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Well said dulqarnayn You highlighted some important points that the picture is not as black and white as some deem it to be. However there is no doubt that the people of Somaliland suffered significantly in the civil war and the wounds have not healed. Lets put our selves in their shoes, they have stable region and a growing economy, would you then join a warlord infested government and sacrifice your stability I know I wouldn’t. I wish Somaliland all the best in getting international recognition as a independent state. When the time comes they will join their brothers in the South just as they did in 60s and just as many wanted to during ICU era. Yusuf Yey and his cohorts are the problem Somalia needs a healer of wounds, someone who brings people together not a warlord who does not have an inch of diplomacy in his skin.

I will let you know as of when it happens, I cant just put out my ideas on a unregulated platform like this

I will let you know as of when it happens, I cant just put out my ideas on a unregulated platform like this

How about it the Europeans have the Euro its time we take the advice of our Malaysian brothers. I say get rid of the shilling and and bring back the gold standard

Islamic dinar and dirham The Islamic gold dinar (sometimes referred as Islamic dinar or Gold dinar) is a bullion gold coin made from 4.25 grams of 22-carat (k) gold with historical Islamic significance. Gold dinar may also refer to various historic gold coins denominated in dinars. Conversion rate The Islamic gold dinar conversion rate to other currencies is based on gold spot price. International gold spot price is published in troy ounce of 24k gold, while gold dinar is 22k gold measured in grams. Because one kilogram is about 32.15 troy ounce, the International gold spot price is about 7.98 times of gold dinar conversion rate. weight of coin (grams) × purity of coin × troy ounces per kilogram = fraction of spot price per coin For example, if today gold spot price is €438.90 per ounce, then one islamic gold dinar is about €55 (438.90 divided by 7.98). The current gold dinar was a theoretical coin in the Islamic world until September of 2006. =(31.1034768/1)/((4.25/1)*(22/24)) = 7.98 €438.90 per ounce/7.98 = €54.97 Per one Gold Dinar (4.25 Grams & 22k Gold) In USD =(31.1034768/1)/((4.25/1)*(22/24)) = 7.98 History of recent gold dinar prices based on gold spot market Dinar history According to Islamic law, the Islamic dinar is a specific weight of 22k gold (91.7%) equivalent to 4.25 grams. The Islamic dirham is a specific weight of pure silver equivalent to 3.0 grams. Umar Ibn al-Khattab established the known standard relationship between them based on their weights: "7 dinars must be equivalent to 10 dirhams." “ The Revelation undertook to mention them and attached many judgements to them, for example zakat, marriage, and hudud, etc., therefore within the Revelation they have to have a reality and specific measure for assessment of zakat, etc. upon which its judgements may be based rather than on the non-shari'i other coins. Know that there is consensus [ijma] since the beginning of Islam and the age of the Companions and the Followers that the dirham of the shari'ah is that of which ten weigh seven mithqals weight of the dinar of gold... The weight of a mithqal of gold is seventy-two grains of barley, so that the dirham which is seven-tenths of it is fifty and two-fifths grains. All these measurements are firmly established by consensus. ” —Ibn Khaldun, Al-Muqaddimah Modern history As a consequence of currency crisis in Asia, in first of 1997, then Prime Minister of Malaysia Mahathir bin Mohamad proposed introduction of Islamic gold dinar as currency for international trade in the Muslim world. It was supposed to suppress the too overly traded American dollar and ensure that dollar's instability does not affect international trade because Islamic gold dinar was to be tied to price of gold and thus provide stable value of the currency. Mahathir announced that Malaysia was to start using the dinar in mid-2003, but when in 2003 Abdullah Ahmad Badawi replaced him as Prime Minister of Malaysia, this idea was halted. Kelantanese gold dinar, obverse and reverse On the 20 September 2006, Kelantan became the first state to launch gold dinar coins. It features the Kelantanese state crest, the date of production, as well as the weight and purity of the gold used on its face. The DEK is similar to the original dinar in weight and purity of gold used. The coins can be bought and sold at the Kelantan Corporation Bhd (Perbadanan Kelantan Bhd) and all eight Ar-Rahn Islamic pawnshops in the state. A gold dinar and a silver dirham In Malaysia, under the IGD Practice Sdn. Bhd., they established wakala (Islamic banking agencies) in a few states in Malaysia. [1] Common uses of the gold dinar include: 1. Saving them, because they are wealth in themselves. 2. Paying zakat and dowry as established within Islamic Law. 3. Buying merchandise from outlets. 4. Holding accounts, and making and receiving payments as with any other medium of exchange. [2] [edit] The IGD Exchange Payment System IGD Exchange is the name of a world-wide internet base electronic payment and exchange system that uses the Islamic gold dinar and dirham in correspondence with Islamic banking agencies. The primary use of the Islamic Dinar and Dirham is as a buffer instrument for international trading, namely Bpa and Mpa. IGD Exchange transaction are executed directly between the two parties involved without requiring third-party intermediaries.

Nino I see you also have a problem with the number of Somali chavs in your neck of the woods By chavs do you mean those youth that listen to Garage music and wear flat caps? The chav I know wears Reebok classics and burberry I have not seen many of those in the Somali community

Kenyan Tribes • Kikuyu (Agĩkũyũ) 13% • Luhya 12% • Luo 11% • Swahili 4.5% • Kalenjin 9% • Kamba 9% • Kisii 4% • Meru (Ameru) 4% • Embu 1.5% • Maasai 1.5% • Somali 1% • Turkana 1% • Taita 0.7% • Samburu 0.5% The percentage indicates the tribe's proportion of the population of Kenya. Minority Groups • Bajuni • Bukusu • Isukha • Kore • Kuria • Maragoli • Marama • Miji Kenda • Ogiek • Orma • Oromo • Pokomo • Rendille • Suba • Tachoni • Taveta • Yaaku With this many tribes the ingredients for an all out tribalistic war is there, Inshallah Kenya will not go into full scale civil war, besides external powers would never allow one of the more stable regimes in East Africa to go into chaos.

One of my favourite Somali scholars along with Sheikh Maxamad Rashad very informative JZK bro

News | 31.12.2007 | 17:00 UTC 12 killed in fighting in Somali capital Renewed fighting in the Somali capital Mogadishu claimed the lives of 12 people on Sunday including eight members of one family. The family died when their house was hit during an exchange of mortars between Somali insurgents and Ethiopian troops near to the main sports stadium. During the last year the fighting has killed more than 1,000 and caused some 600,000 people to flee the city. Ethiopian troops began to support the Somali government about one year ago and swiftly ousted an Islamist militia that had gained temporary control of large areas of south and central Somalia. stability indeed may Allahforgive the sins of the masakins who perished

Saxiib welcome to the SOL political section aka the lions den. A place where the debates get more heated than a Fitness First Sauna

Saxiib everything has to do with a system of life and Islam so happens to be the system that not only founded liberal markets but has always encouraged it. Your problem is you believe the buck changed when the west woke up from the “dark ages”. Like I told you before there are historical dots that lead to action. The renaissance benefited the west because Christianity restricted commerce and the sciences, there are stories where Queen Isabel and Ferdinand of frowned upon traders yet took their money to help with the journey to the new Land America. In Islam we do not have such forces that go against what is natural the leaders encouraged trade but more importantly the Quran encouraged and reward you for being an entrepreanure That is because they say: Trade is like usury: but Allah has permitted trade and forbidden usury Surah al Baqarah, verse 275-280 Saxiib I too have studied the history of America but the difference between you and me is that you believe time started when the Irish folks landed of at Boston, I am telling you these folks had a past they need not reinvent the wheal and took the best practices from other people, it so happens to be that the people they took the concept of trade from resided in the middle east just as the roots of modern mathematics lies in India. After all economics is a Science albeit social. Lool we are chasing each other like Tom and Jerry, in modern History all those nations I have mentioned are not governed by Shariah law, look into their historical files and you will find that most are rooted to either Marxist ideology or British common law. If you mean the masses are Muslim and the politicians are Muslim I would agree with you but do not tell me they govern their nations through Shariah. Saxiib if by arabized you mean I am a Muslim I cant argue with you on that cause you are right and I don’t give a toss about whether the arab gives a toss about me because I am doing it for my lord, his lord and his camels lord Peace

I am glad that you agree with me Peacenow, because this means that you agree to the historical precedence that the USA followed i.e. the Caliphate Rashidun, Umayyad and Abbasid empires, because these super nations were in essence market based economies. The principle economic model of their system was to have the money in the market similar to the modern financial markets as opposed to keeping the money in banks. Reasons being that money in circulation enhances market growth, the current credit crunch the west faces is due to lack of funds readily available, it isn’t because the money isn’t there but it is stuck in banks earning interest rather than out there working. The first thing Muslims Caliphs did when they conquered cities was to establish markets, Baghdad in 7th century is a good example of a city that was built around the market. So Peacenow this Islam that you criticize so vehemently is the very originator of some of the policies that you strongly advocate for. I agree with you that over the last couple of 100 years Muslim lands have fallen way behind than their western counterparts, but believe you me this has more to do with the fact that they have abandoned the principles that made them great. Syria, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, Egypt, etc all had secular systems and they don’t seem to succeed. Ps Maybe it is the name Islam you hate ( I assure you it means Peace)

Why are most of the wealthy people from the USA? I am going to summarise the answer to one of my exam questions. From my analysis there are several factors that have led to do this: 1. Being the leading liberal market economy the US has always favoured entrepreneurship, the reason behind this is that their social and historical roots is different from continental Europe which is the nearest rival. The thing is nomads Europe at the turn of century was controlled by a group of elites, the monarchs, aristocrats etc as a reaction to this privileged minority the masses set up workers unions where their rights was respected and pushing the European nations into the socialist path. America on the other was a new land, many of the people that migrated were the poor and those looking for new opportunities, the people there where not subjugated by monarchs and as a consequence did not need to protect themselves by setting up Unions. 2. During the industrialization period Americans shifted their focus to materialism, coupled with strong entrepreneurship drive some talented people came through such as the rocafella family, Ford and GM. It is all about historical incidents. Take the Siyad Barre regime, when he adopted the socialist framework in Somalia it was bound to fail because the Somali make up did not require a socialist model. We did not have a class system to overcome, in fact we are more similar to the US then most if not all European states mark my word.

What can I say apart from “show me the money” Like somebody else pointed out you go into emotional rants about Islam being backward yet you do not provide any evidence of where it is backward. Saxiib tell us what is it that you think is wrong with Islam and maybe some of the more informed nomads can give you an answer.

Ina illha WA Ina Illah rajiun May Allah forgive her sins. Libax is right [resident Musharraf is a very clever man he is appeasing the Whitehouse while at the same time giving refuge to Al-Qeada and Taliban refuge in the Waziristan province of Pakistan. I think he regrets stepping down from his military post now as his powers will diminish (slightly) once marshal law is imposed again. What is it with Political dynasties they all end up dead for some reason, the Kennedy’s, the Nehru-Ghandi and now the end of Bhutto. Those who intend to form a Somali political dynasty be aware the end result always seems tragic

Good progress will watch this space

Mashallah beautiful pictures Inshallah it is my intention to go there next year

One must understand that it is the TFG that is needs of this negotiation and certainly not because the “the armed group” have lost ground as evidence today show they are very much in Mogadishu fighting the Ethiopians. Baashi don’t make a mistake I still believe the main source of violence at this moment in Somalia is the Ethiopian interference, but like many I am unsure of what the situation will be after they leave, hence the need to have a constructive plan of how the game is going to be played out after they pull out their troops.

Certain individuals in the shabaab league are difficult to deal with no doubt. However the majority are youths and when the call comes from the Alliance in Asmara will listen. Those that don’t pay heed will be dealt with as trouble makers that don’t take authority. I see the Thierry and Emperor Peace accord taking place on SOL

Although I hate to say it with passion but this is a good move, some pre-negotiation talks are needed to get the ball rolling. Maybe they can come to a middle ground. I have some suggestions: The Asmara Alliance agrees to seize fire While the TFG tells the Ethiopians to push back to Baidoa

2002 – 2004 • Somalia the war ravaged failed state, 13 attempts to form a government 13 failures • A genius suggests “ Why don’t we let the warlords who have ravaged the country run it” “applauds everywhere” 2004 • After a long period of negotiation the warlords decide on forming a house of parliament • Against all expectations old dog Yey wins in a dramatic fashion the presidency • Yay the Euphoria a new government is born 2004 – 2006 • Some warlords unhappy with the new government that they are members of refused its entry into Mogadishu • For the next 2 years the government is wondering from town to town like lost children • In the mean time the American “War on Terror” reaches horn of Africa, Warlords in Mogadishu want to make a quick buck so they start shipping teachers, judges and elders to US war ships and Djibouti • The Teachers, judges and elders fight back • Warlords are defeated Summer 2006 • the pearl of Africa Mogadishu starts to function properly for the first time in 17 years • The Teachers and Judges have told the government this is your capital come and claim it • The Euphoria the excitement • Wait a minute hold your horses this story is not over yet “Break” A pop quiz Who gave safe haven to the defeated warlords? A. Kenya B. Former Yugoslavia C. The TFG Hint: the answere cannot be C the warlords refused TFG entry into Mogadishu 2006-2007 • The government rejects the offer of coming to Mogadishu and calls for the Immediate deployment of Ethiopian forces to fight the “Terrorist” • The Judges and Teachers angry by this tell them get the Ethiopian out of the country or we will not negotiate with you. • The question is why did Ethiopia not deploy their troops when the TFG really needed it against the warlords” • After a long stalemate characters within the ranks of the teachers and judges become inpatient and start an attack • Battle starts between the ICU and Ethiopian forces • The ICU is defeated 2007-2008 • Mogadishu is being bombed back into dark ages • And a regrouped ICU is fighting the Ethiopian forces a year after they were meant to withdraw. • The War lord government is still as fragile as the day it started 2008 * Sky is the limit

The date has been changed to 17/12/07 sorry about the late notice just found out myself

Ladies and Gents I know its a bit of a short notice, but it should be a really good event so try to come down londoners

A year ago Ethiopia intervened in Somalia to install Abdullahi Yussuf as head of a Federal Democratic Government. Citing threats by the Union of Islamic Courts to Ethiopian territory, the Ethiopians swiftly overran southern Somalia and took the capital Mogadishu. Since then resistance to the Ethiopians, and the Africa Union peacekeeping force which is supposed to replace them, has mounted leading to thousands of Somalis fleeing the capital, and creating a humanitarian disaster. This discussion will analyse what has happened and seek ways towards peace and the restoration of Somali sovereignty. Speakers: Dr Ahmed Samatar (Dean, Institute for Global Citizenship, Macalester University) Sahal Abdulle (Reuters) Name: Somalia: A year after Ethiopia’s intervention Tagline: Notable Somali Political Achedmic and Activist@ SOAS!!! Host: SOAS Somali Society Type: Meetings - Informational Meeting Time and Place Date: Sunday, December 16, 2007 Time: 6:00pm - 9:00pm Location: School of Oriental and African Studies(SOAS), Street: Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square, London WC1H 0XG City/Town: London, United Kingdom View MapGoogleMapQuestMicrosoftYahoo Contact Info Phone: 07943053823 Email: 201162@soas.ac.uk/