Originally posted by Suldaanka: ^^ Ask yourself, why Puntland isn't doing anything for the parts of Sool that come under it, for instance? The parts of Sool which come under Somaliland recieve all the benefits including annual immunisation drives, food aide, etc. Yagoori now has a brand new Police station with uniformed unarmed police officers. It also recently got a local MCH clinic for women and kids. Xuddun district was about to recieve these benefits but it was Puntland melitia that created trouble there and the worse thing Xuddun has neither MCH nor a police station upto now. These are the basics that every village in Somaliland sports. Is it PL Vs SL in terms of dominance and land grabbing or the indigenous has the right for self-determination, or do they have the choice of giving their allegiance whomever they want?,or are these people somehow lack the capabilities and skills of running their own affairs like their neighbors?, or somehow you are calling for that they are inferior species that deserve to be ruled by others?. Those and others are the fundamental questions that one in a rational mind would ask first?. The way I see it, you administration setting up a clinic in a small town even though its existence is a matter which is open to a debate, while your administration oppresses and deprives the desires of the locals,that is just "Cantara Baqash" and if that is your argument let us wait and see whom history judges to be on the right side. Remember, your people needs more clinics and what not than the considered people.

Originally posted by Suldaanka: ^^Its is not the Somaliland administration which provides the aide, its the international community. Somaliland government would love to have the means and the money to support and develop its nation, but the sad reality is the little money that coming into the coffers are spent on administration and peace keeping and hardly anything is left for development. But what Somaliland government is able to do is to facilitate the communication and guidance between the locals and the international community. Rer Gabiley understood this first and benefited a lot, rer Awdal were next to understand, while the rest of SOmaliland communities were waiting for the Somaliland administration to spoonfeed them. Now, the people in Salahley, Oodweine, Burao, Sahel are all on board and are trying to help themselves first so that they international community through Somaliland government will help them too. Now the ball is on the Sool and Sanaag regions. Most of Sanaag are on board and parts of Sool. Eastern Sanaag and other parts of Sool need to capitalise on this for the benefit of their people. Good elaborations on your part but, in my opinion, this seems to lack objectivity and substance. Is Somaliland only and the only avenue that the outside world can be reached?, I guess not.

Originally posted by Suldaanka: ^^The difference between Somaliland side and the Puntland side is that clear fact that Puntland is doing nothing for those people and they always try to stirr trouble "Khalkhal abuur" when Somaliland comes to try to fill the vacuum. Somaliland is here trying to see what the locals need and wants to try to bring more international support for the locals but the Puntland side neither wants to do anything for them nor wants anyone else to do the job they failed to do. I think you missed that we are living in the information age. BTW, Your administration needs to assist its citizens, you know whom I mean, first and then the neighbors if need might be.

I am so sad and humiliated that the momentum of the war has subsided!. Its continuity would have given us better outcome for all of us who are concerned if you guys can decipher the essence of my message

Like it or not guys. Somali balkanization is in the making. Our enemies in general and Ethiopia in particular have got at least something that puts smiles on their faces. The way I see, Ethiopia is unlikely to leave any time soon if it ever does, is also a legit question that one may ask. Let us face it, we still owe too much debt to then ICU with all their bullshits and fallacies in terms of not playing well the cards in the real politik. With that said, IF even Ethiopians leave in the near future, it is highly unlikely, based on the facts on the ground, that Mogadishu will come back to normalcy because clan and islamic militias are intermingled than ever. This effort may now look sexy but conflict of interest will surface eventually when or if victory comes to their side. On all accounts, it is too early to celebrate on any outcome given in the current Somali political discourse.

Originally posted by Caamir: The Diaspora will go back Inshallah If they know with certainty the existance of a strong legal system and an oasis of peace and prosperity. It is the Diaspora that built both Somaliland and Puntland and it will be them who will start building up the rest of the country. Well put Kamalu Diin and Caamir. With that said, if one observes carefully how Somali saga is unfolding, Somalia is yet again in the brick of total collapse due to some of us want to keep Somalia in the loop of lawlessness and anarchy and the presence of Ethiopians is also a factor which is fueling the continuation of resistance call which can be a legit or sabotage depending which angle you look at it. Good question to ask would be, a warm welcoming received by a Somali ambassador in Canada how much problem would it solve regarding what is ongoing in Somali soil, in my book almost intangible I say. BTW,Good gesture IGA DHEH!

If, indeed, there is a cholera outbreak limiting human influx from the source places of the disease is a legit counter measure worth considering.

GABAY: HANTIQARAN, Dr. Abwaan C/llahi Spanish May 04, 2006 By:Ahmed M Hassan Spain (jidbaale.com) Dr. Abwaan C/llahi Xasan Maxamud (Cabdillahi Spanish) waa aqoonyahan ku takhasusay cilmiga jiyoolajiga iyo ilaalinta deegaanka kuna haysta shahaadada ugu saraysa ee PHDa. Waxa sidoo kale uu yahay abwaan buxuur ku ah suugaanta iyo curinta gabayada. Gabaygan magaciisu yahay HANTIQARAN sida aad ka dheegan doontaan waxa uu aad u dhaliilayaa qaabka maamulka Puntland u maamulayo soo saaridda khayraadka Puntland Abwaan C/llahi waxa uu saluugsan yahay sida Majiyahan loo maamulay, wuxuuna ka digayaa in deegaanada kale sidaas oo kale loola yimaado taas oo keeni karta dhibaato aan lagu talogelin. Gabaygii Dr. Abwaan C/llahi Spanishna waa kan ee akhris wanaagsan. HANTIQARAN Had la sheego hawraarta gabay, hadal intuu gaadho Haabiil markii laga tirshoo, haatan lagu keeno Nin waliba hunguri waa u qabey, hanashadiisiiye Waxse hela habeen-dhalad ilaah, hibo u siiyaaye Ma hannaanin waayadan midii, igu haboonayde Caawana wuxuun baan hibtee, uma hagoogteene Sida qabay horweyn loo toloo, maydab lagu hoorshey Aan hawsha ruuxii lahaa, horay u xoolaynin Guudkaan ka habay xaajaday, noo hadoodiliye Gobanimadu waa geed hadhlaad, hoos galgalataaye Waa hodanka beerkiyo lugaha, lagu hadaafaaye Waa labada hawliyo indhaha, lagu hagmaayaaye Waa hogol da’aysaad xareed, ka hirqanaysaaye Mar haddaad macbuudkaa hayee, haaban kariweydo Haad iyo dugaag baad u tahay, neef halow badane Dhul haddaanu heegan u ahayn, ciidan lagu heeday Hanti iyo macaadin iyo ciid, harag wixii gooya Waa inay halyeeyadi lahaa, horor ka dhawraane Huubada baddii lagu qubiyo, maylka hoganaaya Aan laga horaynayn dhaca iyo, haayirkiyo tuugga Uu hoogga uurjiifkayagu, u hurgumoondoono Waa habila’aan doolar aad, hoos ka gurataane *****nimadu waa been malaa, laysku hodayaaye Haddii boocu hago aadmi waa, hadaf ma yeeshane Hiddo iyo asaas bay ilmuhu, hor u arooraane Heeraarka kama leexsadaan, haybad loo bogo e Habkii waalidkood bay waqood, ku hindisoodaane Nin adoogi heellan u ahaa, hooliflaha gaalka Oo inan hadhuubkiisu quban, heeryo ugu qaaday Waa ila haboow sharaf haddii, laga hawaystaaye Inkastoo yaraan lagu hantoo, hilibka loo uunsho Uu hagacda dhiigiyo raqdaba, halacsigood waayo Ma hilmaamo weer dhidar inay, hooyadii tahay e Cadde wuxu hogaanka u qabsaday, hooshid iyo boobe Waa taa dalkii loo hibayn, haragcadii waaye In waraabe hebed kuu noqdaa, waa hal aan jirine Hantiqaran shisheeyaha wadani, uma horseedeene Markii dahabka ey soo harjadey, hadiyad loo siiyey Yaaquud markuu huursanaa, halabsigii maagay Majiyahan si aan loo hantiyin, hoobiyaa dhacay Warsangeli hubkii inu ka xigay, hubanti weeyaane Bagaa dhalad halgamey tuugtu way, na holinaayeene Afartaa warbaa hadur noqdee, hilin ma qaadsiiyey Tani waa hadhiimee runtii, haar ma ka cadeeyey Ma horayne haasaawihii, hurin miyay laaban Intuu micida meeshuu la helay, honogga dhawraayo Ama haragga qoomaha ku yaal, aragu hoomaayi Horor laga ritaa neefka waa, kugu haliilaaye Haddii dhalan hagaag looga diray, lana huleelsiiyey Holhol iyo nugaal baa ku xigi, haamintaa bariye Waxa jeebka loo hulanayaa, heelka sinujiife Huur iyo wuxuu maalintii, hogob ku dhuuntaaba Himhimowga fiidkiyo mugduu, bahal hagoogtaaye Huga wuxu ka yeeshaa dadqaad, waa habeen dumay e Jeer laga hubsado dawladnimo, hawsha naga qaada Hurdo dhimatay meel aad dugaag, hoy ka leedahay e Dabka huriya dhawrtiyo marbuu, halaqa waabshaaye Abdullahi Spanish source: jidbaale.com

Mr. Caamir. Well put it, but the sad thing is that your profound, concise and complete analysis, as usual, will fall onto locked, monolithic hearts which know nothing but to advocate clannish dogma till the doomsday knocks the door or they face their destiny or whichever comes first for that matter. As natural we would expect that one should be disciplined at his/her home, where a boy is trained to be a man who can protect his family from their adversaries when need might be, or a man could be trained to be a problem solver when things go out of hand. Unlike our chap, namely Oodweyne who only sees one side of the coin regarding the problem at hand deserves that his freedom of speech be respected by Nomads. However, his rhetoric, hollow claims can be passed onto the dust bin whenever there is nothing in them for comment. Caamir. In the dictionary of Mr. Oodweyne 16 years means 16 days therefore leave the old man to exercise his futile till time teaches that the art of politics is all about concessions and compromise which, as apparent, his political discourse lacks thereof, those components thus far.

Just for curiosity why other somali websites aint covering this event other than Qaadisiya?. I ask

............."It not up to Meles or Henze to decide Somaliland’s fate, it is up to the Somali people. As for Eritrea, Henze must know that the people of Eritrea fought for over thirty years to liberate their country from the clutches of colonialists, and not for recognition from the hostile international community that had denied them their rights to self determination and forced them to wage the bitter armed struggle in the first place. Paul Henze must also know that the 30 year struggle in Eritrea was not only for Eritrea’s liberation and independence, but that it was also a war against condescending, patronization, and self-serving operatives such as him. The Eritrean people are not fooled by the likes of Henze who are paid handsomely to spend their days searching for ways to blemish Eritrea’s impeccable image, undermine the Government of Eritrea’s strong, legal and moral position on the border demarcation issue, undermine Eritrea’s religious and ethnic diversity and harmony, and selfless commitment and hard work to develop their own country."..... Futile Attempt

It is always inspirational when seen a group of people or an individual exercising their or his/her freedom of expression.

It is always inspirational when seen a group of people or an individual exercising their or his/her freedom of expression.

Originally posted by Xaruuri: Why is this chap calling himself Odweyne get incensed when people express themselves? Oday, you are from the bushes of Odweyne and you can speak for yourself and be a sectarian clannish bigot if you like, but we too are from the north and we do not subscribe to that sectarian whimsy project they call Somaliland. We are proud of our heritage and those crazies who claim that they run Somaliland do not represent us. Whether you like to hear or not the northerners are very much divided when it comes to the secession project. If you believe otherwise you can continue to live in your castle in the sky and Cuckoo land. By the way the funniest thing these days is the (the secessionists) started calling the despot who runs the Hargeisa administration the Prophet of Democracy. I think they are probably beginning to become nostalgic for the Aabaha Ummadda of the past! What an irony? Xaruuri Mr. Xaruuri, This old chap, namely Oodweyne needs additional attention be given but doesn't need your heavy doses and claims backed by rational reasons.

Originally posted by Oodweyne: And what an Age we seemed to have in here with the sort of character that you and the rest of the TFG crowd are…. Regards, Oodweyne. Mr. Oodweyne, come and get your sense back and please do some revision on my posts, have I ever on the chronicle of TFG tenure sided with them whenever they were wrong?. In that sense I was more into the ICU’s short-lived endeavor, and I was counting on them (ICU), telling to myself this is it. In that manner I belong to the defeated lot. With that said, I believe there will never be a peace in Somalia until our country is invaded by foreign troops, namely Ethiopian troops therefore if the TFG's president happened to be my uncle and I disagree how he is handling the situation, am I still liable to be labeled a die-hard supporter of the TFG?, it is also newsworthy to mention that Ethiopia controls your administration, SL, in a subtle way. At any rate, I personally support any Somali political entity when I think they are doing a genuine, holistic approach to a relevant problem. However, I think "Baroortu orgiga ka weyn" because there is a fundamental problem that you and the likes have and are suffering from it. You can't put things into perspective, and you guys entertain yourselves in an elusive political scenario. Finally, can we get alone? I ask.

Originally posted by Caamir: Saylici, the self-made simpleton of Somaliaonline, would you get off of the false consciousness, holding attitude and behaviour that do not accurately reflect the objective facts of the situation. We have to appreciate that Puntland or Somaliland is a temporary administration, previously founded on the basis of finding a panacea for the anarchy. They are local level administration at least that is how the UN recognizes them. When people face problems and dragging dissolution of civil society, they turn inwards for smaller identity basis, or each clan shifting for itself. I believe the division of the people is a problem that must be confronted and solved, esp. the elite from these two regions exploiting the masses must be brought together and persuaded on how to make their regions a no disputed areas. Caamir, I agree but the sad thing is, some SOL nomads, don't see the light and DON'T get that the art of the politics is reaching concessions and mutual accords that are acceptable to all involved parties...

Originally posted by Mansa Munsa: quote:Originally posted by Oodweyne: Dear Gen. Duke, Although this is a very tragic case for all concern; particularly, for the nomads in that area of the Somali inhabited regions of Ethiopia; and although, it was not unexpected considering, that the Somali Nomadic propensity to settled their differences in the old fashion way of blood and revenge-taking. But, all that be so, as things stand, by-the-by; I thought you were going to entertained us, as you usually do, with your drivel of shameless cheerleading and other charlatanry-rich mendacity; particularly in the sense of telling us, as to how that retained stooge of a obsequiously-minded gentleman by the name of Col. Yey is faring in that business of being the collaborationist-par-excellence for the Ethiopian’s agenda of subjugating the poor folks of Mogadishu . Now, tell us, dear lad some more of your nonsense-on-stilts, such as the sort of breathtaking inanities that alludes your conduct, which is essentially that of saying, we – i.e., the TFG Collaborationist – have never smelled any passing air in our entire existence that is more of a jasmine-smelling fragrance than that of the Ethiopian’s fart . Tell us more; in your own words, particularly the dignity that a retained man, tell himself that he has, in the small hours of the night; particularly, when the ghost of the angel of dishonor visits him in-the-dead-of-night in-order to disturb his conscious-stricken soul. Tell us, lad; in your inimitable way of being the prized and shameless cheerleader of our SOL from; particularly when it comes to the politics of dishonor , in which your Uncle Yey seemed to be wallowing as we speak at the moment. Specifically, as to how far of an anal-retentive double-bent, must a collaborationist clique should be , in-terms of winning the small crumbs that fall from the table of those, in whose their intimate pleasure, such clique of wretched and shameless collaborationist are so suitably exposed for. Tell us, lad; the latest lie about Uncle Yey meeting the Queen Elizabeth The II of England ( as if she really would disturb herself from the choir of feeding her Corgis dogs, so that she can just meet another third-rate Collaborationist stooge from Africa , who has betrayed all that, in which his country could of stood for, for mere baubles from the table of another gentlemen, who so retained him, politically, till the day he goes six-feet under ). I am sure of it, that it never did occurred to the folks that pays your daily shilling in-order to blind-side us, with yet another concoction about the politics of dishonor that your Uncle Yey is involved in at the moment; that Queen of England , does not entertained any political meeting of any kind. Unless it’s the kind of “State Visits” , in which I am sure of it, that you would agree that Uncle Yey will receive an invitation of State Visits sort from the Her majesty government to visit the Queen herself in her residence of Buckingham palace , just before sun goes down for the last time in eternity. Or perhaps he will receive his particular invitation to visit the Queen in her residence; the day we in SOL hear Uncle Yey saying that he has finally told Mr. Meles Zenawi where to get off. Which means, which ever of those two eventualities(i.e., Lucky Days ) that we may be fortunate to observed first; is a matter of great deal of probabilistic uncertainty as things stand at the moment. Tell us, lad; the new fiction that noise-machine of the TFG have asked of you to deliver to us in here of SOL ; in-terms of Uncle Yey meeting in 10 Downing Street with Prime-Minister Mr. Blair ; and I sure of it, that we can wait to hear from you, as to what these two men have the privilege to discuss. Let us know all; and by all account, do not go shy on us, and start telling us, that you do not know whether your Uncle Yey will meet; ever likely to meet; have ever met; or for that matter is ever will get the chance to meet this sort of people, in the first place. Over to you now, dear lad, and do not let us down, OK... Regards, Oodweyne. The old man is still dwelling in his "cantarabaqash" decorated round-table. As far as the clash of the Daroor people is concerned, I pray for them that Allah may subside the momentum of the hostility...and let us remember that peace can only be achieved when both parties involved willing to cease the moment

Originally posted by Oodweyne: Dear Gen. Duke , Although this is a very tragic case for all concern; particularly, for the nomads in that area of the Somali inhabited regions of Ethiopia; and although, it was not unexpected considering, that the Somali Nomadic propensity to settled their differences in the old fashion way of blood and revenge-taking. But, all that be so, as things stand, by-the-by; I thought you were going to entertained us, as you usually do, with your drivel of shameless cheerleading and other charlatanry-rich mendacity; particularly in the sense of telling us, as to how that retained stooge of a obsequiously-minded gentleman by the name of Col. Yey is faring in that business of being the collaborationist-par-excellence for the Ethiopian’s agenda of subjugating the poor folks of Mogadishu . Now, tell us, dear lad some more of your nonsense-on-stilts, such as the sort of breathtaking inanities that alludes your conduct, which is essentially that of saying, we – i.e., the TFG Collaborationist – have never smelled any passing air in our entire existence that is more of a jasmine-smelling fragrance than that of the Ethiopian’s fart . Tell us more; in your own words, particularly the dignity that a retained man, tell himself that he has, in the small hours of the night; particularly, when the ghost of the angel of dishonor visits him in-the-dead-of-night in-order to disturb his conscious-stricken soul. Tell us, lad; in your inimitable way of being the prized and shameless cheerleader of our SOL from; particularly when it comes to the politics of dishonor , in which your Uncle Yey seemed to be wallowing as we speak at the moment. Specifically, as to how far of an anal-retentive double-bent, must a collaborationist clique should be , in-terms of winning the small crumbs that fall from the table of those, in whose their intimate pleasure, such clique of wretched and shameless collaborationist are so suitably exposed for. Tell us, lad; the latest lie about Uncle Yey meeting the Queen Elizabeth The II of England ( as if she really would disturb herself from the choir of feeding her Corgis dogs, so that she can just meet another third-rate Collaborationist stooge from Africa , who has betrayed all that, in which his country could of stood for, for mere baubles from the table of another gentlemen, who so retained him, politically, till the day he goes six-feet under ). I am sure of it, that it never did occurred to the folks that pays your daily shilling in-order to blind-side us, with yet another concoction about the politics of dishonor that your Uncle Yey is involved in at the moment; that Queen of England , does not entertained any political meeting of any kind. Unless it’s the kind of “State Visits” , in which I am sure of it, that you would agree that Uncle Yey will receive an invitation of State Visits sort from the Her majesty government to visit the Queen herself in her residence of Buckingham palace , just before sun goes down for the last time in eternity. Or perhaps he will receive his particular invitation to visit the Queen in her residence; the day we in SOL hear Uncle Yey saying that he has finally told Mr. Meles Zenawi where to get off. Which means, which ever of those two eventualities(i.e., Lucky Days ) that we may be fortunate to observed first; is a matter of great deal of probabilistic uncertainty as things stand at the moment. Tell us, lad; the new fiction that noise-machine of the TFG have asked of you to deliver to us in here of SOL ; in-terms of Uncle Yey meeting in 10 Downing Street with Prime-Minister Mr. Blair ; and I sure of it, that we can wait to hear from you, as to what these two men have the privilege to discuss. Let us know all; and by all account, do not go shy on us, and start telling us, that you do not know whether your Uncle Yey will meet; ever likely to meet; have ever met; or for that matter is ever will get the chance to meet this sort of people, in the first place. Over to you now, dear lad, and do not let us down, OK... Regards, Oodweyne. The old man is still dwelling in his "cantarabaqash" decorated round-table. As far as the clash of the Daroor people is concerned, I pray for them that Allah may subside the momentum of the hostility...and let us remember that peace can only be achieved when both parties involved willing to cease the moment

Originally posted by Sharif_seylaci: waad arkii doonta sool inteeda kalle baa ma anaga lahayn suu darawish iyo diggaag laga ma qaadiin Sidi sidi daada mooyee dhul dhacaaga hubso I say

Originally posted by Sharif_seylaci: We just have 2 take over the place and we have 2 move towards lascanood the last capital we the somalilanders we dont control Af noolina waa hadlaa, eyna waa ciyaa

Dameer iyo labadii dhegood iga dheh.

Originally posted by Northerner: quote:Originally posted by samuraiW: MKA - Here it is --I have never known what "100,000,00" meant up until I have met a chap from the South who explained that “100,000,00” and “100,000.00” were the same --which is your take as well, if I am not mistaken. I further met students from Italy, Greek, and other European countries with similar way of writing mathematical calculations. Now, whenever I saw the following “100,000,00”, up until I met the said chaps, I used to read it to mean “10,000,000.00”. You see, it is the dot [.] and its location in the mathematical representation that which skews its reading. I see your frustration with my insistence, but do you not see mine? And by the way, I am by training Chartered Accountant. Did any of that help? Tata... This is actually new to me. I have never seen a comma placed infront of the last two digits. What a confusing way of doing things. One would think 100,000,00 was missing a zero at the end or that both comas are misplaced. There must be 3 digits after the last coma. Europeans :rolleyes: I agree there is no such thing 1,000,000,00. is there? one would write either 100,000,000 or 1,000,000.00(assuming the third comma is dot). Hence, one should also consider the significance gap between the magnitude of the aforementioned figures. Finally, I urge those of you who work sensitive places where nano or micro difference matter to get the above numerical representation straight. Alas, I see smoking gun

There is something fishy about the chemistry of this government, its composition are neither competent nor visionaries who can lead us from the mess we found ourselves in. However, we are where we are now therefore i am betting that Ethiopians leave sooner than later, and other peace keepers move in. With that said, surely some Ethiopian intelligence units will remain in the country that will be impeded with the government officials. This will put in a grave concern about our sovereignty. It will also diminish our viability as a nation in the horn of Africa. All i am trying is to choose a bad situation from a much worse one.

Originally posted by Sharif_seylaci: so ur sayn ceerigabo and xudun is part of the puntland i dont think so its part of the somaliland becous of the somalilad flag soldiers are there so there for u cant claim it bye the way u cant claim land bye Etnicay is like sayng Djbouti is part of somaliland becous our tribe lives there Rhetorics are rhetorics but facts are facts,my question to U (Seylaci)is; can we get along?