nasra, maybe you should be banned. bari and smith and their somaliland counterparts, such as oodweyn, GayDEED and ayoup sheikh are here to promote their respective lalalalalalaland. :cool:

Riyoode is hallucinating. No recognition for any lalala lands. No more SNM, SSDF, USC, SPM, SNF and other thugz. one somalia forever. capito vavankuulo,

to those that are accusing summaria for posting this thread, how do you know his intenions or that he is posting because he hates the somaliland people? its very dangerous to accuse people of hatred because of merely posting a fact about a region. where did the adage "naxnu naxkumu bi thawaahir , walaahu yatawala bi sa raa ir" go? i would appreciate anyone presenting similar incident in puntland as well. lets discuss things , while for a minute setting aside tribal shades. as bari said, the salaries of ina riyaale of $600,000 as claimed by a somalilander CPA, is more than sufficient to re carpet the whole runway and buy new computers and equipment for the airport. exposing corrupt systems in puntland and somaliland and somalia is a very positive thing, because its the beggining of "accountability". america faced the same dillema back in thirties and forties, and those that exposed corporate and governmental corruptions were celebrated and called "mud rackers". adios maryooleey

eventhough i hate cheering on the bad situation of our somali northern brothers, yet i can't fathom the level of corruption in riyaale local government. it was few weeks ago ,that a cpa, from north was presenting the north somali state budget, and its allocation. it was over twenty million, yet they couldn't afford 150k to "patch up " the airport, which is a lifeline to the whole northern somalia, including sanaag and sool. sometimes the enemies of growth and prosperity are the closer than the barre regime

Horn, the somali problem stems from the likes of barre hiiraale, cabdiqasim salaad and the dozens of warlords in xamar , jawhar and on. cabdullahi yusuf has his administration functioning, so does ina riyaale. somaliland and puntland are two administrative regions, which are an examplry to the savages from mudug who accupy kismayu and the benedar and lower shebele, regions. its they that killed sixty times more than what the ethiopians killed since 1964 conflict. why the scapegoat? ethiopia, for the past thirteen years came to somalia with ina caydiid, and ina xaaji masalle(the wicked). and in all their forays, they killed less than a thousan people. on the other hand the kismaayo thugs, or the jawhar, kaaraan and madiino thugs have killed their own people a number 50 times that. somalia needs a government, and soon, and as long as their is a general framework that regions have self governing rule, then let meli zinawe rule instead of the ignorant barre hiiraale and yalaxow butcher the people. one somalia under allah

Dear Horn, anyone claiming the succesion of somalia, or supporting Ina yeey, or the cabdiqasim and the tng is a die hard qabiilist in denial if he/she belongs to the particular tribes of these entities. eg: succesion supporters all hail from hargeysa and burco and parts of ceerigaabo Ina yeey supports exclusively hail from north gaalkacyo or bari Cabdi qasim and JVA supports exculsively hail from either cabdiqasim's trige or late siyad barre's tribe. prove me wrong my dear freind. the action of the jva is a publicity stunt, because disarming the less powerfull tribes who inhabit in the region at this time is a mere PR ploy. the thugz from mudug are the real culprits , who everyday make the lives of the poor hardworking people. how could an illegitimate entity make peace in other people's land? Do you really beleive ina hiiraale belongs in kismaayo? it seems you whole heartedly endorse in him and cabdiqaasim, so is almost most of the folks from your tribe. I on the other hand denounce ALL warlords, and am very happy for the peace and prosperity of the PEOPLE(puntland and somalia north). i applaud their effort and civilized manner, in which they conducted themselves in the harsh years after the civil war. these people created an oasis os sanity and an environment that is truly a role model for the rest of the savages in somalia. by now , it should be clear to you that i have NO hidden tribal agenda.

Dear Libaax, it wasn't my intention to disrespect Horn, but rather to point to him the flaws of his rationale. for hornafrique to brag about the accomplishment rather lack of it of the thugz of kismayu is very hypocritical. to make my self clear, iam not a supporter of their oponents either. but Hiiraale and Seeraar don't belong in jubada hoose. only the talxe people can lay claim to the south somalia. why is it that hornafrique , a bright young man, claiming to be a nationalist, yet endorsing the thugz that seized a land that don't belong to them, and last four weeks killed over fifty people and robbed merchants, because one of their men was killed by a single militia man. my beef is those that pretend to be non qabiilist, yet their line of thoughts is very predictible in that they support the tng and the jva and belong to either cabdiqasim or siyad bare clan. those that support ina yeey and belong to his clan and those that want to succeed and in addition claim people of SSH and support ina cigaal clan. why do we have to be drawn in these lines. why can't we be nationalist that are very happy for the progress and peace in waqooyi galbeed and puntland, and also want peace for the rest? why can't we be independant thinkers that are nationalist in a true sense ? Don't most people in this political forum subscribe to the above line of thinking? Iam clean and don't support No warlord, love all somalis, regardless of their region.

the hypocrisy of some is truly amazing. the much taunted nationalists are merely sick clanist hidding behind a nationlist agenda the barre hiiraale ,and brainless seeraar thugz are theives and have no legitimate authority to rule kismayo. they came to that city, and destroyed the little prosperity it had, and turned it to a ghost town. Don't even think i support the coward morgan, or cumar xaashi or anyone, but the truth of the matter is, mudug people especially the clans that hold kismayo now are the most violent, backward people ,and they need to be disarmed too. horn, please dont be blinded by your tribal affliation in supporting the TNG AND JUBBA THUGZ. iam very upset that the forumers are either the traitors who want to devide our country, or the supporters of the blood hound ina yeey cabdullahi yusuf or the most primitive violent and ****** TNG and Jubba valley supporters.. what happened to the rest of DECENT SOMALIS, who don't support such filth? iam wondering still

Nin yaaban, aka darbigoldogob, how is the income tax return business doing? just wondering, cuz febuary is around the corner.

this is a desperate topic by the so called puntland camp. regardless of the positions of the BUTTland or MIRqaanland, SOMALIA does NOT need a petition to be saved. this nation will stay intact, indivisble under ALLAH. THE illusionary of north south, buttland, and somalimirqaanland WILL fade away in a few years. thirteen years and counting.....let see next year, and the year after....and so forth. there is more to somalia than the treasonous mirqaanland and the powerhungry stinking buttland

Are you people sick of this tug of war between the Landers (Puntland and Somaliland)? i posted the same topic ,but was deleted from here by the admin for an unknown reason. i don't usually use profanity, but i don't know why it was deleted. Anyways, the majority of somali people over 80% live outside of these two regions. In fairness, the people in these Provinces have achieved RELATIVE peace and stability. the question is is this forum the play ground for the seperatists who want , at any cost join the Kufaars, or the power hungry Ina yeey, who is a dabadhilif amxaaro. Trust me, unlike some in here , i hate the primitive cabdiqasim, who divided his own clan more than anyone in magacdisho. why are we supporting the TNG(people who hail from lower mudug, mogadishu and Gedo), Ina yeey(people from Bari) and Seperation(the northwesterners)? Somalia is one great nation, and most of the people that laid their lives for this nation don't even Hail From somaliland or Puntland. its the "looma ooye" that laid their lives, so that ****** could brag about their accomplishments or lack of it. the looma ooye are people other than these regions(except Darwiishes). every topic in the politics section is either about somali_neverland or Puntland. what about banadir? what about bay and bakool? and what about lower and middle juba , lower and middle shabele and Awdal?

You know why i hate all the tribalist? Because they see the murderers in other tribes. for example the Gedo man only sees the puntland murderer while ignoring the Gedo murderer and so forth. as a neutral party between the puntland and Gedo, let me add my two cents. Cabdullahi Yusuf is exactly like Cumar xaaji masale, a traitor . inna yusuf led the ethiopians against somali army, while ina massale led the ethiopians against his own Gedo folks. but i don't have anyone with the capacity of General Gaani in Puntland, not at all. so Gedo has more murderers than puntland ,by two to one. but the problem is this Neither Gedo , nor Puntland wants to ever acknowledge the blood letting done by their clansmen. and this is the sad part. Tell me any clan and i will tell you the murderer that they DONT want to give up. when the hell are people gonna change?

since you hail from Gedo region, you excluded your uncles from your list. Gani should be the first one in your roster. the reason that there will never be justice in somalia as long as your mentality exists is because no Tribe wants to bring their murderers to justice. example : the Northern traitors : don't want Siilanyo and their SNM THugs to be brought to justice. the Gedo folks don't want Gani, ina masale biixi and hiiraale . the puntlanders don't want their ssdf thugs such as cabdullahi traitor yusuf to justice and so forth. while the ******** don't want Jees to justice. see where iam going with this Justice should deal with all tribes. [ August 10, 2003, 01:43 AM: Message edited by: Libaax-Sankataabte ]

Hornafrique, Did you forget about Gani, the hitler of hargeisa? how about Bare Hiiraale, and Cumar xaaji massale , the traitor who brough the ethiopian army against his own people in Gedo. [ August 07, 2003, 11:53 PM: Message edited by: Admin ]

Far from it dear young lad Hornafrique. iam no way a somali traitor aka "somalilander". i hate the snm, because they killed thousands of innocent people in boorame and sool and sanaag. in addition, they fought alongside the ethiopians against the somali people. they also wiped out refugees from somali galbeed who were based in hargeisa the snm is not as coherent as some of you think, but they have the illusion of seperate country like djibouti uniting them. SNF, is very primitive. their ina massale wing is a very treasonous like cabdullahi yusuf and ina cigaal. the southern warlords like donkey yalaxow are just donkeys. so do you see me advancing the illfated seperatist agenda of the NEVERLAND now my dear young hornafrique. it should be abvious to you that iam not a supporter of any of the nonsense rebel groups, and their tribal affilitaitons. adios