays, they killed less than a thousan people. on the other hand the kismaayo thugs, or the jawhar, kaaraan and madiino thugs have killed their own people a number 50 times that. somalia needs a government, and soon, and as long as their is a general framework that regions have self governing rule, then let meli zinawe rule instead of the ignorant barre hiiraale and yalaxow butcher the people. one somalia under allah

Dear Horn, anyone claiming the succesion of somalia, or supporting Ina yeey, or the cabdiqasim and the tng is a die hard qabiilist in denial if he/she belongs to the particular tribes of these entities. eg: succesion supporters all hail from hargeysa and burco and parts of ceerigaabo Ina yeey supports exclusively hail from north gaalkacyo or bari Cabdi qasim and JVA supports exculsively hail from either cabdiqasim's trige or late siyad barre's tribe. prove me wrong my dear freind. the action of the jva is a publicity stunt, because disarming the less powerfull tribes who inhabit in the region at this time is a mere PR ploy. the thugz from mudug are the real culprits , who everyday make the lives of the poor hardworking people. how could an illegitimate entity make peace in other people's land? Do you really beleive ina hiiraale belongs in kismaayo? it seems you whole heartedly endorse in him and cabdiqaasim, so is almost most of the folks from your tribe. I on the other hand denounce ALL warlords, and am very happy for the peace and prosperity of the PEOPLE(puntland and somalia north). i applaud their effort and civilized manner, in which they conducted themselves in the harsh years after the civil war. these people created an oasis os sanity and an environment that is truly a role model for the rest of the savages in somalia. by now , it should be clear to you that i have NO hidden tribal agenda.

Dear Libaax, it wasn't my intention to disrespect Horn, but rather to point to him the flaws of his rationale. for hornafrique to brag about the accomplishment rather lack of it of the thugz of kismayu is very hypocritical. to make my self clear, iam not a supporter of their oponents either. but Hiiraale and Seeraar don't belong in jubada hoose. only the talxe people can lay claim to the south somalia. why is it that hornafrique , a bright young man, claiming to be a nationalist, yet endorsing the thugz that seized a land that don't belong to them, and last four weeks killed over fifty people and robbed merchants, because one of their men was killed by a single militia man. my beef is those that pretend to be non qabiilist, yet their line of thoughts is very predictible in that they support the tng and the jva and belong to either cabdiqasim or siyad bare clan. those that support ina yeey and belong to his clan and those that want to succeed and in addition claim people of SSH and support ina cigaal clan. why do we have to be drawn in these lines. why can't we be nationalist that are very happy for the progress and peace in waqooyi galbeed and puntland, and also want peace for the rest? why can't we be independant thinkers that are nationalist in a true sense ? Don't most people in this political forum subscribe to the above line of thinking? Iam clean and don't support No warlord, love all somalis, regardless of their region.

the hypocrisy of some is truly amazing. the much taunted nationalists are merely sick clanist hidding behind a nationlist agenda the barre hiiraale ,and brainless seeraar thugz are theives and have no legitimate authority to rule kismayo. they came to that city, and destroyed the little prosperity it had, and turned it to a ghost town. Don't even think i support the coward morgan, or cumar xaashi or anyone, but the truth of the matter is, mudug people especially the clans that hold kismayo now are the most violent, backward people ,and they need to be disarmed too. horn, please dont be blinded by your tribal affliation in supporting the TNG AND JUBBA THUGZ. iam very upset that the forumers are either the traitors who want to devide our country, or the supporters of the blood hound ina yeey cabdullahi yusuf or the most primitive violent and ****** TNG and Jubba valley supporters.. what happened to the rest of DECENT SOMALIS, who don't support such filth? iam wondering still

Nin yaaban, aka darbigoldogob, how is the income tax return business doing? just wondering, cuz febuary is around the corner.

this is a desperate topic by the so called puntland camp. regardless of the positions of the BUTTland or MIRqaanland, SOMALIA does NOT need a petition to be saved. this nation will stay intact, indivisble under ALLAH. THE illusionary of north south, buttland, and somalimirqaanland WILL fade away in a few years. thirteen years and counting.....let see next year, and the year after....and so forth. there is more to somalia than the treasonous mirqaanland and the powerhungry stinking buttland

Are you people sick of this tug of war between the Landers (Puntland and Somaliland)? i posted the same topic ,but was deleted from here by the admin for an unknown reason. i don't usually use profanity, but i don't know why it was deleted. Anyways, the majority of somali people over 80% live outside of these two regions. In fairness, the people in these Provinces have achieved RELATIVE peace and stability. the question is is this forum the play ground for the seperatists who want , at any cost join the Kufaars, or the power hungry Ina yeey, who is a dabadhilif amxaaro. Trust me, unlike some in here , i hate the primitive cabdiqasim, who divided his own clan more than anyone in magacdisho. why are we supporting the TNG(people who hail from lower mudug, mogadishu and Gedo), Ina yeey(people from Bari) and Seperation(the northwesterners)? Somalia is one great nation, and most of the people that laid their lives for this nation don't even Hail From somaliland or Puntland. its the "looma ooye" that laid their lives, so that ****** could brag about their accomplishments or lack of it. the looma ooye are people other than these regions(except Darwiishes). every topic in the politics section is either about somali_neverland or Puntland. what about banadir? what about bay and bakool? and what about lower and middle juba , lower and middle shabele and Awdal?

You know why i hate all the tribalist? Because they see the murderers in other tribes. for example the Gedo man only sees the puntland murderer while ignoring the Gedo murderer and so forth. as a neutral party between the puntland and Gedo, let me add my two cents. Cabdullahi Yusuf is exactly like Cumar xaaji masale, a traitor . inna yusuf led the ethiopians against somali army, while ina massale led the ethiopians against his own Gedo folks. but i don't have anyone with the capacity of General Gaani in Puntland, not at all. so Gedo has more murderers than puntland ,by two to one. but the problem is this Neither Gedo , nor Puntland wants to ever acknowledge the blood letting done by their clansmen. and this is the sad part. Tell me any clan and i will tell you the murderer that they DONT want to give up. when the hell are people gonna change?

since you hail from Gedo region, you excluded your uncles from your list. Gani should be the first one in your roster. the reason that there will never be justice in somalia as long as your mentality exists is because no Tribe wants to bring their murderers to justice. example : the Northern traitors : don't want Siilanyo and their SNM THugs to be brought to justice. the Gedo folks don't want Gani, ina masale biixi and hiiraale . the puntlanders don't want their ssdf thugs such as cabdullahi traitor yusuf to justice and so forth. while the ******** don't want Jees to justice. see where iam going with this Justice should deal with all tribes. [ August 10, 2003, 01:43 AM: Message edited by: Libaax-Sankataabte ]

Hornafrique, Did you forget about Gani, the hitler of hargeisa? how about Bare Hiiraale, and Cumar xaaji massale , the traitor who brough the ethiopian army against his own people in Gedo. [ August 07, 2003, 11:53 PM: Message edited by: Admin ]

Far from it dear young lad Hornafrique. iam no way a somali traitor aka "somalilander". i hate the snm, because they killed thousands of innocent people in boorame and sool and sanaag. in addition, they fought alongside the ethiopians against the somali people. they also wiped out refugees from somali galbeed who were based in hargeisa the snm is not as coherent as some of you think, but they have the illusion of seperate country like djibouti uniting them. SNF, is very primitive. their ina massale wing is a very treasonous like cabdullahi yusuf and ina cigaal. the southern warlords like donkey yalaxow are just donkeys. so do you see me advancing the illfated seperatist agenda of the NEVERLAND now my dear young hornafrique. it should be abvious to you that iam not a supporter of any of the nonsense rebel groups, and their tribal affilitaitons. adios

Hornafrique, you are the easiest to dicipher. you seem to ascribe to the politics of the SNF, hence a holder of the SNF CLAN BADGE. its very abvious from your postings that you are pro-abdiqasim, against punltand. and no way that SNF is functional. the SNF, while a very capable fighting entity, lacks any economic and political savvyness. the USC is a tattered fractured group, and the most prominent ones today, such as ina caydiid and maxamed dheere are in the pockets of abdullahi yusuf. the only stand alone entities are the SNM AND SSDF. but both are traitors. i have no extreme views at all. i just plain simply hate all of the rebel groups SSDF, SNF, SPM, USC AND SNM. to me they are either politically novice, economically ruined dumbs(SNF, SPM). military powerfull, but very primitive thinking(USC). and well balanced SNM(militarily ,politically and economically), but very treasonous. and SSDF(A military failure-cowardly, but politically and economically Giants. SSDF, has the most advantage, and that is they are the biggest politically manipulating group. I HATE THEM ALL. i hope that i have clarified my position hornafrique, and proved to you that unlike samy girl, that i don't fit into any of the above notions of rebel supporters. :mad: :mad: :mad: "CALAN SUUBANOW SAMADA U EKOW MAALINTII LA SURAY SAANU DOONAYOW SAMA KUWAARTAYOO SUCDI BAA TEHEE WAA INAYNU SARA KACNAA SALAAN LA HORTAGNAA MARKII LASAARAYEE. USACABTUMAAY "SHAB SHAB SHAB" SIDAYNU UDHAN NAHAY SOMALIYEEEEEY WADA JIRA"

SNF are savages just like the USC. they are the bloodsuckers accupying the lower juba, and murdering people. the beauty of my position is i DON'T support any rebel group here is what the rebel groups and their respective clan ideoligies stand for SNF- hate the puntlanders, especially Cabdullahi yusuf's clan. they would rather be ruled by a genocidal USC, than a puntlander. they, and USC have commited the worst crimes against the people of baydhabo. the supporters of this group fear the puntlanders. the SNF rebels are bloodthirsty and only good at fighting. if it wasn't cabdiqaasim, they would have starved to death. they support the TNG , because they have qabiil alliance. USC. this genocidal Donkey brain thugs have murdered thousands of people because of they belonged to the former president's clan. they also blew up irrigation systems, wells in baydhabo, causing the worst humanitarian crises in the history of somalia. they have an inferiority complex and are afriad of the puntlanders. they would love to ally themselves with the SNM, but SNM looks down on them, so they are forced to cooperate with SNF. SSDF. This is the shaydaan , the originator of all evils. they started all the trouble in somalia. they want Traitor cabdullahi yusuf to become somali president. they are the ones, because of their insults to the USC, forced the USC to murder thousands of SSDF in galkacyo. the ssdf, and its supporters, are the mostl cowardly of all, because they have never won a battle either in any engagement with the former government, USC or SNF. They claim to own kismayu, but have never been able to rule it right, or defend it. they are the majurest of the all political rebels though and they enjoy a higher standard of living than the rest. SNM, this rebel group and its supporters, from the day when the great sayid said lets wage a war agianst the infedels, they were with the infedels. they think they are gaalo. the SNM waged a suicidal war, but was completly crushed. today they play the seperation card, because they think the dominant clan of the SNM can get 50% of somalia seat and hence power. SPM- these midgets led by Cumar jees are the stupidest of all. they waged war against innocent fleeing civilians. they got a whipping in afgoye after the USC realized that they were cowards. they went to kismayo and claimed as their own, while caydiid's clan ruled and was killing herdes of their people. they don't have any resources or the will to fight and stay put, and are marginalized as a rebel group. abviously, almost everyone in this forum subscribes to one of the above reasoning. just look at some of the opinions of people like gediid, timacade, hornafrique barinomad and few more. i beg to differ. i hate all the rebel groups.

For many, their true colors are revealed. iam wondering why the insults Hornafrique? people really relate to the armed thugs that destroyed our country. my question is who belongs to USC, SSDF, and SNM. THese are the ones that killed most of innocent people. abviously what angered people in this forum is because they unconsiously relate to one of the above rebels on a tribal bases. I didn't say thanks to Siyad for wiping the innocent people, but rather USC-who commited genocide, SSDF- the original and the most treasonous rebel group, and SNM- blood sucking gaalo loving deviding the nation rebel group. some of you may wonder if i relate to Siyad may allah bless his soul, not at all Walaahi. so please for those that responded to this thread, tell us which of the above rebel group you belong to. i hate lightheaded people. Long lives the legend of Siyad

Guul wadow siyaad aabihii garashada geyga yagoow hantiwadaagu waabkaa barwaaqo noo horseedayee dhuwaan ka baxaya , dhulkaa bidhaamayaa dhawaaqa isu baaqayaa barbaartiyo shaqaalohoo isbiirsadoo barbartaagan, darandooran, geyigii ka soo baxaa Ubalan qaadnay HA HA , MIDNIMADA SOMALIYA inay BADBAADIYAAN. I guess he was the only man with brain to ever rule somalia. eventhough i didn't moneterily benefit from him, but never the less i loved how he wiped all the SSDF, SNM, AND USC. may allah bless him.

Instead of moderating the discussions, the admin has silenced the most passionate members of this forum. extreme profanity should have only been banned , not qabiil politics. unless one is a hypocrit, there is no way that there will ever be a just solution to the somali problems. qabiil is part of somali identity, and like the revolutionary dictatorship , you just can't burry it. i will really miss Xassan Nasra allah, dantay, and his opposing heavy weights cilmi and others. well, i never had much to say, but i hope this stanghold will be lifted in the near future

Batuulo, here is what your name means! oo Batuula yaray , bariis karisooy basbaas ku dartooy mabarideen, alam dhe alam gariiroow goodirow rig dhee, balawdhe baarbaxaydhe!!!

My dear brother shujui zaaana, i DIDN'T dismiss anyone's article, but i was taken by the tenacity of Horn. He is indeed a rare Patriotic Breed for Somalia keep it coming guys, this is really getting funny

Hornafrique, you are one of a heck of a Nationalist. its funny though,.keep it up dude

i really don't care who becomes the next somali president eventhough i prefer caddow, since he is from the powerfull people of caydiid and a reasonable man. what i care about is though the power structure of future somalia. i would like to see a highly decentralized somalia , where each province, city has responsibilities and obligations. i would want to see somalia where the military has its own jurisdictions and limits, so is the police and leaders. i would want a somalia where like here in the U.S.A if the president's daughter gets drunk, she gets charged by the local police ,and the president can't do anything about it. how about that!

why hope for a violent showdwon? hope the best for the people of the north, for their local elections. we should encourage successfull local administrations such as somaliland and puntland. i hope no violence occurs and that everything will be normal in that part of the country