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Should the Arms Embargo on Somalia be lifted? Absolutely not! We have enough weapons in Somalia as is.

Asalamu calaykum Fundamental Points Regarding Surah Al-‘Asr: 1. The first point is that this is one of the earliest surahs of the Glorious Qur’an to be revealed. It was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) in the earliest period of his prophethood in Makkah. 2. The second point is that it is one of the shortest surahs of the Glorious Qur’an as it has only three verses, the first of which is comprised of only one word “Wal-Asrâ€. 3. The third point is that it is one of the most comprehensive surahs of the Glorious Qur’an. The Holy Qur’an is a book of guidance for all mankind, which has been revealed to guide mankind on the road to success and salvation. This path of salvation towards which the Holy Qur’an guides us has been described with utmost brevity and comprehensiveness in this short surah. The whole Glorious Qur’an is like a tree, and this short surah is its seed. And as a seed contains the total potentiality of a whole tree, Surah Al-Asr contains the essence of the Holy Qur’an. This is why some reports of the Companions of the Holy Prophet (may Allah be pleased with them) indicate that whenever two of them met and sat together they never parted without reciting Surah Al-Asr to each other. And this can be the reason why Imam Al-Shafeii (may Allah bless him) has said about this surah that if the people were to ponder over this surah alone, it would suffice for their guidance. He has also been reported as saying that if nothing else would have been revealed in this Glorious Qur’an except this surah then this surah would have been sufficient for man’s guidance. 4. The fourth point is that the wording of this surah is very simple and easy to understand. The masterpieces of literature of every language are sublime in subject matter and meaning but so simple in style and wording that they can be understood by all. This is why such pieces of liter­ature are easily accessible to everyone. The Glorious Qur’an is the most eminent masterpiece of Arabic literature and in its totality can be understood easily. But this short surah is the best example of the most lucid surahs of the Holy Qur’an. Though it is very complete and all-embracing, not a single high-sounding or elusive word has been used in it. Its words are familiar even to those who are only acquainted with Urdu or Persian, and do not know Arabic.

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^^ You're using one statement to explain different things. To understand what I say, you gotta look at things from a contextual standpoint. First of all, Col Yeey is not a liberator - he's an agitator. Who the hell did Col Yeey "liberate"? I can say the SNM militias fought hard and militarily liberated Waqooyi-Galbeed from Barre's (aun) Army. Col Yeey's involvement with the SSDF was one of the main reasons for its eventual failure. Instead of the SSDF being a tool to fight an oppressive regime, Col Yeey and his supporters turned it into a subclan family picnic to re-launch themselves back into power. With the SNM, generally speaking, they stuck to the ideology of fighting the oppressive regime. That's what I was referring to. And my dislike of the Mbegathi process? Let me say it again: 4.5 Formula. No man on this planet can convince me that there are people and there are .5 people. Because there's no such thing as a .5 person. Its un-Islamic, ridiculous and flat-out tribalist in every sense of the word.

Originally posted by Sky: Wind.talker's notorious keyboard has produced statements such as; "Reer Mogadishu drowning in the Red Sea? Well what comes around goes around", "You Somalilanders are pathetic, being ruled by a former NSS agent" or his last night's emotional breakdown where he displayed his hatred for an entire subclan . Even if I said such things, are they in any way, shape or form untrue? What goes around does come around. For example, Reer Gedo/PL dhuusadooda baa waa Xamar laga fadhin waaye. And look where it got us? We refugees in almost every country on the globe. SL leaders are pathetic because, instead of empowering liberators (i.e. members of the SNM), they hand power over to a former Barre lackey. And just look at the SL during Cigaal's (Allaha u naxaristo) term and compare it to Riyaale's term. Actually, you can't even compare. And don't even get me started on Mudug politics. You see, I don't smile for you then stab you in the back when you look away. If I don't like you, I let you know. What good have the progeny of Mudug brought to Somalia? They've been powered time and again - and all they've done is divide the Somali people along clan and regional lines. If you ask me, nothing socially or politically good has ever come out of Mudug. Only death, division and destruction. How does that translate into my "hatred for a subclan"? If you're interested in being accurate, you should say my dislike of Mudug leadership in Somalia. Those folks can't even agree to live in Galkacyo peacefully (i.e. the Green Line) and somehow they want to fix Xamar, SL and the Indian Ocean roadblocks. Fix your home before you fix others.

This is great. In a different thread, you complained about HORN and what you consider his "boring" Gedo topics. Let me ask you the same question: Who the F cares for which useless and appointed PL official visited which village in Bari region? At least HORN posted words - you're just posting family pictures and sh!t. "Oh look, that's my Adeer." Give it a rest, kid. And don't even lecture to me about so-called Karkaar region - Cadde's attempt to re-establish Qardho as the seat of the defunct Boqortooyo since they realized they have to share Boosaaso.

In the October of 2002, American singer Harry Belafonte criticized then-Secy of State Colin Powell by likening his political behavior to that of a "house slave." In an interview with a San Diego-based radio station, Belafonte said: "There's an old saying. In the days of slavery, there were those slaves who lived on the plantation and there were those slaves that lived in the house. You got the privilege of living in the house if you served the master... exactly the way the master intended to have you serve him." Of course, Belafonte was angry at Black American leaders (namely, Powell & Rice) who loyally serve President GW Bush without ever criticizing his ill-advised policies, domestic or foreign. The media went into a frenzy about how great American general Powell was disrespected in such a demeaning manner. But, was Belafonte that far from the truth? I think not. Powell was, at least in 2002 (before he came to his senses), a "house slave" for the Bush administration. Now, how does this compare to Prof I.M. Lewis? Lewis (in representing the master, i.e. the British Empire) likes the "house slave" who once served him loyally during the Colonial Era. In that same respect, he's willing to bend whichever way to get his beloved house slave an opportunity to shine in northern Somalia, extend his rule into other parts of the country, and perhaps someday, create more loyal "house slaves" for the British Empire. But, the British, and most of all Prof Lewis, are well aware of the differing social temperatures in northern Somalia (back then and now). The politicians who now cry for secession are from a long family line of British loyalists (i.e. house slaves) while in the eastern regions of the ideal Somaliland, the British Empire met one of its greatest anti-colonial challenges in modern history. You'll find that history in the blood of the Somalis, the British, the Indians, and other Africans who lost their lives during the gallant struggle for freedom led by Somali nationalist, poet and warrior Sayyid Maxamed Cabdulle Xasan. The British know this history and that's why they won't interfere in any of this so-called "secession" business. And Prof Lewis also knows this - but he's one of the last remaining elements from the Colonial Era who want to see his version of British honor (read: neo-colonialism) restored in northern Somalia. The old Professor can write a billion scholarly articles, but in reality, the same guns (and the offspring of the same boys) that militarily defeated British forces (and their collaborators, i.e. "house slaves") time and again are still there, waiting. Colonialism is over, old man! Give it up. That's my advice to the Prof.

Does the Sharif care? Does Col Yeey care? None of these men who hold such fancy titles like 'president' and 'speaker' know or care for anything regarding the very constitution they signed. Secondly, Sharif represents a group of Somalis. Its beyond obvious to anyone who's been watching Somali politics in recent months that the Sharif and his Muqdisho wing have lost plenty of ground and momentum to Jowhar. They failed to make use of the anti-Ethiopia europhia following the Parliament fiasco in Nairobi. They failed to fulfill their 30-point peace plan for Muqdisho. They even failed in maintaining the MPs they had in Xamar - and the biggest blow was Boqorre's desertion. What I'm saying is that what we have here are two opposing rebel groups: Jowhar v. Muqdisho. If we get into technical debates about the laws they signed, then they've all done wrong - one way or another, starting with the sudden relocation of Somali capital to Jowhar (for plausible reason, of course). So, in a real democratic system, the TFG's top leaders would be found guilty of treason and breaking the law. But, once again, must I repeat the reality in Somalia: man with the bigger gun wins. And Sharifka has guns from Baydhabo to Marka to Muqdisho. Puntlandpost, HorseedNet and the rest can type fancy articles about technicalities but the reality is there: Jowhar calls Qanyare "security minister." But he flat-out says "I don't recognize Geedi or Yeey." So where's this gov't? It only exists online and in Jowhar offices.

Originally posted by Xoogsade: The mentality of many somalis is that of Bush moron Junior when he said: "You are either with us or against us". Waryee, our beloved President George W(hat?) Bush is not a moron. I actually like him. In one of his fiercest anti-Islamic speeches, he recently said: "The murderous ideology of the Islamic radicals is the great challenge of our new century." So, to him, combatting global pandemics such as poverty, HIV/AIDS and corruption are not great challenges. Ninkaa nin rag ah waaye, sxb. These so-called Muslim leaders are scared to death, not of Bush, but of the same people he fears: real, Saxabah-like Muslims. Because of Bush's policies, the Muslim Ummah - a sleeping giant - is gradually awakening to the global conspiracy against Allah's Holy Religion. And being Somali is only hard on SOL Politics Forum where people constantly try to match your opinions to what they think is your tribal background. But that's just Somali nature. They rarely think outside the box. A Canadian doctor I had a good chat with once told me that he was a true believer in Christianity. I asked him how come so many scientists don't believe in any religion. He said something like "the more you study science, the more you believe that God exists." Science isn't enough to explain all the things that happen in the world, he said. I use the same equation with clan politics. The more you know about clan politics (their origins, various uses, etc.) the more you know how ambiguous and disorganized it really is at the core. It has no foundation that can pass the test of logic. i.e. If "some" Somalis came from Arabia and the rest were imported from Cameroon or whereever, how come we look alike? Kibir iyo faan aan micno leheen daradii baa Soomaali qaarkood waxay isugu sheekeeyaan anagu asal-ahaan Reer Quraysh baanu nahay. LOL Negro please, dheh! Also, does the clan structure have a core base? i.e. There's Reer Puntland, then there's Reer Bari, then there's Reer Caluula, then even those folks break down into sub-sub-sub-sub-clans. WTF? Where's it going then? First, its my clan-family is better than yours. Then its my clan is better than yours. Then its my sub-clan is better than yours. Then its my sub-sub-clan is better than yours. At the end its my father is better than yours. Buncha nonsensical crap! Can only make sense to a punch of ignorant nomads who chew khat and have no jobs. Dhibka Soomaali haysata waxaa sal u ah isfaham-la'aan iyo shaqo la'aan. Dadkaa hadii shaqo loo yeeli lahaa oo mashquul laga dhigi lahaa, maba isu muuqdeen. Intii an ku jirno cidaan baa cidaas dhaanta waligeen meel ma gaareyno. But we're in this hellhole to begin with because we've constantly overlooked the primary foundation of our unity: Islam. Diintu waa sharaf. Hadaadan sharafteeda dhowrin, adaa sharafta lagaa qaadaa. As long as we keep chasing after government models based on man-made (i.e. non-Muslim) strucutures and putting Islam into second-hand position, we'll continue to suffer. Let's not forget the massacres against al-Itixad al-Islaami members in Somalia, esp. in Gedo and Bari regions in the 1990s. Some of the same men who murdered those Muslim activists are now positioned into power in Somalia. And down deeper we go into Hell. 4.5 Formula is a message directly from Hell. I think Amin Camir did an excellent cartoon whereby Somalia's seat in the African Union is reduced to a .5 (tiny seat) and the Somali delegate is told: "idinka bilaabay sheekadaan" or something like that.

This news item raises the question: Who's more powerful between Xamar's notorious warlords and the Midowga Maxkamadaha Islaamiga? The answer to that question depends on how C/rashid Ilqeyte responds to the Courts' threat. The other question it raises for Xamar's warlords is: Who's more of a threat - the TFG-Jowhar or the Courts? :confused: Maxkamadaha Islaamiga oo xalay laga qabsaday gaari Tikniko ah ayaa sheegay in lix saacadood gudahood ay ku weerari doonaan hotelka Saxafi ee magaalada Muqdisho November 05, 2005. HornAfrik. Mogadishu, Somalia. Xiisada u dhaxeysa maxakamadaha Islaamiga ee ka dhisan magaalada Muqdisho iyo ganacsade C/rashiid Ilqeyte ayaa sii xoogeysatay kaddib markii goor dhow maxkamadaha Islaamiga shir Jaraa’id oo ay qabteen ku sheegeen haddii aan la soo celin gaari Tikniko ah oo xalay maxkamadaha laga qabsaday in lix saacadood gudahood ay ku weerari doonaan hotelka Saxafi oo xilligan hoy u ah qaar ka mid ah xildhibaanada baarlamaanka. Xiisadan ka dhalatay Shineemo ku taala Isgoyska No. 4 ee magaalada Muqdisho ayaa sababtay in maxkamadaha islaamiga la kala wareego gacan ku heyntii isgoysakaas oo saldhig u ahaa maxakamada Alfurqaan iyadoo saaka isgoyskaas lagu arkayey maleeshiyooyin si weyn u hubeysan iyo gaadiidka tiknikada ah. Goobaha ganacsiga ee deegaankaas ayaa waxaa ka jiray cabsi iyo welwel la xiriira xiisada dagaal oo halkaas ka dhacda. Guddoomiyaha maxkamada Alfurqaan ee magaalada Muqdisho oo maanta shir jaraa’id ku qabtay xarunta maxkamadaas ayaa qiray in xalay maxkamadaha laga qabsaday gaari Tikniko ah, sidoo kalena laga dhaawacay dhowr Nin waxa uuna weerarkaas ku eedeeyey ganacsade C/rashiid Shire Ilqeyte. HornAfrik mar ay isku dayday inay la xiriirto ganacsade C/rashiid Ilqeyte ayeysan u suurtagalin iyadoo siyaasiin iyo waxgarad ay ka mid ahaayeen Prof Maxamed Faarax Jimcaale, Cabdi Xasan Cawaale Qeybdiid, iyo mas’uuliyiin kale ay dadaal ugu jireen sidii xiisada loo qaboojin lahaa. Maxkamaduhu ayaa u muuqanaya kuwa awood adeegsanaya kaddib markii muddo Lix saac gudahood u qabteen haddii lagu soo celin waayo gaariga Tiknikada ah ee laga qabsaday inay weerari doonaan hotel Saxafi oo hoy u ah xildhibaanada baarlamaanka ee ku sugan magaalada Muqdisho, iyadoo xilliga uu guddoomiyaha maxkamada Alfurqaan uu shirkaa Jaraa’id ku qabanayey xarunta maxkamadaas ay goob joog ka ahaayeen mas’uuliyiin sare oo ka tirsan midowga maxakamadaha islaamiga ee magaalada Muqdisho.

^^ You know Somalia has many Cabdi Guleeds, sxb. Its just that they're constantly overshadowed by militia leaders, mercenary-ministers and illegal business profiteers. But, sooner or later, peace and social justice will triumph over conflict and hate. HORN - Thanks for the post. Once in a while, someone will post an article on SOL Politics with a positive twist that I hope we can all agree to. Like the writer said, I'm one of the folks who've never heard of Cabdi Guleed before now. But rest assured, with such a track record, his reputation will speak for itself.

Oil exploration in Nigeria - which intially promised "economic development" - has long ago turned into an all-out war between the federal gov't (working for the interests of foreign oil companies) and the local populace. Just like the people of Nigeria, the people of a part of Somalia are now being promised "economic development" by a few hungry cats who want to profit from Somalia's war ruins. I'd rather have a dirt poor Somalia led by a just and able leader than a Somalia ruled through proxy leaders who represent foreign interests (government or company). Take note people. The truth is out there. Security Forces Kill Unarmed Civilians While Protecting Oil Majors, Amnesty Alleges Vanguard (Lagos) November 3, 2005 NIGERIAN security forces often gun down unarmed civilians while protecting foreign oil majors in the Niger Delta, rights group Amnesty International said in a just released report, calling on US and British firms to investigate two recent violent incidents. The pressure group's report comes one week before the anniversary of the execution of minority rights activist Ken Saro-Wiwa, who was hanged in 1995 along with eight of his comrades following a controversial show trial conducted by the Abacha regime. Saro-Wiwa had campaigned against the Anglo-Dutch oil major Shell, which he said had brought pollution to the land of the Ogoni minority without contributing to local development. "Ten years after... new evidence shows that the people of Nigeria's oil producing Niger Delta continue to face death and devastation at the hands of the security forces," Kolawole Olaniyan, director of Amnesty International's Africa programme, said in a statement. Amnesty's report focuses on two recent incidents in which deadly force was used by troops after local communities had challenged the rights of two oil majors -- Shell and the US giant Chevron -- to operate in their area. On February 4, soldiers shot one protester dead and injured 30 more when villagers from the Ugborodo community invaded Chevron's Escravos oil terminal, the report alleges. Two weeks later, on February 19, at least 17 people were killed when soldiers from the same Joint Task Force -- which has been deployed to protect the oil industry -- raided Odioma, burning much of the town to the ground in a fruitless search for an armed vigilante group, the report says. " Amnesty International is calling on the Nigerian Federal Government to conduct thorough and independent inquiries into allegations that the security forces killed, injured and raped civilians, and destroyed their property," the statement said. Amnesty "also demands Chevron commission an independent and impartial investigation into the company's role during the incidents at Escravos terminal ... and Shell investigates allegations of a security arrangement between a Shell Nigeria subcontractor and a criminal group in Odioma." Following the February's incidents, spokesmen for both oil firms said that they had no control over the soldiers and sailors of the Joint Task Force (JTF), which is largely housed in oil plants and receives logistical and communications support from the oil companies. The Nigerian government deployed the force in response to the threat to oil production -- the source of 95 of the country's foreign revenue -- from pirates and separatist ethnic groups in the delta, a Scotland-sized swathe of wetlands and mangrove forest on the Atlantic coast. In the case of the Odioma raid, which was launched after a local gang was accused of killing councillors from a nearby community, JTF commander Brigadier-General Elias Zamani told AFP that the town had caught fire after stray rounds hit jerry cans of fuel stored among the houses. But a reporter who visited Odioma saw evidence of more systematic and widespread destruction, with scores of homes and shops burned to the ground and most of the town destroyed. The once busy fishing port was almost deserted following the attack, while local chiefs said that 16 people had been killed and that town leaders had been trussed-up on the beach and beaten. Earlier hostility had broken out between Odioma and nearby Obiaku after Shell sent a survey team to prospect for a new oil well without realising that the land in question was in dispute between the two communities. Shell has shelved plans to develop the well, the company said.

Originally posted by Camel Mlik: Mogadishu warlords who claim to control the city never acknowledged their failures. Does Cadde Muuse - who claims control of Boosaaso - claim his failure in not training his police force? A few days ago, I posted a topic about police ethics in Boosaaso - a city where police officers killed 2 innocent Somali civilians within 24 hours. Did Cadde Muuse admit his wrong in that case? How do you expect Muqdisho warlords to admit their failure every time something goes wrong in a city of 2 million+ people? Give me break. Let me remind you what you wrote in the thread about Boosaaso police behavior: Originally posted by Camel Mlik: [QB] Waryaa since the Puntland Administration is so bad Do you want C/Y back to Puntland or some thing. waryaa nothing is perfect Puntland is not going to be perfect as you want. waryaa such things happen right here in our city in Seattle every single day war slow your roll. http://www.somaliaonline.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=004982 Okay then. Because no place on earth is perfect, Xamar isn't perfect either. Four people getting killed in Xamar is a rampage and it deserves an admittance of failure from Xamar's warlords - but 2 innocent Somalis getting murdered by so-called police in Boosaaso can be simply explained by the fact that Puntland isn't perfect. A very intelligent line of thought, indeed! Does anyone else see the blatant hypocrisy or am I once again talking to the wind? :confused:

Originally posted by Camel Mlik: Don't bring bullshit to the table without prove kidd. (Slaughtered reer Qardho) Don't tell me that is some bullshit you read on some news websit. I don't need a newsite to tell me when Qardho gets attacked by Col Yeey's militias. I have enough eye-witnesses who'll call and tell me. Col Yeey slaughtered hundreds of people in Qardho (his most recent ethnic-cleansing practice). As HORN said, he's done the same in Galdogob and Balanbale districts in the past. These facts are only hidden from the pro-Col Yeey folks. Jamac Cali Jamac has always been a coward. Before and after. I never changed my mind about him. It seems Abduallhi Yusuf is 3 steps ahead of most Puntlanders like yourself huh. Yeah. Thank Allah SWT I'm not a Puntlander. Aside from being a Muslim Somali, I'm an American.

The last time Col Yeey and the Sharif met for peace talks in Yemen, the news said the Sharif requested consultation with key allies, such as Somali nationalists & mujahids Yalaxow-Calasow and Qanyare Iska-Hadalow, before reaching any agreement with Col Yeey. So the question is: Can the Sharif become a decision-maker without consulting third parties? It seems like the Jowhar group is confident in Col Yeey's ability to speak for all of them, whilst the Sharif constantly needs the blessing of Muqdisho loudmouths. Also, it'll be interesting to observe the ways these two men will be welcomed into Kismaayo. Hiiraale sure is playing the right cards.

Additionally, the author eluded that 95% of the northerners voted to secede from the Republic; what a propaganda! That made its way out. The number 95% itself invalidates the legitimacy of the outcome. In free societies this kind of percentages are long time obsolete except if one is under authoritarian rule or Marxist states such as the case of North Korea and some Arab states or in the Somali Regional State of Ethiopia. That's a mean thing to say - comparing the Riyaale admin (elected) to Marxist dictatorships. Remember, the Marxist leader they love to hate (Siyad Barre - Allaha u naxaristo) also had similar winning percentages during voting procedures (always in the 90th-percentile). Strange? Not really, considering the SL leadership consists mainly of students of the late Marxist leader. Moreover, the author is conveying implicitly that northern *****s make up less than 5% of the population of the north; Is that a fact from the book, "Somali Population for Dummies" - the official SNM student guide? I wonder...

97% isn't the only peculiar number in SL political history. According the results of the recent parliamentary elections, the people of Sool & Sanaag regions (which are, according to SL hardliners, part of "Somaliland") have eleven (11) representatives in the SL Parliament. Now, honestly compare that to the fourteen (14) representatives Reer Awdal gained in the elections. No wonder a staunch SNM hardliner had the nerve to comment something to the effect of Reer Sool & Sanaag form 5% of the ideal population. But congrats Riyaale, for he is doing a mighty good job upping his kinfolk. Also, in the new SL Parliament, there are no members from the Somali clan that's a majority in Djibouti (and has traditional lands in Awdal region). TOLSTOY, can you deny any of these facts?

Originally posted by Suldaaanka: And now, another online segment of: What Guulwade Riyaale is Thinking - "They fought, they bled and died. But I'm their Daddy." I think he has a right to smile, afterall.

TOLSTOY - This thread is dedicated to the Somali people. Not Somalilanders - as your mythic passport says. Find a graceful exit, please. Originally posted by Yoonis: Windtalker You claim that Caydiid a vicious murderer who killed so many people from different clans as the only Somali who wasn't an tigre (read ethiopian) stooge. Col Yeey is also a vicious murderer who killed many people from his own clan. I suggest you refer to him in the same manner - or, come out and say Col Yeey is an angel because your daddy (who shares the same tribe with him) told me so. What you aren't aware off is that the same man you praise actually started his vicious plan for Somalia inside Ethiopia with the help of Mengistu. Yes, I am well aware of that. But all Somalia's rebel movements were based in Ethiopia at one point or another because they were fighting to overthrow a military dictatorship. Since that's been done, answer me why Col Yeey is still a Tigre stooge. Answer me why Col Yeey became the first and only Somali leader to allow filthy Ethiopian soldiers on Nugaal (your beloved "homeland", right?) soil. Now, compare that to a time the late Gen. Caydiid (alaha u naxaristo) brought Ethiopian soldiers into Somalia. Don't justify the Tigre stooge's loyalty in the name of the sort of Somali nationalism you believe in. I'm not with it. On top of that the other day you said that the USC were good people (read the ignorant people who overthrew Siyad's regime), Yes, the USC are a bunch of ignorant people who chased us out of the houses we built with our own hands. And Reer Puntland are a bunch of nationalists and everything good in the Somali nation belongs to them. Blah blah. which is laughable because as someone already mentioned to you, the people of Garoowe would be starring and then laughing off their socks And I'm sure I can hear people laughing all the way in Garoowe right here in Seattle. I must have some dumbo ears. Also, ask me again if I care what a bunch of under-educated, underfed, goat-herding folks think of me or my thoughts. You are by far the most confusing person I've ever come across on these fora of SOL. You don't have to understand me coz we ain't dating. Keep your thoughts focused on the debate at hand - not me. by CAMEL MILK: Wind_talker is really trying hard to be neutrual ...he calls A/Y a hero That's the point: I am neutral. How the F does what happens in Somalia or Puntland or Warsameland effect me? Does Puntland pay my bills? Does Somalia feed me? I make my decisions based on whatever is transpiring at that moment. Life ain't always black or white. Plenty of gray areas in between. Also, me calling Col Yeey a hero must be in your dreams. Who is he a hero for, exactly? Reer Puntland? Do you think relatives of the 100+ innocent people his militias slaughtered in Qardho (all "Reer Puntland"), for example, think he's a "hero?" Reer Puntland should all be grateful to Col Yeey because he's a hero who defended their right blah blah. He couldn't even fight a coward like Jamac Cali Jamac man-to-man so he needed the backup of 1,000+ heavily-armed Ethiopian soldiers to help him. Some hero, huh. Originally posted by Alpha-Geeljire: I don't know him personally, I just know who he is, and he is definealtly from puntland . [/QB] Interesting. Since I'm automatically "from Puntland" because of my Dad's clan, by using that same reasoning I suppose then we can also safely say that I'm also from Jubada Hoose region, Benadir region, Xarardheere area and also some tuulos in eastern Ethiopia. I hope you can see how confusing that is. Keep it simple: I'm from Xamar coz I was born in Xamar. All the other crap is simply noise to me. Originally posted by HornAfrique: Somali politics is primitive, simple, and shallow at best shall I say. Everytime, adi lee i fahma.. Some of these folks need to pay observe the Taco Bell commercials: Think outside the Box. P.S. For the rest, whether I flip-flop or fart, its wholly up to me, ain't it? :confused:

Originally posted by somalipride: Puntland Parliament HAVE VOTED ON THE DEAL AND ACCEPT IT; ONE MINISTER EVEN SAID; THAT IF THIS DEAL EMPLOYEES 10 PEOPLE; I WILL SUPPORT IT. Every single member of parliment VOTED FOR IT TO PASS; EXCEPT FAROOLE . Do you have any idea how dumb you look right now? Seriously, go look in the mirror and feel ashamed of yourself. There is a difference between the Puntland Parliament and the Council of Ministers. Members of Parliaments (MPs) are not members of the Council of Ministers. The Puntland Parliament has not voted on the so-called "Puntland Agreement" because the President Cadde admin hasn't introduced a bill for them to debate. Secondly, if you're contending that the Council of Ministers voted (which I doubt), the same question applies: Where in the Puntland Constitution does it give power for the Ministers to vote on an issue of such grand proportions? :confused: Do you even care for the law? Or is the fact that the Boqortooyo is back more important...? Secondly, if you think - even for one second - that a Range Resources team will set foot on Nugaal soil without Faroole's blessing, you have a lot more to learn about the power of politics in Puntland. If and when Faroole speaks, remember that he speaks for the whole region of Nugaal. Remember also, during the PL presidential elections, all the Nugaal MPs voted for Faroole. He's the de facto leader for the people of Nugaal region. And all this cheap talk of oil exploration has only one target in mind: the Nugaal Valley. I'm glad Faroole isn't falling victim to the cheap talk of power and money-hungry individuals such as Gaagaab and Liban Muse Boqor. Ain't it strange that only a coward and traitor like Xasan Abshir (an eternal flip-flopper) rides along with Gaagaab and Liban Muse Boqor, lying to them as if he represents the people of Nugaal? Cadde Muuse is quick to forget how he arrived into the Puntland presidency to begin with. But, forget all this cheap talk. Show me the day an Australian team arrives to dig in Nugaal region without the blessing of Faroole. Until then, I officially rest my case.

Originally posted by Camel Mlik: This guy is funny war who are you trying to Show-off to the NON Puntlanders on Somaliaonline or some thing. War wasn't it you who Posted Dayniile airstrp shutdown. [/QB] Ow shucks! You got me all figured out: I'm trying to impress a bunch of dudes online. Really, I am. On the second note, Dayniile airstrip being shutdown is a news item. I simply posted it to watch you celebrate. Its quite amusing. Laakin, sheekadu waan fahmay. Its okay to post negative news from Xamar on a daily basis (who shot who, who got robbed where). But, as soon as any negative news is posted about Puntland, there is a perfectly flawless answer: Puntland is not perfect. Think about that double standard, fadlan. Originally posted by Sky: Bosasso has the most developed police force compared to other cities in Puntland. Really? Nin lagu diley magaalada Boosaaso Boosaaso- 31.October.2005 Nin dhalinyaro ah oo lagu magacaabi jirey Mukhtaar Cali Saleeban Awaare ayaa habeenimadii xaley waxaa lagu diley agagaarka Dekada magaalada Boosaaso ee xarunta Gobolka Bari. Ninkan ayaa la sheegay in xaley 7:30-kii fiidnimo uu diley askari ka tirsanaa ciidamada Booliiska gaar ahaan qaybta canshuuraha ee ka hawlgala dekeda magaalada Boosaaso. Lama oga sababta rasmiga ah ee dhalisey dilkan waxaase jira warar sheegaya in marxuumka la diley iyo kan wax diley uu dhexmarey muran aynan helin ujeedadiisa dhabta ah. Taliyaha Qaybta Booliiska ee Gobolka Bari G/lle dhexe Caydiid Axmed Nuur ayaa Idaacada SBC u sheegay in ninkii dilka geystay haatan ay gacanta ku hayaan ciidamada Booliiska oo ay baarayaan sababta dhalisey dilkan. Waa dilkii 2-aad oo mudo 24 saac ah ka dhaca magaalada Boosaaso oo inta badan lagu tilmaamo inay tahay magaalooyinka ugu nabdoon deegaanada Puntland iyo guud ahaan dalka Soomaaliya. C/risaaq Cismaan Bulqaas SBC Monitoring Debate the issue people - not me.

Codsi uu Madaxweynihii TNG-da u jeediyay Beeshiisa oo diidmo adag lagala horyimid Axad, October 30, 2005(HOL): Madaxweynaha Dowladdii lagu soo dhisay Carta ee TNG-da C/qaasim Salaad Xasan oo dabayaaqadii todobaadkii hore afur ugu sameeyay hoygiisa Waxgarad, Siyaasiyiin iyo Aqoonyahanno ka tirsan Beesha uu ka soo jeedo ayaa la sheegay in uu ugu baaqay in ay taageeraan howlaha maamul u sameynta ee ay magaalada Muqdisho ka wadaan Wasiirrada Ganacsiga iyo Amniga ee kala ah Muuse Suudi Yalaxow iyo Maxamed Qanyare Afrax. Sida ay HOL u sheegeen ilo xog ogaal ah inta badan dadkii ka qeybgalay afurkaas ayaa la soo weriyay in ay ku gacan seyreen codsigii C/qaasim iyagoo qaarkood sheegay in aaney marna bur burin karin ballantii ay ka soo qaadeen Ugaaska Beesha Ugaas Xasan Ugaas Maxamed xiligii la caleemo saarayay oo uu Beeshaas si guud ugu baaqay in ay taageeraan Guddoomiyaha Gobolka Banaadir iyo Duqa Magaalada Muqdisho Dr. Maxamuud Xasan Cali (Cadde) oo isagu xiligaas qeyb weyn ka qaatay caleemo saarkii Ugaaska. Wasiirka Ganacsiga Xukuumadda Federaalka Soomaaliya oo sheegay in ay kulan wada qaateen Madaxweynaha Dowladdii TNG-da C/qaasim Salaad Xasan ayaa sheegay in kulankaas uu ahaa mid siyaaro ah, isla markaana looga tashanayay arrimaha maamul u sameynta Gobolka Banaadir. Xubnaha labada Gole ee Dowladda Federaalka, kuwooda Muqdisho ku sugan oo uu hormuud u yahay Wasiirka Ganacsiga Muuse Suudi Yalaxow ayaa dadaal xooggan ugu jira sidii ay maamul ugu sameyn lahaayeen Gobolka Banaadir, iyadoo dhawaana la shaaciyay in xubno dhowr iyo konton oo ku shiray Hotelka Saxafi ay ansixiyeen Xeer ay Aqoonyahanno soo diyaariyeen oo lagu dhaqi doono maamulka loo sameynayo Gobolka Banaadir. Horay Gobolka Banaadir waxaa ugu dhisnaa maamul uu guddoomiye ka yahay Dr. Maxamuud Xasan Cali (Cadde), kaasi oo taageero ka heysta xubnaha labada gole ee Jowhar ku sugan iyo xubno aan badneyn oo Muqdisho jooga, kuwaasi oo uu ugu horeeyo Ra’iisal Wasaare ku xigeenka ahna Wasiirka Arrimaha Gudaha Xukuumadda Federaalka Soomaaliya Md. Xuseen Maxamed Caydiid. Salaad Iidow Xasan (Xiis), Hiiraan Online sxiis@hiiraan.com Mogadishu, Somalia

Tukwila Police move over (SeaTown folks know what I'm talking about). We have a new beast in town aka Puntland police (Boosaaso district). In every country and culture, the #1 duty of the police is to uphold the law. But in Boosaaso, the difference between the police and the criminals is too little to mention (lately, at least). So what's going on? What's the PL leadership saying about it? Nothing. Within the past two weeks, a Boosaaso "police officer" has killed a civilian (it was a traffic cop stabbing a civilian to death before). Now, we have another officer "accidently" shooting a Somali citizen to death. This says a lot about the mismanagement, corruption and miseducation in place in PL, esp. in Bossaso. Once again, has the PL admin (or even Bari regional gov't) offered alternatives and/or other solutions to this growing problem? No! Let's talk about which useless PL minister gave a speech at some luncheon while law enforcement officers kill civilians and torture prisoners. Askari ka tirsan booliiska magaalada Boosaaso oo toogasho ku diley nin dhallinyaro ah - SBC Online http://www.sbconline.net/news.php?page=newspage&id=6242 And the media...Wait, what media? There are plenty of news-providing services in PL but they're all scared for their lives. Press freedom hasn't been a popular concept in Somali history - and, in some ways, it still isnt. But in PL, the situation is bad and only getting worse. Pioneers of the free press in PL (such editors of SHACAB newspaper and STN station admin.) have been subject to the brutal treatment of PL police (with PL admin's backing, of course). In Puntland, the media is allowed to talk about which minister gave what speech, which NGO held what news conference and whom the PL student union voted as the new chairman. Social, cultural and political matters that deeply affect the people and the region are left in the exclusive realm of the powers that be, i.e. the PL admin. Yet, their whole attention is focused on Jowhar. Dayniile airstrip being shutdown creates so much buzz and coffee talk. Who mentions the civilian "accidently" killed in Boosaaso? Trivial, non-nationalist matter that is. Anyways, below is an eye-opening account of the dire situation in PL for suspects and reporters. Sept,28,2005-Grievances against Bossaaso Police Misconduct September 26, 2005 As we are talking now, someone, somewhere in an African country is being thrown into prison cell, being beaten up, tortured or being interrogated on trumped up charges. Hundreds more up and down the continent are being subjected to other forms of inhuman treatment in the hands of the police, army or secret police [1]. Comment made by a member of an NGO at the eleventh session of the African Commission on Human and Peoples’ Rights (ACHPR) held in Tunis, Tunisia. Sheekh Aduun, director of the Bossasso radio affiliate of the private STN network, and Awale Jama, an editor at the station, were freed yesterday without charge, according to STN director Omar Nur Guutale in Mogadishu . They had been jailed since June 30 in connection with the station's reporting on the mayoral campaign in Bossasso, according to local sources [2]. Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) Press Release, New York, July 13, 2005. Article 5 of the Universal Declaration of human Rights states that “[n]o one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment [3].†When decisions are made to protect the public, strategies (i.e. means to an end) are consciously or unconsciously employed. In the case of policing and handling the safety of the public, the end is the improvement of the security force’s capability to accomplish its goals. The selection of the strategy generally involves the establishment of a series of ends, means and priorities. We know that policing is a complicated issue, by the fact that Somalia is in the midst of civil wars, and sometimes the police itself produces conflict or pursues ambitious goals that cannot be attained. However, there are two objectives which all security related institutions serve: The first objective is the maintenance of law and order – handling disputes, a family quarrel, and a street disturbance by teenagers etc. The second objective is law enforcement – the use of legal sanctions, usually by means of arrest, to individuals who harm/threaten or deprive innocent victims. Nevertheless, Bossasso Regional State Security Forces have lately known not to perform their tasks satisfactorily. Numerous Puntland media have recently directed criticism at the police. All of their criticisms are well known and often valid, but Puntland administration is frequently ignoring the conditions that are giving rise to these criticisms. The Administration, for example, is frequently charged for hiring unqualified policemen who suppress or manipulate crime reports and more importantly use improper or illegal procedures, including torturing detainees. The answer to why all these criticisms are true to some extent lies to two explanations: Torture seen as a social control mode; and what we call “Duur-joog†theme – both is complementing each other. Afflictions in Detention Centers To control masses that have been bad-administered is not an easy task. As scholar Matthew Lippman observes, “The major function of torture today is its use by many regimes lacking popular support who desire to inculcate a climate of fear and political apathy in the general population [4].†In addition, “Torture may also be used to incapacitate an individual psychologically or physically and thereby render the individual politically ineffective [5].†Torture is universally and unanimously condemned in Puntland Constitution and human convention. Yet, it is still mostly definitely practiced in Puntland detention centers. Although Puntland officials continue to condemn all forms of torture publicly, their deep conviction of human rights does not support their strong language. Many ex-prisoners of Bossaaso detention centers (see below) charge against prison soldiers of dereliction of duties, cruelty, assault, indecent acts, and maltreatment. In fact, these officials sometimes justify some of the torturing procedures and contend that killing is worse than torture – reminding their subjects that killing is rampant in other parts of Somalia (i.e. Mogadishu environs). They also insist that torture is permitted when the situation is out of control – i.e. when the situation consists of “war†between the central authority and its so-called enemies. Duur-joog (bad-recruits) Although explanations vary, the variations of bad-policing theme in Bossaaso can be summed up as “Duur-joog†who find their way into the police work through nepotism, and clan-affiliation. “Duur-joog†refers here to un-qualified, unintelligent, clan-oriented, rude, brutal, intolerant, or insensitive men. “Duur-joog†recruits enjoy expressing their prejudices and crudeness in the name of the law. Not only do “Duur-joog†fail to do the right thing/prevent crime, they systematically take pleasure in to do the wrong thing/actually cause crime [6]. “Duur-joog†is just one expression of the growing concern over the problem of policing procedure which has recently accompanied the tremendous widespread abuses in Bossaaso detention centers. Bossaaso Detention Centers When an individual is arrested, he/she is held for trial in what is known as police cell, a jail, a detention center, etc. These centers generally serve a double purpose: to keep those who are waiting trial, and those serving sentences for minor offences. To mention a few about the minimum standard requirements, police cells should have good ventilation, proper food, cleanliness, protection from infectious disease, and access to counsel and family/friends. On the contrary, there are extremely serious allegations against Puntland detention centers and its prison guards; and it can’t just be ignored. The forum therefore proposes that an independent judicial commission of inquiry should be appointed, to investigate Bossaaso detention centers. Such investigation would help find out what is happening to the detainees. Those “Duur-joog†recruits who are responsible for such misconduct must be weeded out of the security forces as a matter of urgency. The liability should not end with the recruits involved in the abuse incidents; but the politicians and high-ranking officials who authorized such acts are equally liable. Local Media In Puntland, local news-reporting is a costly and risky enterprise used by local internet websites, newspapers, and local radio broadcasters. There had been a worrying avoidance of covering police misconduct by the local media, especially Bossaaso-based media. The Roobdoon observers who are studying Somali mass media and its influence on the issues that is sensitive and noticeable before the public have discovered the lack of freedom of expression in Puntland Regional State. Admittedly, only lately we, the Forum, have examined the means of coercion employed by the “Duur-joog†recruits in maintaining authority and in furthering the political and economic interests of the ruling junta. Unfortunately, the “Duur-joog†recruits in Bossaaso have been much less studied than the “********s†in Muqdisho – although we know now that it would be rash to assume that they were less important. The high visibility (via Somali websites) of public reaction against Puntland security forces has indicated the impression that public attitudes are predominantly negative. This shared understanding can have self-fulfilling consequences. In the case of Bossaaso district for example, since the “Duur-joog†recruits often view locals as holding more hostile attitudes towards them, they often take a more authoritarian attitude in order to assure that actions will be seen as legitimate. Hence, instances of “Duur-joog†brutality occur and are covered by the media. A Journalist’s comments on Human Rights Abuses in Bossaaso Prison Waxaa in la xuso mudan xili aan ku xirnaa Xabsiga Magaalada Bosaso in aan la sheekaystay maxaabiis gaaraysa 120 maxbuus oo iyagoon wax maxkamad ah aan la soo marin lagu xiray xabsiga Bosaso. Danbiyo kala duwan oo aan jirin islamarkaasna qof bini'aadam ah aan loo qaban ayay maxaabiistaasi ku xiranyihiin mudo sanado ah iyo Bilo markii aad weydiisana waxay kuu sheegayaan ina ay yihiin(rumaan) ama maxkamed suge oo sharcigiisu yahay in uu xabsiga ku xirnaado 45 casho. Xiligii aan maxaabiistaasi wada joognay oo ay ******** in aan ka mid ahay saxaafadda waxay intooda badan igula dardaarmeen in aan tacadiyada haysta dadka u soo bandhigo. Waxaa dhibaatooyinka haysta ka mid ah cunto xumo, daawo la’aan, iyo qaarkood oo qaba cudurada faafa sida TB-da, Malaria, Cholera, iyo waliba aneebiya ama dhiig la’aanta oo dhammaantood ay la ildaran yihiin [7]. For few days, he has been detained in Bossaaso detention center. During his detention period, he met local political leaders, traders, and criminals with minor offences under dire condition. And to all, he posted on the internet and wired a message to concerned advocacy groups about the plight of the prisoners in Bossaaso. His name is Cawaale Jaamac Salaad. He is a journalist from Bossaaso based website: www.biyokulule.com. He is a social activist who decided on his own will to “report†the above grievances and message from the detainees, with the knowledge and support of his Bossaaso community. Mindful of the political reality of his constituency, Cawaale Jaamac firmly believes in freedom of expression. In his opinion, he, neither creating nor supporting any political party, would unconditionally defend the supporters of human rights. His work is “highly regarded†by the Roobdoon Forum. An admirer of Cawaale Jaamac, the Roobdoon Forum, was disturbed lately over the news that he was harassed and arrested for days without being found him guilty. Outspoken in our affirmations on human rights, we, the forum, clarify our position on the current Puntland Administration: “the Administration is an assault against human rights, the dignity of the human being, and God. In Bossaaso detention centers, human rights are continuously violated by the security forces.†Roobdoon Forum A. S. Faamo Toronto, Canada roobdoon2000@yahoo.ca http://www.saylac.com/news/articlesept28th05.htm

^^ Firstly, drop the Gen. Siyad Barre (allaha u naxaristo) comments. As a Muslim, your parents should've taught you the proper etiquette in refering to the dead. Believe me, in the days of Siyad Barre, Somalia was a nation that existed. Today, its a punch of divided tribal fiefdoms reminiscent of ancient Greece. That's where my support for the then-military dictatorship lies. We had a nation and we were a people. Today, you got second-hand races like Tigres (Amxaartu xataa way ka faanaan kuwaa) running Somalia's affairs from the backseat in Addis. Siyad would never allow that. Except for al-Itihad & Gen. Caydiid (allaha u naxaristo), all these other Somali leaders have been Tigre stooges (punks) - never mind the newly found "nationalists" of Muqdisho. Secondly, you and I can debate for eternity. But the day Australians come to Puntland, we'll both see what happens. I can almost guarantee you that they'll be welcome in some parts of PL (i.e. Qardho area) and they won't be welcome in other parts of PL. You're absolutely right: waxgaradkii Puntland supported Cadde for president. But how did he repay those who helped him? He returned 90% of Col Yeey's dissappointing ministers back to power. So what changed? Let's see: Md. Max'd Cabdi Xashi (a true Somali nationalist - who respectfully stepped down, even though Cadde threatened war had he lost) moved to Virginia, USA. Col Yeey moved on to Jowhar (thank Allah). The airport that's being built is a great project (with Arab support, of course). But that's not the debate. It seems, like Col Yeey supporters, you're also blinded from the truth. 1. Cadde has not spoken to the Puntland public about this "deal" (if its such great economic news for Reer PL, don't you think he'd be too excited to hold himself? I think he'd be bragging publicly about such a deal, had it been legal and realistic). 2. What is the Puntland Parliament for? If Cadde can sign deals without even mentionining it in Parliament, what's it there for? This so-called Parliament is weaker and even more irrelevant than Col Yeey's PL Parliament (and that's sad). All that boastful talk of "transparence" and "accountablity" from Cadde's lips. When its okay for the President to break the law, then its okay for dabley in Garoowe attacking a minister's house (Jama Ali Jama is a coward and a sellout and he never was a Puntland leader). I know, I know. You can't answer either question. And if you really had Puntland's interests at heart, you'd want the answers to those deep questions. But, its better to brag that Cadde built an airport and paid for some teachers. That's progress, right? Here's your equation: Reer Puntland: Poor people (so they'll accept anything from Cadde - even sell their land to the cheapest bidder around - Range Resources is considered a junior in the oil biz). PL Parliament: Irrelevant now (but, when Cadde was running for President, they were the most important beings on the earth, right? ) President Cadde: Firstly, thank Allah he's returned the Boqortooyo. Now, we can sell the "Kingdom" to foreign investors - who cares for Somaliweyn? (Yet, Col Yeey is preaching "Somaliweyn" in Jowhar - great politics, huh). They say "Look before you leap." PL, under Cadde's Generalship, is leaping - but is it looking? :confused: P.S. Weerarkaasi xaley lagu qaadey guriga wasiirka Dawlaha hoose ayaa ahaa falkii ugu horeeyey ee caynkaas oo lagu kala kaco wasiir ka tirsan Maamulka Puntland, waxaana falkaasi si kulul u dhaleeceeyey masuuliyiinta maamulka iyo dadweynaha Puntland oo ku baaqey in sharciga la horkeeno kooxdaas dableyda ah ee tacshiiradaas furtey. C/naasir Yaasin SBC Garoowe .