A brave Somali women who spoke up against islamist thugs was setp upon by 5 men in a street in Oslo, Norway and beaten up. What Islamists would do to keep shut brave who speak up against this brutal clique never amazes me. Happy to see more and more Somalis openly question, what this arab consipred system and the havoc it has caused the Somali people. http://blogs.salon.com/0001561/2007/04/13.html

I believe strongly in the concept of 'Rule of Law'. Now having said that, I'm realistic, this is Somalis we are talking about. The majority are not even educated. In principle it means no one is above the law. That my relation to you and the state should therefore be governed by it. The rule of law has never been established in Somalia. Do you believe in the concept? Would you like to see it applied to Somalia? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law

The best account I have seen of Somalia's history is this link right here. http://www.mongabay.com/reference/country_studies/somalia/HISTORY.html

I doubt he will ever be Times Magazine's 'Person of the Year'.

Originally posted by Northerner: ^^What about the 'Islamism' in places like the UAE/Qatar where huge development is taking place? I fail to see how Islamism is important GD. Certainly UAE/Qatar are by any measure certainly not islamist states, you are confusing state and religion as being one again, as you do. These two countries have made a pact to their people that essentially says, we are the rulers, but in the process we will take care of your every need. It helps that they have lots of oil. Singapore takes the same approach. Give us power and we will ensure we will take care of you in a highly efficent state. Now that kind of rule, I can stand. There is sembalance of the rule of law in all these situations. Now what i'm referring to is the long bearded, crooked nose so called islamists who wish to take all of us back to the stone ages. Now I hate the TFg more than anyone, but cleasing Somalia of these kinds of 'religious' people with one eye to counting dollars as they preach to you, is to me no matter how cruel, what must be done. one thing i can't stand is hypocrisy, people who preach and then do something else. Modern states say essentially, humans are cruel and humans are imperfect. Now that we know these two facts, how can we get along. Simple really. Everyone follows the ......RULE OF LAW.

This should really be a lesson to those of us on here that have been saying for a long time, that religion and politics does not mix. That Islamism is a fundamental threat to the development and well being of everyone and a threat that must be defeated.

They're a small province, small 'countries' tend to do very well. But I can't see that happening in SL. I mean are they interested in embracing globalisation? There is so much they can do, for example, like creating a basic law, making the system efficent and nimble. Creating websites that gives this information to stakeholders. What's the fiscal managment like in the economy? For example. If small places like Georgia or Estonia can do 9% growth a year on average, no reason for SL by now not too. Though one would think they would be investing in the building blocks of growth, like the roads, infrastructure, upgrading the main airport, etc, Any updates.

New poll shows him leading in Iowa for the first time. Is this the breakthrough that everyone was hoping for. If he wins in Iowa, that gives him the momentum to grab the early races and secure the nomination. I tihnk he can just about do it. Source. http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2007/11/obama_ahead_in.html

Hopefull now the management at the airline can in someways, leverage the greater balance sheet of Dubai World and negogiate for better planes with the makers. The credit line has definently notched up a few grades for them. Good deal.

Judaism doesn't condemn it, it just looks down on it. Well Rudy, think of it in this light hearted way. If you're so happy and convinced you're 'straight'. Shouldn't you be wishing all the guys are gay, since then you would be left with all the women, no? You'd have no competion. Exactly. The ones who call for gays to be killed, are hiding something. Gay's are threatning to them, cause they're gay too. A new banal theory, albeit a smart one. I say.

Judaism doesn't condemn it, it just looks down on it. Well Rudy, think of it in this light hearted way. If you're so happy and convinced you're 'straight'. Shouldn't you be wishing all the guys are gay, since then you would be left with all the women, no? You'd have no competion. Exactly. The ones who call for gays to be killed, are hiding something. Gay's are threatning to them, cause they're gay too. A new banal theory, albeit a smart one. I say.

Well the Qu'ran forbids many things. Many things which you yourself has no doubt broken today, last week or the past month. It also speaks, and I may recall, that in someway, you could take it that the Earth as we know it today is flat and not round. There are some passages I believe which disprove the proved curve theory. There many millions of gays in the Muslim World. Many thousands and thousands gay Somalis. Deal with it. If you argue against homosexuality, you would need better arguments than that, as overtime it will not hold up. And especially when you embrass yourself by calling for someone to be killed or burned. When the simplest and most effective counter, and whch i throw at you is that. You are imperfect, so are they. So let them be, leave them to be and live your own life. Everyone will be judged in time.

Well the Qu'ran forbids many things. Many things which you yourself has no doubt broken today, last week or the past month. It also speaks, and I may recall, that in someway, you could take it that the Earth as we know it today is flat and not round. There are some passages I believe which disprove the proved curve theory. There many millions of gays in the Muslim World. Many thousands and thousands gay Somalis. Deal with it. If you argue against homosexuality, you would need better arguments than that, as overtime it will not hold up. And especially when you embrass yourself by calling for someone to be killed or burned. When the simplest and most effective counter, and whch i throw at you is that. You are imperfect, so are they. So let them be, leave them to be and live your own life. Everyone will be judged in time.

One more reason we need to check the growth of this virulent backward idealogy to 'Somalia'.

Originally posted by Juje: quote:Originally posted by peacenow: Your rights to live as you want is something, I'm positively for. You lost your argument, when you stand and call for people to be burned to death. As if we haven't seen enough violence already. Can you give me the rights to hate them if you have rendered them the right to live. It is puzzling sxb how you entertain a notion to accept 'quers' as ordinary members of society - need I ask. Am sorry the 'burning' thing did not go down well with you - and on a serious note I would suggest such a thing - but I will seriously advocate for them to be 'quarantined' from the society. Purely for the reason not to create a society growing up that homosexuality is a decent thing. Well who are you or me to suggest to another person what is 'normal'. Maybe they would consider me 'unnormal' or maybe you. What is it about them that you find so threathning? If they live their life and not do harm. Who are you to judge them? You are not god. You will no doubt die and so will they, eventually, which i suppose when the 'judging' will begin. So why not let matters run it course? If Somalis stopped resorting to burn or kill anyone who disagrees with them, maybe you would have had a functional state now, instead of the disgrace we have now.

Originally posted by Juje: quote:Originally posted by peacenow: Your rights to live as you want is something, I'm positively for. You lost your argument, when you stand and call for people to be burned to death. As if we haven't seen enough violence already. Can you give me the rights to hate them if you have rendered them the right to live. It is puzzling sxb how you entertain a notion to accept 'quers' as ordinary members of society - need I ask. Am sorry the 'burning' thing did not go down well with you - and on a serious note I would suggest such a thing - but I will seriously advocate for them to be 'quarantined' from the society. Purely for the reason not to create a society growing up that homosexuality is a decent thing. Well who are you or me to suggest to another person what is 'normal'. Maybe they would consider me 'unnormal' or maybe you. What is it about them that you find so threathning? If they live their life and not do harm. Who are you to judge them? You are not god. You will no doubt die and so will they, eventually, which i suppose when the 'judging' will begin. So why not let matters run it course? If Somalis stopped resorting to burn or kill anyone who disagrees with them, maybe you would have had a functional state now, instead of the disgrace we have now.

Originally posted by Juje: The subject matter is not something that needs to be discussed mildly let alone be accepted as some of you are suggesting. It is sick, immoral and utterly contradicts the teaching and practice of Islam, that is if you still believe in it. I wouldnt freaking care about it if it was in a Socialist tabloid and advocating for the rights of this God forsaken people - but in a Somali forum it is exceptionally disgusting. Now some of you as I read in your posts are hoping they have a peaceful life - it shows that you are more tempted to be marked as a Somali liberal and more modern. It is suprising how people drop their dignity and morals at the sound of 'modern'. Well i will tell you straight forward if you are afraid of it - homosexuality - is and cannot be accepted and anyone practicing should be burned to dead if I was asked. Damn you are accepting queers now, what will you be accepting in ten years time - peados. Bloody liberals I would say. They are entitled to their right. And they have rights. I say good on them. Your rights to live as you want is something, I'm positively for. You lost your argument, when you stand and call for people to be burned to death. As if we haven't seen enough violence already.

Originally posted by Juje: The subject matter is not something that needs to be discussed mildly let alone be accepted as some of you are suggesting. It is sick, immoral and utterly contradicts the teaching and practice of Islam, that is if you still believe in it. I wouldnt freaking care about it if it was in a Socialist tabloid and advocating for the rights of this God forsaken people - but in a Somali forum it is exceptionally disgusting. Now some of you as I read in your posts are hoping they have a peaceful life - it shows that you are more tempted to be marked as a Somali liberal and more modern. It is suprising how people drop their dignity and morals at the sound of 'modern'. Well i will tell you straight forward if you are afraid of it - homosexuality - is and cannot be accepted and anyone practicing should be burned to dead if I was asked. Damn you are accepting queers now, what will you be accepting in ten years time - peados. Bloody liberals I would say. They are entitled to their right. And they have rights. I say good on them. Your rights to live as you want is something, I'm positively for. You lost your argument, when you stand and call for people to be burned to death. As if we haven't seen enough violence already.

Try going to Norway, you'll be suprised.

We need a entire new generation of the best public policy makers the world can throw out. Then pay them hefty salaries to properly motivate them. Ensuring they perform and keep their hands of the 'tills'. If you have taken a MBA, it shows you are a go-getter and a achiever. you may then start a business and then employ people.

Originally posted by OKComputer: quote:Originally posted by Northerner: ^^What is patriotism? What is there to be patriotic about? To some it means supporting an invasion/occupation. How so, wouldn't it actually be the opposite? :rolleyes: If you're patriotic you want what's best for your country, not the opposite. I don't agree with you OK. Here is my reason. People will not be patriotic just for the sake of it. They are because they are prideful os what the country has become. Look at this equation. Would you ensure you don't litter well organised and beautiful garden or one that has been left to die?

Somalis are certainly not a patriotic people. It's not a strong feeling inside them. Now the Turks, these have got to be the most patriotic people I have ever seen. Generally, a people are more patriotic, the more wealthy a country is. When you reach a certain level of development, the flag comes out. So Puntlanders maybe be 'relative' to Somalis. But all in all. No.

Thank you. It's nice to be back.

Originally posted by Kool_Kat: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL...I don't know if I could post it here, but the word "GAY" in SOMALI just cracked me up...It is one thing to hear people use it, but a different thing to actually read it in a sentence as an actual word...Kax kax kax kax kax kax... As for Hiiraan posting this, I really don't know how I feel about it...At first I was like WTF, how dare they...Then I started thinking, if these 'gay' Somalis excist, who are we to shut them up...Let them be free and express how they feel...What they do is between them and Allah...Anaaba teyda i heesato, tu kale kuma dari karo... I checked out their web site, it seems like any other web site to me... Couldn't have put it better myself. The exact mentality I have. What they do, as long as it does not hurt anyone, is upto them. Now if everyone else thought that. Somalia would have been like = Norway today. On its feet and peaceful.

Originally posted by Kool_Kat: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL...I don't know if I could post it here, but the word "GAY" in SOMALI just cracked me up...It is one thing to hear people use it, but a different thing to actually read it in a sentence as an actual word...Kax kax kax kax kax kax... As for Hiiraan posting this, I really don't know how I feel about it...At first I was like WTF, how dare they...Then I started thinking, if these 'gay' Somalis excist, who are we to shut them up...Let them be free and express how they feel...What they do is between them and Allah...Anaaba teyda i heesato, tu kale kuma dari karo... I checked out their web site, it seems like any other web site to me... Couldn't have put it better myself. The exact mentality I have. What they do, as long as it does not hurt anyone, is upto them. Now if everyone else thought that. Somalia would have been like = Norway today. On its feet and peaceful.