I saw MOTD from comparison last year and this year against Chelsea Alonso he is a massive loss, but more worryingly jamie carragher is having an abysmal season.

Let the hard work begin

Excellent looks like it was a rosy day in MN, the young President needs to pass by London

Smart move, smart move

^^ Hada waxa haray Fabregas iyo Kashafa iney isku boodan markas ban anagana qado aadi doona

Lool I see nothing wrong with that list

Are you saying this is the first lunch they have had for 9 months Wallahi raga dhib bi ku jireen

Mashallah Congrats Val

^^ True words This is good news for the TFG it gives them a well needed breathing space to unite their camp, recruit men and be more prepared when eventually the focus is turned back on them.

Amiin Eid Mubarak

Nuune, it’s an open goal saxiib the North Western vote is divided in three, then we have a unionist and a renegade. If we play this right come five days time you will be crowned the king of SOL. I have a meeting Scheduled with the Puntland delegation and do not worry about the southern vote

Of matter of faith lets go back to the original source of knowledge the Quran and Sunnah, personal opinion on matters of such importance do not come in to play when it comes to the noble Faith of Islam. Either we follow the faith wholeheartedly in accordance to the way the companions and the three pious generations followed it or we are at risk of falling into Bida’a. There is no middle ground or cut of point. You have written a long piece yet we still don’t know what you adhere to Fabre ^^ I wasn't referring to the mere peace talks, rather I was referring to their whole take on the conflict in 2006. They said it was a fitna and the ICU were a group of rebels; you said it was a legitimate resistance and that the warlords were traitors for bringing Xabashis to MOG and beyond. Now you are agreeing with their stance on the Somali conflict( ie. there are rebellious khariji challenging authority) all because a man you support has occupied the seat of the previous head of that regime. When did the deen change for men? It was a fitna, if opposing the previous government instead negotiating with them was Nasiixa then we would not be in this ongoing conflict. My position on Al Shabaab is very simple I am not upon what they are upon, it has nothing to do with who the President of Somalia is, I opposed their ideology and methodology before Sh Sharif became president and I will oppose it long after he leaves office. Fabre With regards to the issue of Munafiq and Murtad, again, akhi: let us not play ignorant. I think you fully well know why he is being called those words and it has nothing to do with for simply entering into peace talks. No real Muslim would call another Muslim a munafiq or murtad for simply entering into talks with an enemy, as this would be similar to how the Khawarij made takfir on ALI(RA). Perhaps if you truly believe this to be the case, then I suggest you read the prohibition in the beginning of Surah Mumtahinah, the ayats in Surah Maidah and then read Nawaqid Al Islam by Sheikh Muhamad Ibn Abdul Wahab. The matter will become clear. My Friend I suggest you go and read the statements made by the group you support when the negotiations were on going, there are articles in this forum clearly stating their rejection of Sharif and Aweys when they where in Asmara. Fabre As for your last comment: TAKFIR is a part of Islam. Infact Islam would be dead without it for every action would be accepted like how Christianity became when Paul, the Roman agent, hijacked it. It is also the believe of the murji'a that Iman doesn't decline or decrease with actions. A person can commit kufr and leave the fold of Islam even if he prays and fasts. SO To call someone or a leader a murtad is not "Alshabab ideology" as you put it. Many Ulema have performed takfir on rulers from the days of Yusuf Hajaj, to Saddam Hussein to Abdullahi Yusuf. This is not Khariji or Takfiri so long as the person has daleel and he is not calling the person this due to a minor or great sin which doesn't make one leave the fold of Islam as the Khawarij did. If he is uses the evidence wrongly then he has merely done itjihad and the other scholars should correct him . If he performs takfir without having knowledge of the affair or fundamentals of takfir then he is sinning. But calling someone a murtad is not against Islam in and of itself. Nor does it make the person a keligis Muslim,unless of course we are saying Somalis are free from actions of kufr. Personally, I do believe it is kufr to ally oneself with Xabashis and AMNISOM with the intent of establishing a secular government and destroying sharia governance. Shariff use to believe this also this too. Was he a khawarij or was he following Alshabab ideology in 2006? I can literaly quote hundreds of Islamic Scholars who believe making wilaya with kufar against Muslims removes one from the fold of Islam. Will we say they are all khawarij or keligis Muslim? Didn't the major Somali Scholars make takfir on those who allied with Xabashis in 2007? Are they keligis Muslim too now that it is Shariff who is allied with Xabashis in Beledweyn? Were Sayid Muhamad or Sheikh Ahmed Shakir( egyptian sheikh) khawarij for making takfir on Egyptians and Somalis who allied with the colonialists? Walahi, one classical scholar said it it kufr to even support them from the mouth or with a pen. So why are we deluding ourself to believe that this is something Kashafa and LX plucked it out from thin air? This is when we go back to the Quran and Sunnah to clarify the matter for us, you or my personal opinion on a ruling of such magnitude is a none starter. We shall use the opinion of the Quran & Sunnah and the way the pious predecors understood such matters. The view of the majority of Scholars especially the ones from Baghdad (centre of Scholarship) at the time on Hajjaj ibn Yusuf is very clear he was a wrong doer (Taghut) not a Kafir. They urged the Ummah not to revolt against him by using the beautiful Hadeeth of (saw) when asked about by the Sahābah what to do when they (the rulers) go beyond their boundaries ", they should be obeyed even if the oppress you unless you see Kufr-Buwah." This is the view of our noble scholar Shaykh Naasir ud-Deen al-Albaanee (ra) We bear witness that Al-Hajaaj was an evildoer, an oppressor. However, we do not know from him that he rejected any of those aspects from the Religion, which one is required to know by necessity. Therefore, it is not permissible to declare him a disbeliever just on the basis that he used to commit evil, oppress others and kill innocent Muslims. Like wise there was no strong grounds to oppose A. Yusuf and S Hussein First lets clarify what Apostasy is, then the actions that needs to be taken Ar ridda (apostasy) is: disbelief after Islaam. It can be through statement, action,i’tiqaad (belief) and doubt. So whoever: 1) makes shirk with Allaah or 2) rejects His ruboobeyah (Lordship) or His wahdaaniyah (Oneness) or 3) (rejects) an Attribute from amongst His Attributes or 4) (rejects) some of His Books or His Messengers or 5) insults/reviles Allaah or His Messenger (sal Allaahu alaiyhi wa sallam) or 6) (rejects) anything from those forbidden matters, whose forbidden nature is agreed upon or who seeks to make (that thing) permissible or 7) rejects the obligation of a pillar from amongst the five pillars of Islaam or has a doubt about the obligation of this (pillar) or 8) (who doubts) the truthfulness of Muhammad (sal Allaahu alaiyhi wa sallam) or any of the other Prophets or 9) (who doubts) the Resurrection after Death or 10) who prostrates to an idol or a star or anything like that - then indeed he has committed kufr (disbelief) and apostatised from the religion of Islaam. Permanent Committee for Research and Verdicts Shaykh `Abdul-`Azeez Bin Baz Shaykh `Abdullah bin Ghudayaan Shaykh `Abdullaah bin Qu`ood Shaykh `Abdur-Razzaaq al-`Afeefee Question 2 from fatwa no: 7150 P 8 Volume Two Fatawa of the Standing Committee Saxiib there is no middle ground if a person has committed any of the acts above then we should follow (now this refers to the average layman) For a person whose kufr is firmly established, it is obligatory to have the belief of his kufr (i.e. that he is upon kufr), and to pass the ruling upon him according to this and for the Muslim ruler to establish the punishment of apostasy upon him - providing that this person has not repented. And whoever does not declare the person whose disbelief is firmly established to be a disbeliever – then he himself is a disbeliever. (The exception is) if he has some doubt about that (person’s disbelief) – and then it is obligatory to try to remove that. And with Allaah is the tawfeeq. And may peace and blessings be upon our Prophet, Muhammad and upon his family and Companions. Permanent Committee for Research and Verdicts Shaykh `Abdul-`Azeez Bin Baz Shaykh `Abdullah bin Ghudayaan Shaykh `Abdullaah bin Qu`ood Shaykh `Abdur-Razzaaq al-`Afeefee Question 2 from fatwa number 6201 P142 Volume 2 of the fatawa of the Permanent Committee If you do not have evidence of Sh Sharif being a Kafir and yet you still call for revolt and war against his government then: This is the madhab of the Khawaarij. When an individual holds it permissible to revolt against the Muslim rulers, and more severe than that is to declare them to be disbelievers. This is the madhab of the Khawaarij . Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan Fabre As for your last paragraph:NO! I don't believe the war against the Somali government is just. The reason for this is because Somalia hasn't had any government for 20 years and there is no legitimate authority today. Thus How can I believe in war against a government that doesn't exist? Also from an Islamic perspective, a government has to be chosen by the people of knowledge(not the UN or secular warlords btw), establish authority over a territory to govern and rule by Islam. Do the Somali warlords satifs any of these criterion? Who selected Muawiya into the position power, who selected preceding Khalifs of the Ummayids with the exception of Abdul Aziz ibn Umar (ra), which Ulema selected the Abbasids, the Ottomans, House of Saud, Jamal Abdel Nasser, Anwar Saddat, Husni Mubarak. Which council of Muftis selected Omar bashir, Are these men and their governments not real states for their path to rulership did not come through a scholastic selection. No to you they are praise worthy Noble tribal leaders of Arab and Cushities and all Somali governments are non existent. No one is perfect adeer Somalia is infested with warlords but that is a fact we have to live with and work around, not fight illogically Fabre Another point to bear in mind is that a Muslim can be fought and he doesn't have to be labelled a murtad. One can be fought for their fitna like those who disturb the peace and set up checkpoints all across the land. Or those who cause a heresy or fitna like the Jahamiyah or philosophers. ALi didn't even make Takfir on some of the Khawarij yet he still fought them. I hope you get my drift. This what the Dr of the topic is alluding to, not every tom, dick and harry can fight, it has to go through the right channels otherwise instead of preventing fitnah it is increasing it, Ali (ra) was the government, hence he fought those that caused fitnah, like wise the government of Somalia should deal with matters of check points, if they are weak then one should aid them. The reason Somali is in its current status Quo is because the, the layman, clan and groups have taken the responsibility of governing on to them selves, no leadership, no order and certainly no Jamaaca. Unless you tell me a kid who blows himself up in Beledweyne is preventing fitnah. Fabre That said, as an illiterate laymen of Islam, I see no shame or stigma in Somali groups resisting those who brought Xabashis to Somalia and are still crying for further foreign forces to occupy Somalia. And Those who took part in the Ethio occupation, raped women, allowed them to occupy masjid , kidnapped and sold ducat, set up roadblocks and killed thousands over the last decade and destroyed the shariat courts. Are these not the people who fill the positions of what you refer to as a government? Since when did they became angels? Now, if some sheikh joins them on their terms, then he is part of parcel of their fitna and badil. He is one of them. He has joined the caravan of dulm. In reference to the yahud and Nasara, Allah swt says they will never be pleased with you unless you become of their milah and compromise to their Aqeedah. This trick was tried on the Prophet Muhamad(SAw), but Allah guided him and he told the Quraish he would not compromise even if they gave him the moon, etc etc. DO not let emotions cloud your judgement saxiib, for every action has a reaction. I am sure you are smart enough not to believe those men you refer to (some bad I agree) did not let Ethiopia or AMISOM walk into Somalia in vain. Someone forced their hand, Someone boxed the Sufis in a corner by attacking their bases forcing them to call for what ever aid they could get. The same group has besieged the government. Now during university they taught me to solve problems in the right chronological order otherwise you wont solve anything. As for the second paragraph brother I hope it is out of ignorance rather than jest that you compare Quraish offer of worldly pleasures to the Prophet (saw) in return for him to associate partners With Allah, to Sharif being offered Premiership or accepting to negotiate with the former TFG. Rather Pres Sharif example is even lesser than that of the Truce of Hudaybia in that his negotiation was between to groups of Muslim at conflict. There is absolutely no ground to oppose this government and those who do are only prolonging the misery of Somalis, and the irony is once they get in power another group more extreme will come and oppose their view. Eid Mubarak saxiib

As for your first Paragraph they would have been right I and President Sharif (although one can say he not me was under pressure to unite with his group) were wrong not push the peace and negotiation agenda with Yusuf’s government. However President Sharif being a human acknowledged his error and started negotiation with Yusuf government for over a year, he wasn’t a Munafiq then but now that he is President he is a Murtad in one corner and Munafiq in another. Do you think this war against the Government is just and that officials and those that support the Government are Murtads, saxiib no more standing on the fence join Al Shabaab ideology wholeheartedly like Kashafa and Brother LX Ps Saxiib this government has promised to implement Shariah but even if they don’t there is no justification to take arms against them.

^^ I agree a thousand years under Riyaale is better than a day under anarchy, the opposition should be patient they have been for over 18 years.

^^ no depth in the Arsenal squad, I am just dreading the day Gallas or the new guy Varmelan gets injured. But trust me we will still finish above Liverpool this year, something just doesn’t feel right about them this year A&T I agree Abou Diaby is a waste of space, the brother (I meet him in Regents Park Masjid) holds the ball for way to long.

^What did you think of the subject

Nuune The guy is a quality stricker he just needed to be loved, and now I am stuck with Nicklas Bender

Ade did us in, rushing over to celebrate at Arsenal Fans corner you cant get better tv

This is an interesting topic I listened to earlier, it is regarding the call of Somali youths in North America to join Al Shabaab. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=X-FsX_HhP pg&feature=related

LOZ tragic but true, better days will come Inshallah once one of us acknowledges his uncle killed more. Norf do you guys have oyster cards and are they charging a fortune like they do here

Ahmed the Repenter- Bilal Assad

I have got to tip my hat to the Emirates, from dust to skyscrapers in less than 20 years.

Nuune I will hold you to these predictions, I would put the same line apart from Bordeaux, Juventus- Bayern is getting knocked out this year

Arsenal will ease through the group stages Norf watch out for Lyon they might have sold Benzema but the new guy Lopez looks solid Group A is the group of death

The Machines are taking over and I need access to that database