Adeer you seem to worry about others perception all the time. Somalia has a long history of success and prosperity this 18 year glitch is nothing compared to its past and many countries have transformed themselves to successful states post war, the Balkan states and Vietnam to name a few.

Americans make good TV

You have heard of Rev Wright now meet Pastor Manning http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU&feature=related

Ngonge its called mid Life crises buy a motor cycle

Very good brother LX our own SOL Hadraawi

Very good brother LX our own SOL Hadraawi

Inah Illahi wa ina Illah rajicun

Nice try adeer This is the ICU the same folks that restored a city from the ashes, the same folks that cleaned the streets, opened ports, airports, banned khat, started collecting small taxes ad if that wasn’t enough invited the weak government to take its seat in the capital. There was no one against the government there my friend, the folks that refused governance ironically are mayors, chief of police etc in your TFG. It so happened that the majority of foot soldiers from the ICU come from the regions that they controlled, these soldiers didn’t magically arrive from mars. They were expanding and other regions cam onboard but the movement started of from Mogadishu. With regards to the elders they are the same old men that encouraged the masses to support ICU and fight the warlords in summer of 2006. today they are encouraging the masses to fight the foreign aggressors your weak government has brought. Al Shabaab are the same boys that kicked out Qanyare, Maxamed Dheere, Abdi Qaybdeed, Bashir Raage and co. the Shabaab are the local youth that used play football in Jazeera beach and sell tomatoes in Bakarah market. The elders identity are well known infact some of them were documented in that fantastic documentary done by dispatches. With regards to Turkmen and Mongols or Qureish, you asked whether Al Shabaab was a clan or religious movement I provided evidence that all movements start of somewhere irrespective of whether you believe they serve clan or ideological interest. Refer back to my previous post for their goals.

Saxiib every movement has people with identities behind it the ideals of Al Shabaab and ASR is to establish an Islamic state in Somalia and to get rid of the foreign aggressors. Where most of the man power comes from at the moment is clear for everyone to see. Most fighters are from southern sub clans. Good Abu Mansur, Turki and Co might be the leaders of that movement but they are in the elders playground. The elders who want Ethiopia ejected give the man and material power. Give the elders a more peaceful way of ejecting the Ethiopians from their land and they will be receptive. They will convince Turki and Abu Mansur or in worst case scenario remove the muscle. Remember Islam, the Mongols, Ottomans etc all started of somewhere with certain a certain clan or tribe, does that make it as you would like a clan movement or a movement that started from a region where certain people reside.

I put my hands up for the Turks, must be the Ottoman spirit Eastern Europe is nothing to those guys they used to rule the place.

Looks very good Sophist. Bashi quote: Therefore, everything must be done to reach out to all those opposition groups, particularly the military arm of the ARS whose influence cannot be ignored. Name one reasonable and practical thing that should be done in order to bring them to the peace process dirrin? Bashi Adeer it is not as hard as you make it out, in fact the process of bringing the other groups in the resistance is in full motion. Delegations representing the elders of H clan who have embraced this agreement have already been dispatched to Asmara to convince Sh Aweys to accept the agreement. With regards to the Al Shabaab with the exception of few radical leaders majority of the foot soldiers have are controlled are allowed to operate in the South by those elders. Get the elders from south on board and you will tame majority of the conflict

That’s because they didn’t take the right people to the negotiation table the Good Sheikh and former parliamentary speaker cannot speak English. Now had they taken someone like Prof Ibrahim Caddow he would have checked the finer details. But there are further talks taking place to fine tune the agreement.

Paragon Inhsallah Im there saxiib, I like this guy and I would like to know how realistic the UN deployment is

Works for me too Con, good luck

Adiga magic badal badanida You have point if they are forcefully expelled they wont come back easily into Somali soil again. But remember they said they would be out in 2 weeks and now we are almost coming to the end of the second year. I believe they have faced a stiff resistance and will leave limping. It is not out of pity that they will be leaving but out of desperation their imperialistic dreams are shattered. The good Sheikh is indeed very wise he has used the resistance as a major bargaining tool. Remember they were about to walk out, when the UN and US rushed to declare the 120 day withdrawal. The US had the choice of settling for his demands or seeing Somalia fall into the hands of Al Shabaab (and believe you me the will do everything in their power to prevent that happening) The Sheikh wants solve the deep rotted enmity between Somalis and come back and fight another day with equal men and military hardware. After all this is his long term goal is to establish Sharia in greater Somalia which partly is occupied by Ethiopia.

Reviewing people on incapacity benefit and now a ban on Khat, I suspect conservatives have hired a couple of Somali moles (or they have been watching Marcs videos). Good move they are going to get support by doing this.

Mashallah very well spoken Sh Sharif is perhaps the only leader that is acceptable to Somalis from all spectrums. Hadaba iga qor: If the Ethiopians leave within 120 days as stated, I will not only eat my words, but do so happily. Kashafa I welcome your new stance lets weight patiently for the next 120 days what ever he outcome it is a win win situation for the resistance. Scenario A: The Ethiopian leave and the objective of the resistance has been achieved. Scenario B: The stay and all support will go behind the resistance. PS Siyad, Yey and their likes days are numbered, the future belongs to the young Sh Sharif and his crew of young, intelligent, moderates whose aim is to implement Sharia in the long run.

Cadaan that walk was very long and I should have told you the truth instead of “yeh its just around the tree” but at least you got to see some swans and ducks, the closest thing those east Londoners you stayed with seeing a swan is the halal chicken at the butchers

Juje Adeer he is still raising the issue unlike many of his peers in house of commons, so rather than try and discredit the very few in the west who are actually trying to help Somalia and the rest of the Muslim world I suggest you focus your energy else where. Galloway supports what he believes is right, Somalis might not need his support but it never hurts having MPs on your side, especially one as eloquent as Mr Galloway..

Romanians are a pain in the backside, I have a funny feeling they might squeze through

Children should be taught acts of Ibada from a young age, we have been told to teach children how to pray from a young so that it becomes a normality to them when they reach puberty and so the hijab is another form of worship that is being taught incrementally to young girls nothing wrong with that. Ngonge I don’t think most parents expect their kids to be perfect as soon as they start wearing Islamic attire, kids will be kids they will play and laugh, but the prayer and Hijab they were taught will becoming a second nature to them when they reached the age of accountability, a case preparing for the inevitable in an incremental way.

That’s it marx tell him to hush dem gums Nino come on most of the Stabbing in London takes place at place at Southwark, Peckham and dem endz. Couple of weeks ago one of the locals threatened to pull a gun out during our five a side match

How on earth did Southwark miss this list? I went there last week and I can comfortably say I will not be crossing the river anytime soon

I believe this is one of the reasons why Gabre and Co went to Djibouti, to try put some clause into the agreement in which the atrocities would be forgotten, suffice to say he and his Boss Meles failed