Originally posted by LIQAYE: In the end somali politics practised by Duke, Jumatatu or wind.talker is a chronicle of talking up murders, killers, and the scum of the earth, Care to share where I supposedly "talked up killers?" I'm intrigued..

Originally posted by Xoogsade: though I doubt a military support coming from him would do anything good for Abdullahi if there was a conflict. Why? LIQAYE - I didn't make the 'sudden interest.' Read Somali websites - there's more and more info coming from Jowhar and Mohamed Dhere's leadership. Let the guy get his 15 minutes of fame, fadlan.

How is this news? And why single-handedly name Xuseen Caydiid as Somalia's political flip-flopper (knowing that Somalia has many such men)? He wants to be on the winning side. You say he's not sure which side will win - I'm pretty positive when it comes to crunch time (when it really matters), Xuseen Caydiid won't be dumb enough to find himself on a sinking iceberg (Mogadishu warlords' future). Him and Qanyare - both highly-unprincipled men - will be Mogadishu's ultimate survivors. Mark my words.

Good stuff. Seems like oh boy's leadership has been overlooked for some time. More informational investment ought to be carried out for Middle Shabelle, its politics, social activities and so fo forth. I can see Abdullahi Yusuf's strength southern Somalia derives from the support Mohamed Dhere extends to him, militarily or politically, making him the TFG's most important ally.

Originally posted by Duke_Valantino: In 24 hours their bluff has been called, Mohamed Dheere has clearly shown how weak they are, the loss of Aydeed highlights how unorganised the whole process was. They wanted to turn this into a tribal war, just like 1991. But, as in everything else in their lives, they've failed once again. Xusen Aydeed might be an opportunist, but he knows the days of warlordism are coming to a gradual - and permanent - halt. He much rather be on the winning side. Meeqo mar bay ku heshiiyeen inay sugaan amaanka Muqdisho? Sounds like another useless peace-signing deal. P.S. Anyone notice how Mohamed Dhere downplayed Qanyare's significance in Muqdisho - let alone Somali - politics?

Originally posted by Jumatatu: cause he is trusted by the people he does not represent. Does that tell you anything..? Somali Prime Minister Mohamed A Ghedi represents me because, in the larger context of the international community, he is the de facto 'Somali' PM. Secondly, he's one of the few Somali politicians of today who don't have Somali blood on their hands. For that, I support him. Maybe you'd want him to represent Guriceel/S.Galkacyo folks who oppress the unarmed civilians of Baraawe, no? Like Mohamed Dheere said - power in Muqdisho belongs to the dominant clan, not the refugees who fled Hobyo in the Gen. Aideed (alaha u naxaristo) era!

Let's see: OPTION A - PM Ghedi - professor of vetenary science, even before Somalia political downfall. Therefore, a noted and important member of civil Somali society. OPTION B - Commerce Minister al-Xaaji Calasow - illiterate limo driver before the war; brutal warlord during the war In a civilized society, the obvious choice would be Ghedi. An important question to ask is: what kind of society would support Option B? I think the selection of PM Ghedi - an educated brother - was a wise choice that already balanced power in this TFG. The president hails from the warlord/military wing of Somali politics while the PM hails from civil society. What other balance does one need? JB (and like-minded individuals) Wake up and smell the coffee. The BBC interview al-Xaaji Calasow gave about the future of the Somali presidency (which stated that only members from his clan-family are entitled to leadership - and made him folklore hero) was false. Its not the Qur'an. Its the words of a warlord who - to this day - has yet to do a single, constructive thing for Somalia or Somalis as a whole. I know men like JB who hide under the facade of anti-foreign forces blah blah. In essence, y'all still mad your beloved idols are not holding the top post - as predicted by your famed leader al-Xaaji Calasow. Political failure after political failure - that's been the past of the defunct USC and its future. Too bad PM Ghedi enjoys plenty of support from Somalia's civil society (me included). I think he's the balance that's keeping this government afloat - for Col Yeey alone would spell disaster.

SHEIK MUHAMMAD BIN AWAD - Please, for the love of religion, dignity and integrity, drop the name 'Sheik' from your screen name. Your words and the honorable title you've reserved for yourself are far apart. I suppose this is what's wrong with our Islam of today. ANYWHO, Originally posted by HornAfrique: That should tell you Duke that no one is against this transitional government, although a sizable number of people hold reservations about Col Yey (you got this name stuck on me Wind ) heading it. LOL Horn Col Yeey (the Jackal) is a creature like no other. No reason to honor him with a name like 'Yusuf' I'm with Mohamed Dheere on the troop deployment issue because the guy told the truth. He said the places where 'protests' against foreign troops happened are occupied areas in southern Somalia, namedly Shabeelaha Hoose and W/Muqdisho. I believe Barre Hiiraale's assertion that he respects the 'law' is similar to Education Minister Cosoble (from Hiiraan Region) - who said that he doesn't relate to this so-called private USC meeting in Nairobi who agreed to 30 clauses. Read Salad Xiis' analysis on Hiiraan Online - quite impressive. He simply asks: "HOGAAMIYEYAASHI KU HESHIIN WAAYAY 9 QODOB MAKU HESHIIN KARAAN 30 QODOB?" And the term he uses to describe Somalia's political flip-floppers - "jileyaal" - is right on target. http://www.hiiraan.org/2005/mar/wararka_maanta12.htm Its seems the 'Col Yeey is coming for revenge' train is getting emptier by the minute. By the time that train stops, political failures such as Sudi Calasow Cimrow Yalaxow (or whatever the hell he calls himself) and Cismaan the Short and Fat will the loners left on board. I know for sure when it comes to crunch time, Aideed Jr and Qanyare (the ultimate flip-floppers) will join the train that'll deliver them to a better destiny.

Friday, March 11, 2005 Bush makes wrong choice for U.N. By HELEN THOMAS HEARST NEWSPAPERS WASHINGTON -- President Bush's decision to send hard-liner John Bolton to represent the United States at the United Nations carries this clear message: Expect more tough talk from the United States. What can Bush have been thinking? The president and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice made recent trips to Europe to extend an olive branch to old allies and friends who have become estranged because of the administration's belligerent policies. Bolton's appointment makes me wonder if the administration's recent peace-making was merely a line touted strictly for public consumption. The surprise selection of Bolton as the chief U.S. diplomat at the United Nations is a sorry leap backward. Bolton, a former senior vice president of the American Enterprise Institute -- a think tank that serves as the half-way house for conservatives waiting for their next job in a Republican administration -- had been serving as undersecretary of state for arms control. Conservatives were delighted with his nomination. Danielle Pletka, an AEI colleague, said it was "great news" and added "this could not be a more fun nomination." Bolton has never disguised his antipathy for international agreements. He once declared, "There's no such thing as the United Nations." He told a World Federalist Association conference in 1994, "If the U.N. Secretariat building in New York lost 10 stories, it wouldn't make a bit of difference." In announcing the appointment, Rice said Bolton "is a tough-minded diplomat. He has a strong record of success and a proven track record of effective multilateralism." She also praised his ability to "get things done." Bolton has been confrontational and abrasive in dealings with Iran and North Korea. He also has been playing with fire by advocating an independent Taiwan, a spiel that has riled China. During the period of 1994-96, Bolton was paid $32,000 by the Taiwan government for writing three treatises on U.N. membership. His hardline approach won plaudits from the American Conservative Union. ACU chairman David Keene once referred to Bolton as "our man at the State Department" and joked that Bolton was in charge of the "American desk" in the department. It's pretty clear that Rice did not want the domineering Bolton as her No. 2 at the department. She instead chose Robert Zoellick, the milder former trade representative, to serve as deputy secretary. Bolton's style is to flaunt U.S. superpower military status and to lay down the law to other nations: Our way or the highway. A diplomat he is not. The old cliche "A bull in a china shop" comes to mind. North Korean officials have been so angered by Bolton's high-handed rhetoric that they refuse to negotiate with him. Former Secretary of State Colin Powell tried to ease the situation by sending other envoys to the Asian negotiations. Bolton will succeed the gentle John Danforth, a former Republican senator from Missouri, and will have to be confirmed by the Senate. Senate Majority leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., called Bolton an "outstanding candidate" for the U.N. job. Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., the Democratic leader, said it was "a disappointing choice and one that will send all the wrong signals." Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was silent on the subject. Lugar's spokesman said the senator had urged Rice to consider candidates for the U.N. post who would have "wide support" and would help build a "consensus on foreign policy." No one thinks that job description fits Bolton. Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., was more pointed in his skepticism about Bolton's selection. "We need alliances, we need friends," Hagel said. "To go up there and kick the U.N. around doesn't get the job done." Bolton said Monday that he "would roll up my sleeves" in carrying out U.S. policies to reform the United Nations. His heavy hand and dictatorial style will also have to be reformed if he wants to succeed in the international organization. Helen Thomas is a columnist for Hearst Newspapers. E-mail: helent@hearstdc.com. Copyright 2005 Hearst Newspapers. THE WRONG CHOICE, PERIOD! EXPECT MORE ANTI-AMERICANISM AT THE U.N.

I've always wondered whether or not the USC (the rebel movement) ever had a political manifesto, as did, say, the SNM. The USC political agenda was to overthrow the Barre (alaha u naxaristo) regime and then what...? Fight amongst each other forever? I brought this up because of the would-be "landmark" deal between the USC leadership in Nairobi talking about disarming and organizing a single militia, opening the sea and airports unconditionally, and opposing the inclusion of any frontline troops in a African Union peacekeeping mission. How valid is this "deal?" Can they really administer Benaadir Region now, after they failed to for the past 15 years?

Ghelle is a character, though. He runs a country where you can ride a bike from one corner to the other corner, yet, he somehow imagines leading a powerful Horn of African nation. Just because he can tease the Ethiopians with his ever-important French-built seaport. Not bad, not bad at all!

SXB, this looks too good to be true. Sounds like more talk from the G8 nations. All talk, no action - that's the West's Africa policy. But we'll see if this tree bears any edible fruits..

Originally posted by Rahima: Whilst I agree that it is not at it’s peak, I ask you how would you know how life in Mogadishu is when you have not seen for yourself? If anyone is ignorant it seems to be you on this subject (no pun intended) for it is you who relies on nothing more than hearsay from the Somali media outlets (full of BS most of the time). I don’t want to get into arguments over the same thing, but for the love of God, don’t waste your time on trying to belittle Mogadishu or any other city for that matter- try to boost your morale in other ways. Talk about how great PL is but leave others alone . A couple of quick points. 1) You agree so we technically have nothing to argue about 2) I was born and raised in Mogadishu, so that makes me a true native, as opposed to the folks who claim the city based on 'blood'. No, I have not been there since 1990. Neither have I been to Tel Aviv - but I know its not a safe place. News - whether biased or not - gives you a picture of someone or something, and its on you to DECIDE. I am not here to 'belittle' Mogadishu. I'm expressing my view that Mogadishu is not a safe place. Also, I was responding to the guy when he said Mogadishu is at its 'peak' today, as opposed to in the past. I've never been to Puntland - so why would I talk about how 'great' it is? Matter of fact, when I have ever talked about how 'great' Puntland is? I've criticized Puntland, Somaliland, and Mogadishu. I wonder why you only read the Mogadishu responses. And what's with the 'boost your morale' nonsense. Is that the retarded form of reverse psychology they taught you growing up? Just wondering. But, my turn to ask a question. Other than you being a female, is there a difference between you and JUMATATU (honorable USC spokesman)? TO THE BELIEVERS: Like PEACE ACTION said, this so-called TFG leadership isn't a one-man show. There's a Parliament and a Cabinet. The President alone can't make the decisions, for they're watching, and we're watching. I suggest people stop giving so much credit to Col. Yeey. This crap about he's coming for revenge - revenge for what? If anything, the people that needed revenge (and who got it in 1991) were the USC folks. This facade of anti-Ethiopian or anti-foreign troops is a way to say, in a politically correct manner, that WE ARE AGAINST ANY CHANCE OF SOMALI NATIONAL UNITY AND GOVERNANCE. They (Mogadishu warlords) did the same when Abdiqasim Salad was elected (and so did various other warlords). These USC leaders sign deals everyday of every year, talking about we'll clean up Mogadishu. For how long? 15+ years of failure. The Somali nation mustn't fail simply because Mogadishu failed. If Reer Mogadishu don't want the government and don't want to become the Capital, it will removed. Time to move forward, with or without Mogadishu!

Look, essentially, what we dealing with here is a bunch of war/druglords (killers) and the battle between them for control of Somalia. Obviously, the most ruthless of them all will triumph. I just pity for the innocent souls caught in the crossfire!

RAHIMA - Abdiqassim Salad gave up the 'power' to rule a couple of Mogadishu neighborhoods. A truly remarkable achievement. Should we enlist him in the Somali Political Hall of Fame (to perhaps enjoy the same aura of respect Md. Adan Adde enjoys)? Yet, I wonder if he would've readily given up 'real' power - say, if he ruled all of Benaadir Region, would he give that up for some other 'president?' Originally posted by Xoogsade: Education, business and entrepreneurship are all at their peak. Mogadishu is at its educational and economic 'peak' now? SXB, all progress must be rewarded but to say that Mogadishu is at its BEST today is not only an insult, but it is also foolish. Aside from the enterpreneurship of a margin of the population, the rest of the natives live a daily life where armed thugs control the streets. There is nothing close to semblance of law and order - so how can it be at its 'peak'? Generations of children are growing up with the sounds of bullets and missiles etched into their earlobes. No, bro, only an ignorant man would claim that Mogadishu is at its 'peak' today. Mogadishu was East Africa's brightest star in the 1980s - today, its one of the most dangerous places in the world. Let's not kid ourselves with coffee shop pride. Originally posted by HornAfrique: It's not as much as what had done, as much as what he could have done had he been given half the chance. Given the chance, even I 'could' have done something. Speculation doesn't bring results, bro. 'What could've been' shouldn't be placed on a man's political resume. Originally posted by HornAfrique: Mudane Abdiqasim Salad Hassan was legitimately chosen the president of Somalia, while mudane Jaamac Cali Jaamac was legitimately chosen, by the Puntland issims, to be the president of Puntland State. THOSE democratic processes were a condamnation of DEATH to the qabqablayaals and their control of affairs in their regions. The Arta Initiative was a failure because it sought to 'empower' the powerless - civil soceity. That's a highly unrealistic goal. The warlords pulled out of the talks - and honestly, I supported the Arta government before Abdiqasim Salad's interior mental design implanted itself on the Somali political arena. He focused on dismantling Puntland and the RRA administration more than creating an administration for Mogadishu itself. Why? Jama A Jama - although elected by 'some' members of the Issims - didn't have TOTAL legitimacy for the Puntland leadership. You'll have to remember that some Issims caught on to Jama A Jama's close relations with the Arta folks and openly declared their support for an extension of Col. Yeey's presidency. The Issims, in effect, were divided between Col. Yeey and Jama A Jama. I'm still not convinced a man of Abdiqasim's character is the 'best choice' for Somalia. Why launch sneaky political attacks on peaceful places such as Puntland and RRA-controlled areas (Bay and Bakool)? You'll have to remember that he succeeded in dividing up the RRA and look at what you have today. Different branches of RRA are always fighting in Bay Region. How can that be classified as a good (esp. when you realize it was Abdiqasim's sneaky tactics that led to the intra-RRA rivalry)?

Allaha u naxariisto Gudoomiyaha.

Originally posted by Rahima: he was at least man enough to let go of power The power to control two hotels? C'mon, save the preaching for the uninformed. Abdiqasim Salad's Arta regime was a failure of the greatest magnitude. He made ill-fated attempts to destroy the decency and unity Northeastern Somalis had acquired over the years; and to dismantle the RRA rebel group; and lastly, he openly armed a branch of JVA forces who were then engaged in a clan militia battle with Gen Morgan's SPM militia. He armed men of his sub-clan by buying weapons with the $150+million dollar grants he'd received upon being elected. His beneficiaries: the so-called Islamic Courts, Sh. Dahir Aways, Yusuf Indhacade, Yusuf Mire Seeraar, etc. Abdiqasim Salad is just like his father: a clan ugaas. He can't function as El Presidente with such a title denoted to him by his kinsmen.

In short, Muslims are a people with a magnificent past and a humiliating present.[/QB] The 'nuxur' of the essay, no? Very meaningful account of Somali Islam. But I wasn't aware that we were so disloyal.

Abdullahi Yusuf is a hateful man. Do you need an SOL forum to tell you that? He's the same guy who told certain men to leave a Garoowe meeting because they were 'mucaarad' to him. Originally posted by Rahima: Last I remember PL is part of Somalia, hence when Cabdiqaasim was president and Galayr the prime minister they should of have received the utmost support from folks such as CY, but we all know that this was not the case. Abdullahi Yusuf wasn't the only military leader who opposed the Arta regime. Shatigaduud-led RRA opposed the Arta regime, Mohamed Dheere, Aydiid Jr. etc - members of the so-called SRRC. Arta was doomed to fail the day Abdiqasim Salad decided to land the plane in Muqdisho as opposed to the already-agreed-upon landing in Baydhabo (thus, the RRA's rejection of Arta)! Abdiqasim did his best to disunite the RRA and now we have several branches. He tried the same tactics in Puntland - but failed, because he picked a weak leader (Jama A Jama) to challenge Puntland strong Abdullahi Yusuf. HORN - Since Abdiqasim Salat is the best hope for Somalia, I'd like to know what good he brought for Somalia? What schools he built, what hospitals he refurbished etc. In essence, 'waxtarkiisa' as El Presidente..

Unity Delivered on a Silver Plate Does not Come twice! As much as I love Somali unity, stock must be taken of some hard facts. It cannot be denied that in the North there is self-administration and none elsewhere except for Puntland where there is a degree of self-governance. I can say this because I have been to the North not long ago. In November 2003, invited by a friend, I stayed in Hargeisa for a week. I went to school in Hargeisa during my teenage years. Beletweyn also was where my family and I lived and I attended primary schooling there during my childhood in the early 1960s. Here too is a city, like Hargeisa, for which I have profound attachment. And they are not the only such Somali cities. During my visit I saw for myself the normality and progress that prevail in Somaliland. I say Somaliland because this is the name my brothers and sisters in the North have chosen. From life-long experience I must say the Northerners are largely very good people. They never deserved what they had been put through. Nor did the rest of our people in other parts of our country. I admire our people in the North for their unique qualities. They do not dwell on bitterness: especially when brought about by ignorance, ineptitude and misgovernance. Hargeisa today is populated not only by Northerners but also by Somalis from other regions. For instance, the main telephone company laying cables in the streets of Hargeisa is owned by someone from the Somali regions in Ethiopia. Cynics, of course, may jump to the conclusion that my visit to the North was a kind of clan expedition to forge some cross-clan alliance: feel sorry for such individuals! They need to grow up! Throughout my weeklong stay in Somaliland, I was able to witness the perseverance and ingenuity of our people in the North. I understand what they are up against. Even so, I also recognise that whilst the whole of Europe (including the former communist states in Eastern Europe) is coming together to achieve the strength and benefits which unity brings, the world is reluctant to stomach the emergence of two, three or four impoverished Somali states all carved out from the defunct Somali ‘Democratic’ Republic. Betrayed by the rest of the country which has yet to deliver governance, and a world which does not recognise their efforts, this could well be a no-win situation. As a Somali who loves his people regardless of their clan origins, the North has my sympathy. On the other hand, I am ashamed of those who support warlords and others who prolong our statelessness. Such individuals undermine the emergence of a new Somali State by failing to outgrow clannism. Clinging to old grudges and prejudices is not the way forward. Our brothers and sisters in the North may today possess governance based on self-administration. But a vision of nationhood, which is the basic requirement for statehood and its success, is surely lacking. Governance based on clan and not nation, suggests a fiefdom rather than a state. Governance based on one, two or even three clans will eventually fail. During my stay in Hargeisa, among the number of intellectuals and civil servants I met was Minister Hussein Ali Duale, who, with his colleagues in the cabinet, is striving for the wellbeing of his people. I, for one, am torn between two strong feelings. By all means I feel a desire to help the Northerners in their progress. They deserve the encouragement of all Somalis for their development and self-governance. I’m more than pleased to be involved in the welfare and wellbeing of our ordinary people. And indeed, am involved in the setting up of a salt plant in Berbera which I trust will benefit Somaliland and the wider region. On the other hand I have always believed in the nationhood and unity of Somalia. Despite divisions emphasised by petty-minded leaders, warlords and clan politicians, we are the fruits of one tree. We have many things in common and very few differences. I am wholeheartedly for the re-institution of a Somali state in which there will be good governance based on fairness, equal opportunity, enlightenment and justice: a working system which can accommodate the real needs of our nation and deliver sustainable development. If one day the issue of unity should resurface, it is clear that there has to be a complete cultural change in the idea of governance. It was the misrule of the past which drove the Northerners away and was the root-cause of the state’s demise since it could neither bring about good governance nor foster unity. To ask the North to join a South where there is no functioning government is to ask someone to join in matrimony when there is no home to go to. Only when a proper Somali state is initiated which rights the wrongs of the past and brings about change, progress and hope for ordinary people, should the issue of unity re-surface. The North must continue to govern itself. If one day the rest of the country has a system with a better future for citizens, they may join. If not they will never and should never join. Unity is not out of charity. The best way to make it possible for Northerners to one day consider rejoining a future Somali State is by refraining from attacking their endeavours to govern themselves. Somali unity can never be achieved or maintained by force nor can it be attained by mere persuasion. This text would be incomplete without saying one or two things to our foreign friends. Every nation needs and values foreign friends and even today the Somali nation is not without its share of good friends. They have our respect and gratitude for friendship especially in adversity. At the hour of trial only true friends stay constant. Nonetheless, our foreign friends, who like many of us have been frustrated by the folly of the many ‘peace conferences’ or by their dismal outcome should not despair. Unity and trust, once lost have to be earned. It will take a visionary leader with a highly talented team to restore Somalia by establishing and developing governance that recovers trust and makes unity attractive once more. At the heart of that Government there must be probity and transparency. Unity on a silver plate does not come twice! Abdullahi Dool United Kingdom Hornheritage@aol.com Jamhuuriya Online

JUMATATU - So, at the end of the day, you wholeheartedly believe that I support Col. Ina Yeey and his twisted politics? Because I repeatedly show you the flaws in your idol-like worship of men such as al-Xaaji Yalaxow, whom you openly consider: Originally posted by Jumatatu: Caqiil,Horumood,Guulwade, Mujahiid,etc. Al-xaaji Muse Sudi Yalaxow et al. Quote me when I praise Col. Ina Yeey fadlan. I have some 300+ posts on SOL under this nick - and another 200+ on a "wind.talker" nick that I lost the password to. Find a quote - any QUOTE - from me that praises Col. Ina Yeey please. Until you do so, your mentality of labelling me pro-Col. Ina Yeey hasn't surpassed the tribal affiliation level. But you, my friend, I got tons of quotes in which you openly support murderous men such as illiterate limo driver al-Xaaji Yalaxow. You want to put Somalia's leadership in his hands? I see why other SOL members have given up on you bro. I shall do the same. Cheers Originally posted by Xoogsade: Wind.talker, It is all good if Ethiopia is staying out of this. Abdullahi Yusuf can put these rumours to rest by saying frontline states won't be included. I think you're placing too much emphasis on the words of Col. Ina Yeey here, sxb. He's but one man. Its this so-called Federal Parliament that will ultimately decide whether or not frontline troops are to be included in any future A.U. peacekeeping force - Col. Ina Yeey alone can't decide on an issue of such magnificence. I'm pretty sure no collection of Somalis will ever vote to land Ethiopian (or Kenyan, for that matter) troops in our national capital. We'll see what the parliament says, though.

Originally posted by Xoogsade: That is how serious people over there took this invasion. What invasion? Look at the facts on the ground: 1) Ethiopia is Somalia's #1 archenemy 2) Somalis have demonstrated AGAINST the inclusion of frontline troops on any A.U./Arab League peacekeeping mission 3) the U.S. state dept recently declared their anti-frontline troops stance; and finally, 4) Ethiopian PM Zenawi's(although we trust him at our own peril) own words that said "the offer was the table" - and that he won't force his troops into our land. Ethiopia regularly enters and leaves Somali soil (some say it even controls several Somali cities). All the fuzz arising from this irrelevant issue (because its all a masquerade) comes from the people who oppose ANY troops because they stand to loose plenty of property, money and control. JUMATATU - One time, Malcolm X was asked why he hated White people so much. He said he didn't hate them, but that he loved his Black race so much more. I think you're like him: you love what your little clan leadership affliation(CLA) is so much that you don't see any of its pitfalls and failures (which probably our number the successes). - You support the same men who've ruined the lives of thousands of Somalis - of all diff clans - You're against Col Yeey not based on his terrible merit as a leader but because you adhere to Al-Xaaji Yalaxow's take on political powersharing in Somalia: with the USC-affiliated clans reserved the right to assume the Presidency forever. - You believe in the fantastic story of "your" peoples plight during the Barre regime - and see the Somali civil war (post-1991) as a 'freedom' of sorts. But from whom or what? I could go on and on forever. Perhaps that's why I've given up on you. Your thoughts are so convoluted that I think I get mentally sicker everytime I read them. Blind hatred is what's gotten us into this socio-political mess. I suggest that you move on from always seeing the short-term gains of Somalia's current state of failed politics (as do your idols - the war/druglords of Benaadir) to attempting to look into the long-term effects: if we continue at this rate, do you have any idea how many generations' lives we've ruined? You think al-Xaaji Yalaxow cares about this? Men like you put your trust in men like al-Xaaji Yalaxow - I suppose that tells me a lot about the nature of your character.

D/P

Waraa NGONGE - How dare you man!? The people who signed this very important document - namely Somali Intellectuals Without A Home - are fathers, husbands, sons and refugees. Show more respect to our intellectuals, namely high-caliber men such as Dr Galaydh But seriously, you guys make fun of politicians, warlords, and now, intellectuals? Dammit! No wonder we're going downhill. Shidh

Originally posted by Xoogsade: Win.talker, Qasab miyaa in Amxaaro la soo dhowesyto waa adigan mar walba dad ku eedeynaayee Amxaaro diidmadeeda for whatever reason? When did I ever ask you or anyone else to welcome the Ethiopians? Read and re-read my comments bro. I'm against the presence of any Ethiopian or Kenyan troops on Somali soil. I've said that time and again. What I can't stand this these newly-reborn Somali nationalists (war/druglords) appealing to the Somali people about the invasion by enemy (i.e. Ethiopians). My enemy was and has been for the past 15 years corrupt Somalis who've held positions of power and abused it repeatedly. Not Ethiopians. This Ethiopian troops thing in Somalia will NEVER happen. The world won't allow it. They're crying because they don't want to release their hold on power in certain pockets of Mogadishu. Even ex-President Abdiqasim Salat supports foreign troops - with the exception of Ethiopian/Kenyan (frontline) troops. I agree with him. Originally posted by Jumatatu: I have noticed with this thread the gloves are off, and SkyAfrican (aka, WD & Nationalist) Hmm..Interesting.. Originally posted by Duke_Valantino: One major success of the trip was the agreement ending hostilities signed between the clans of Hobyo, however neither Juma nor JB even made any comment regarding this important development, Coz their side was losing, duh.. Didn't you hear about the White Ox refugee crisis in Hobyo?