Originally posted by rudy: everytime i say, during the conversation, kow, she kept saying labo!! [/QB] loooool Adna sedex maxaa ugu dari weeysay ha sii yaabtee!!

^^^looool Maskiin!! I'm usually at work, SO before I log on I go down and get me a long a$$ glass of ice cold water. I usually finish 3 of those a day. I used to do the whole coffee thing but now I just can't handle coffee no more....must be getting old!!!!

^^ and who is he?^^ My Vote goes to BArwaaqo Cadeey. She doesn't post much but when she does....they really get you thinking. mad luv to you hon!

Barwaaqo Cadeey....Nicely said.....couldn't have said it any better!

^^^^Walaahi waa runtaa....and we all know how big the somali sweet tooth is!! Zakariye-- Are you saying I'm too passive?...should I start harassing people?

DJIBOUTI JOURNAL Somalia's 'Hebrews' See a Better Day By IAN FISHER The sultan of the Jews in Somalia is a handsome, silver-haired man named Ahmed Jama Hersi who does not know the first thing about Judaism. He is a Muslim, as were his ancestors back at least 800 years. But he and his people are treated badly, cursed as descendants of Israelites. The name of the tribe is Yibir, or Hebrew. "Even our young people," he said, "they are ashamed when you ask them what tribe they belong to. They will not say Yibir." Not much is known about the lineage of the Yibir, one of Somalia's "sab," or outcast, clans. But if Somalis succeed in creating a new central government -- as they have been trying to do since March -- the Yibir will for the first time taste political legitimacy and respect. In the 225-member assembly envisioned for a new Somalia, the Yibir get one seat. A conscious effort is being made to broaden political power in Somalia, traditionally held by old men from the four major clans. In the new assembly, women, the bedrock of Somali economic and family life, have been allocated 25 seats. Minority clans like the Yibir, Midgan and Tomal will have 24 seats, if the assembly is ever translated from a nice idea at a peace conference here in neighboring Djibouti to an actual government in Somalia, which has been without one since 1991. "This is the most broad-based process that Somalia has ever known," said David Stephen, the representative of Kofi Annan, the United Nations secretary general, at the peace talks. "Never before have women and minorities taken part in discussions about their country." The question is whether this means anything. It is far from certain that any new government will ever actually sit in Somalia, though hopes are high. Perhaps more important is whether the elderly men from the major clans will cede any of their authority. Mr. Stephen said some men bluntly say that they "are only doing this to please the United Nations." But still the minority groups, who prefer to be called the Alliance, and women are talking about the power they theoretically hold if they vote as a bloc. The top positions in any new government are likely to be doled out to the major clans, and any clan that makes alliances with the women and minorities in the assembly is more likely to win. "We have to have one voice and one interest as women," said Asha Haji Elmi, leader of the women delegates to the conference. She conceded that there would be pressure for women to vote with their clans rather than as women. Twenty of the women's seats are assigned to the four major clans and the remaining five to the minority clans. "It's difficult," she said, "but we have to overcome the obstacles." It is, at any rate, a high-minded exercise, pushed strongly by the peace conference's host, President Ismael Omar Gelleh of Djibouti -- though Somalis are quick to point out that Mr. Gelleh's own government is not nearly so liberal as his vision for Somalia's. "It is not in our tradition," said Mahmoud Imam Omar, an elder in one of the major clans, the ****** , speaking of the inclusion of women. "President Gelleh has made us do it. But we have accepted it." A Somali businessman, Muhammad Ali Muhammad, said it was an experiment worth trying. "We have seen how the men have devastated the country," he said. "So maybe the women and minority groups would be better." A new government is, of course, no guarantee of equality. Then again, the Yibir do not have much to begin with. Mr. Hersi, 68, who has been the elected leader of the Yibir for 22 years, was asked to speak at one of the opening sessions of the peace conference two months ago. He noted that the Yibir had suffered terribly during the years of war but wanted badly to forgive and move on. "In the civil war I lost my son, my wife, my brother, my dignity and my self-respect," he told the delegates. "But still I have come here to work for reconciliation." Part of the bad treatment, he concedes, is the support of many Yibir for the dictator Muhammad Siad Barre. When he was overthrown in 1991, Mr. Hersi fled the country with surviving members of his family to live in Nairobi, Kenya's capital. But part of it is simply that they are one of the low castes of Somalis, and particularly that they are believed to be ethnic Jews in a strongly Muslim country. "We were never given our rights," he said. For many years the Yibir were forbidden to be educated, and Mr. Hersi says he can barely spell his name. They do work that is considered to be base, like metalworking and shoemaking. Traditionally many earned money through the Somali belief, stretching back perhaps centuries, that it is lucky to give the Yibir a small amount of money when a son is born or at a marriage. Mr. Hersi cannot say exactly how or when his ancestors made it to Somalia, though he believes that about 25,000 Yibir live there and in neighboring countries like Ethiopia, Djibouti and Kenya. Stories passed down from his forefathers have it that they came as Arabic-speaking teachers more than 1,000 years ago. He said there was no relation between them and the Jews of neighboring Ethiopia, many of whom still practice Judaism. It is hard to say exactly how the Yibir are Jews, or why they treated so badly because of it. The Yibir not only know nothing about Judaism, but they also say they have no intention of converting or, like the Ethiopian Jews, seeking resettlement in Israel. "That would only make more problems," said another Yibir, Muhammad Ali Hassan, a trader in the emirate of Dubai on the Persian Gulf. The process of getting their one seat has been typically difficult. Mr. Hersi said he had never received an invitation even to come to the conference, though he made it here with the help of the United Nations. In negotiations with other outcast clans, the Yibir originally were given two seats in Parliament, but a few days ago, one was stripped from them. Still, he said, one seat is a start. "Before we had nothing," he said. "This is the beginning, the first step." NY Times August 15, 2000

I know!!!...I can see al the oil dripping from the twinkies!! :eek:

"Since marriage is such a joyful event for the whole Muslim neighborhood, playing the tambourines and having some decent and allowed singing are recommended during the celebration. " What is a decent and allowed singing? and what is a tambourines?

What the hell is this? y'all speaking in tongues !!!

Lucky how did the powder work for you? I learned that you have to wipe the oil from your face before you put the powder on 'cause it'll make you look darker.

fried chicken does the body good... you should try it!! What I don't understand is how can people eat deep fried twinkies? :eek: Nasty Sh!t!! NOw in the minnesota State Fair they started deep frying oreos!!!

heeeey...heeeey!!! people stop bashing the states. We're not lazy...more like large and in charge! Food...its why god made taste buds and man made elastic waste bands!

How did I miss this topic?!! Og-moti--jaalle cadde wlc back...next time you want leave like that....we might not be kind enough to let you back in! We don't take too kindly to people breaking our hearts War bal warka caddeey!!....maxaa cusub? maxaa soo aragtay?

people in the islamic forum don't know what they're talking about except for nur? How did you come to that conclusion?

^^^ I"m glad I held off on my harsh words!!! i had it all worked out....but its nice to see it wasn't you who made that post. peace and luv

yeah I got chain letter like that. Why in the name of GOd people would actually send that to people I don't know.

macaanto aa? damn you are in a good mood huh?

How do you know which of the two puts her family first? REal life examples: I know a few somali women who do juggle a husband, a career and kids. Granted most of the somali women I know are domestic engineers. There's a friend of my moms who is a doctor and her husband is also a doctor. she kids and manages to take care of both the kids and the husband. But this all depends on how understanding and helpful your husband is. If your husband is not willing to help out by doing little things....then you wont be able to have both a career and a family. For example: my aunt is a doctor but she doesn't practive because her husband makes it very difficult for her. That kind of makes you wonder why she went thru 20 some odd years of school just to end up letting all her knowledge go to waste. My last question was asked so I can get your opinion. To me the majority of somali's don't see sex as deed meant for pleasure only. But i'm sort of divided on whether or not they see it as the ultimate expression of love....it depends on what age group or generation we're talking about.

8 days off miyaa? Waa ba yaabay waxaan is iri beeytahay wiilka he aint biting!! balaayo dhulka kula gurguuratay...anaa ig wadaa moohoo....its ok....

Xanaaq aa...this is xanaaq to you? I'm actually in a good mood...see ---> :mad: ...good mood!!

Bisinka iyo burdaha....what is it with you and attacking somaliland?! walaalow wax isku fal bal...we are all somali, all brothers and sisters so why create more divisions?

lol...I'm staying late and the damn boss lady is not here!!! so gediid my love its your lucky day!

on fire huh? war iska keey celi dee....see alla ku yiri!!!

Originally posted by underdog: I interpreted it to be that in the correct sense love is acheived when the woman accepts the man and nurtures his growth as she nurtures the growth of her children. The author makes a connection that men show love by providing and protecting and women by nurturing. Sex, in that context, becomes an expression of their love. He goes on to imply that now sex is just a practice for pleasure - which is true considering the size of the adult industry and mainstream contraceptives - but the main point ( as understood it) is that the union is broken the women can get their sex with out the love or committment. The example of the movie comes in where you have an aging successful woman with a great career with no family and no children...she has so much and yet has nothing. Do the last 2 paragraphs really apply in the somali community? Or does the first paragraph for that matter. Do somali's see sex as an expression of love or just a means to an end....the end being children? I have always wanted to know.

war ani filinka iimaba baxeeyso....ballan waxaan iska qaaday inaan markaad erey tiraahdidba aan 2 kaa dabo dhaho!!!