Originally posted by QUANTUM LEAP: (e) Is of sound mind and no criminal conviction for any serious offence. (f) Is of good character. Then, how the hell did Abdullahi Yusuf get the job? That's how you know this whole Mbegathi thing is corrupt. Originally posted by BN: ..the upcoming revised consitution will have to pass ... at least a vote within the assembly. No one can trust what these morrons in this so-called Parliament vote for. The large majority of them are uneducated and only looking out for themselves, sxb.

Originally posted by Oda_Nobunaga: Buhhodle and it environs secured by force ....After that the population of the rest of sool and eastern sanaag can sink into the sea for all we care. See, now you're talking some sense. So, in essence, the Somaliland idea isn't about recognition but its actually about a land-grab gimmick designed by Hargeisa politicians at the expense of H-clan areas and people? We don't know the future, but as I write these words, Buuhoodle, Sool and eastern Sanaag are ruled by their rightful - and native - sons and daughters. Abdullahi Yusuf was once asked what's the beef between him and Dahir Riyaale. Abdullahi Yusuf said: "Riyaale ma Booraame baan ku haystaa? Hadii Riyaale hooyadii tahay Ingiriis, hoyaday ma aha Talyaani." Kinda captures the general feeling of Sool/Sanaag towards this idea of "Somaliland," don't you think?

Originally posted by Qudhac: wind now i doubt people like these really need your cyber baroor as they probally fully aware of their actions and am sorry to tell you no amount of your sabre rattling is going to wash their hands of the blood for them, i suggest you chill out and let justice take its course You really must have a hard time reading my posts, sxb. All I'm saying can be summed up in a single sentence: BRING ALL OFFICIALS FROM THE FORMER REGIME TO JUSTICE. Not just Col Tukeh and Ali Samatar. For me, sounds like TWO DOWN, THOUSANDS TO GO. For you, my friend, its two from the hated clan-family down, the rest to follow (hopefully). Keep praying dude. Originally posted by India: Wind talker: in my opinion if Ali Samater is the same tribe as Said Barre', we can therfore argue that 1+1=3 indeed. Same advise as missy goes; Come with fact not blind leap of defence. Common Somali rumors have Ali Samatar labelled as a man who hails from one of Somalia's small and neglected tribes. But Ali Samatar was raised by a man from such a tribe. His biological father hails from Las Anod region (therefore, him and Col Tukeh are the same clan lineage - which in turns means from Siyad Barre's clan-family). You're still managing to miss the point, much as your fellow complainer/mourner/victim, QUDHAC. Good luck

Originally posted by Gediid: Wind Talker Laga barey laga baddi ma maqashey.Your news I suppose is yesterdays like all your other stuff.Ka maanta is a bit different The word baaniyal is used in Hargeisa to define a stingy daneeyste. What news dude? What the hell are you talking about? Re-read my previous post then comment upon it. There's no "news" item on there. First, y'all wanna claim Sool and Sanaag as part and parcel of your colonially-inspired Somaliland. Second, when you see Reer Sool and Sanaag don't want you, you begin to downplay their significance by useless number games. Whatever the number of people that live in Las Anod, the point is THEY DON'T WANT SOMALILAND! Get that through your brick heads. Originally posted by Oda_Nobunaga: Ofcourse there is a millitary solution to the border issue, What: the Somaliland special forces will invade Las Anod? They really raised y'all to believe in Somaliland's mystical super power status, huh.

Every time I see a Bashir Godd article, it has something to do with Islam and Somalia. He talks about the relationship between Islam and Somalis in a way that's not in line with mainstream Somali thought. But about the digging up of colonial Italian bones: that was just sick and wrong but it shouldn't be used as a catalyst to wage a war against shieks in Somalia and Mogadishu.

^^ True that. The Greater Somali dream (or pan-Somalism) has always been a dream. Somali leaders of past and present have never came up with a solid plan to implement the dream and make it come true. They've waged useless wars, caused the deaths of many, and managed to put us in an even worse position than the generation before us. Unity will come at a price - but before unity, we gotta have OUR country in order first. We gotta show other Somalis in Ethiopia, Kenya and Djibouti that we can take care of our own, stimulate the economy, achieve a measure of justice, etc.

Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: HornAfrique, Abaayo, before that happens, ...Ma garatay abaayo? HORN - Fiiri, you shouldn't wish for a war between Ethiopia and Egypt. What good could come out of that? Egypt knows better than to wage war against Ethiopia - for they know a war with Ethiopia will gain Egypt the title of Enemy of the West.

I can picture now: "The Return of the Expellees" - sounds like a Broadway play.

What militias does Muuse Suudi have? Didn't Cumar Finish (his lieutenant) chase him out of his house a year ago? I'm always amazed by the people who make the Mogadishu warlords sound as if they're in charge of things. Mogadishu is run by the Islamic courts and independent businessmen. Muuse Suudi long passed over leadership of his sub-clan to Mohamed Dheere. Mohamed Dheere is also a straight-forward politician but he keeps his house clean (Jowhar). He's even been compared to the relative peace in Hiiraan, Puntland and Somaliland. But his claim about African soldiers having AIDS - that's right on point and I agree with him (however, this excuse implies he would prefer non-African peacekeepers). I still don't see the reason for foreign troops. These Mogadishu warlords-turned-ministers should be forced to clean up the Capital!

Originally posted by NGONGE: Did the people of the disputed territories take part in the presidential election? :confused: Yeah. They voted for Adde Muuse. Here's the breakdown of the "disputed" land's Parliamentary votes: Sanaag: 8/11 went to Adde Muuse Sool: 10/14 went to Adde Muuse Originally posted by Farah: The above census was taken in a Qat fueled afternoon in a dingy little room in Hargeisa Was that really necessary? I don't think its wise to insult such a national symbol Originally posted by Libaax-Sankataabte: ...how many houses they have in Laascaanood one by one. It was slightly more than 100 thousand houses. Now, if you assume the worst and say 3 people live in every house (average), you have 300,000 people in LA. LA, LA - big city of dreams!

^^ Is that the army that'll secure Somaliland's eastern border - all the way to (dare I say it?) Garoowe?

Originally posted by Baashi: In his part he called Mr. Hashi a son of Ethiopian father or (A-m-h-a-r). He urged Somalilanders to take closer look at Mr. Hashi facial features! AHAHA Look at his facial features coz Amxaar buu u egyahay! That's a new one.

Originally posted by India: Wind Talker: So in your opinion victims: leeches. Charming walahi. Victims, victims. If this was a crying game based on who shed the most tears, then Reer Waqooyi would BY FAR surpass any other Somali group because they sure know how to shed tears. We've all suffered during Somalia's civil war. We're ALL victims - EXCEPT for the perpetrators of crimes during the past few decades in Somali history. This is the problem: you believe the 1988-90 bombings and so forth to be an attempted genocide. Which is fine. But if that qualifies as attempted genocide, then so do many other events in recent Somali history. But the rest of Somalis aren't still crying. They've picked up whatever meager resources they have left and continued living. Which is an Islamic way of handling hardship. Tii Alle baa Cali Samatar iyo wixii la shaqaynjiray u taal. So if you can't get justice for all criminals, then why continue picking-and-choosing a few? Looks like you're the one running away from answering that fundamental question. Name one case where a person NOT from Barre's clan-family was charged. ONE!

^^ I don't think you got my point. I know that represensatives from all the regions include the various clans. What I'm saying is: since Buuhoodle district is part of Puntland, then shouldn't it have representatives? They don't even have a single person to represent their interests. I suppose you're inferring that representatives from Sool Region should suffice the required quota for Reer Buuhoodle. But that's just pure bullshit. Its unfair, unjust and needs to come to the attention of the people and the government. You don't reel in support by excluding people and including some people. Its not a freaken social club or popularity contest.

Originally posted by dawoco: As for Valentines day, if two individuals are in love they don't need a specific day to honour that love, they will do it constantly with kind gestures and honest actions, not materials. That's the most anti-capitalist thing I've ever heard. Valentine's Day, Mother's Day, Father's Day - they're all capitalist days designed for capitalizing on the wallets of dreamers, Romeo-ans and Juliet-ans. The supposed religious meaning of Valentine's Day is superficial compared to the monetary meaning and value it sits on today! And Somali people are throwing parties on Valentine's Day. Champions of Jahli-ism, no?

^^ I doubt the Uncles listen to the wishes and needs of the people. If they did, they would've retired a long time ago! INDIA - I don't know any Ali Samatar supporters but I'm sure they could care less for what you had to say. Ali Samater was part and parcel of a larger community of Somali leaders who were inclusive of all Somali clans. So, my question lingers on the parallel with Prof Togane's: why are these leeches picking on Ali Samatar and Col. Tukeh? There were hundreds of civil and military leaders that could be accused of having power to make decisions within the former Somali regime. Yet, these leeches (the people who filed the lawsuit) are single-handedly picking on men from Siyad Barre's clan-family. Why oh why? Originally posted by NASSIR: This man affiliates not to the larger clans of Somalia. He is from a minority clan. Minority clan? He raised by a man from a minority clan but Ali Samatar traces his lineage to the Las Anod region of Somalia.

Originally posted by Suldaanka: quote:Originally posted by Qudhac: i think her uncle who is a somaliland minister should be shot for being such coward and not even saying one word in her defence in all that time what a wetbag. That was uncalled for man. What do you think we are? a lawless country? I'm sure this wasn't your intention but that little piece made me laugh. But QUDHAC, you're right man. That guy is a coward. He should've said SOMETHING! Good thing the much-talked about chick is finally being let go. Warkeeda baaba iga batay!

Originally posted by Farah: Professor I. M. Lewis, an anthropologist and a former British Colonial Officer I lost respect for this guy when, in an earlier article posted on Hiiraan Online, he called the Sayyid (Mohamed Abdullah Hassan) and his movement (the Dervishes) a "scar" on the history of British Somaliland. He's a neo-colonist dressed in a macawis. So what he can speak Somali?

Did you guys know that in Japanese schools, Imperial Japan's atrocities in the Korean Peninsula in the pre-WWII period are not documented? Despite their best efforts, however, Japan's Imperial atrocities are well-documented the world over. These leeches overtly pick-and-choose who to file a lawsuit against - and they're only picking on men who were the same clan-family as the late General, Siyad Barre (alaha u naxaristo). Are we to believe that only one Somali clan-family was included in the Somali government? Are we to believe that all the human rights violations were committed by members of one clan-family? Like I said in an earlier post (this is repetitive), either go after all criminals or go after none. They want us to believe one clan-family did all the harm while everyone else was a victim. They want to delete their dirty history (much as Japan) while one clan-family's is made front-page news. Their crap is so tribalistic in nature than even Prof Togane wrote a piece about their ill-fated intentions: http://www.mudulood.com/OpinionPage751.htm Oooh, we're victims. Hug me, PM Blair!

Originally posted by Ambassador: first of all puntland found a secure and large market to sell their products to...now puntland can export it for money wich is beneficial to puntland's economy...the qaad airplanes would come back to ethiopia totally empty, but not anymore. they will be filled with puntland products...puntland will also import building materials, electrical wiring, sugar etc. for cheap. in return government owned company biftu-dinsho is allowed to use boosaaso and garacad ports for import/export with a discount on the port taxes, but the puntland owned company someth will be given special status in ethiopia. and wardheer city in kilinka shanaad (wich is practically ethiopian occupied puntland) will become the trading hub of someth and biftu-dinsho. You've just stated all the reasons why these self-labeled Somali "patriots" and warlord supporter-turned-federalists are against this Ethio-Puntland trade pact. They simply can't stomach economic growth in "expellee" land. These are the same guys who want justification for the creation of Puntland What a joke! The other guy is mad because Berbera port is becoming more and more of a desert. Djiboutian Pres Ghelle told Riyaale the Runner to shut down Berbera Port so the ETs would be forced to use Djibouti port. Who would've thought this plan would backfire and give Puntland (his enemy) a boost.

Originally posted by Xu: Does the cause really not matter? Cause always matters. Since the bin Saud family allowed non-Muslims to launch an attack on a Muslim country, I believe they’ve committed the worst kind of treason. The Iraq War was so wrong, so ill-timed that even the Christian nations, such as France, wholly opposed it (albeit, France had its own interests in the region)! So, what “cause†does the bin Saud family have for supporting America’s imperialist agenda? Saddam Hussein was a terrible tyrant – that’s a given. I actually agree with GW Bush when he said the world is “better off†without Saddam. Yet, the bin Sauds lacked the foresight to see today’s dilemma! Saddam is gone, Iraq is in shambles. Whatever injustices Saddam committed over the course of his dictatorship has been matched and passed by American arrogance and xoog-isku-sheeg-ism in the short, two-year period they’ve been there. Originally posted by Xu: Would for instance, the Saudis have been right in ignoring Saddam and forcing the West to ignore him too, if he was committing terrible crimes, because any attack would involve the killing of Iraqi muslims? Saddam Hussein is a Muslim who ruled a Muslim nation. Therefore, I think it would’ve been wiser to find a Muslim solution to a Muslim problem. As Muslims, we’re taught to think of each other as “brothers and sisters.†When one of the “brothers†is being trouble, it’s a family matter that needs to be solved from within. America is a foreigner and had no right interfering into the affairs of a family! If the bin Sauds really sought to take Saddam out of power, would they have waited for GW Bush’s religious crusade? This guy (GW Bush) calls the Iraq war a “crusade.†The language should’ve been enough to renounce any attack on a fellow Muslim – and Arab – nation. Originally posted by Xu: Also, in your opinion, are muslim deaths as collateral damage ever acceptable? In war, there will always be collateral deaths. But this was an unjustified and imperialist war based on GW Bush’s religious beliefs and stereotypes. There are many “tyrants†in the world – yet, Iraq had to be the #1 tyrant. If he’s serious about punishing tyrants, why doesn’t he attack North Korea? Over a million people have died from government-imposed starvation alone! The Bush administration’s anti-Iraq nature has been a well-documented saga stretching back to the first Gulf War. The bin Sauds were well aware of all this – yet, they decided to support him militarily in his efforts to colonize a Muslim nation. I’m sure they factored in collateral Muslim deaths in their decision to support the Iraq war – so, I suppose they find collateral Muslim deaths as acceptable. Originally posted by Xu: How about those muslims who were fighting to keep Saddam in power, as soldiers, police, guards and informants? Saddam had a government. Of course, some people supported him. Some people supported (and still support) Hitler’s “final solution.†But, that’s just a minority. They were in a privileged position in Iraqi society – why would they give that up? I’m not going to justify their actions, but the reality on the ground gave them little choice. Those soldiers and policemen have families to feed. The decisions came from the upper echelons of power – they were the mere footmen. I’ve answered your questions to the best of my ability. And now, my fingers hurt.

I rarely find myself to be speechless. This is one of those times. Purely unconscionable!

LOOOL 11. Run into the exam room looking about frantically. Breathe a sigh of relief. Go to the instructor, say "They've found me, I have to leave the country" and run off. That was classic! They might believe you cause your a Muslim.

Northern and western Mudug is part of Puntland, yet they have 10 representatives in the Parliament. Eastern and southern Sanaag are also represented in the Parliament by 11 votes. So, where's Buuhoodle's (Cayn) representatives? If they're discriminating against Buuhoodle because its not a "complete" region - then, the same could be said about Sanaag and Mudug.

Originally posted by J B: What took place in South Somalia in the 90s ( known otherwise as "civil war" )will never justify what few ppl do in Bosaso today in the name of a Clan based phony State. Exactly what "justification" does Boosaaso need from you? :confused: For me to build my house, stimulate my economy, unite with my neighbors, live in peace and have a centralized political system - I need "justification" from you? JUMATATU - I asked a simple question: Do you believe Mogadishu warlords were "patriotic" when they carried out their rage in the early '90s? I mean - when Somali national symbols were torn down, public institutions were destroyed, millions were forced to flee or killed. Exactly who was the enemy? The former military regime or a certain Somali tribe? I'm sure you know the answer to these questions. But lemme ask you this one: in the post-1991 era, do you feel as if you've gained your "freedom"?