Thank you for clearing that out Miss.

Originally posted by Conscious Manipulation: asalaamu alaykum, Even if her father did threatened her the fact that she got on the stand and testified against him should warrent her the death penalty. For a once, that brings a smile to my heart.

Unfortunatly no. He has been convicted of threatening to kill his daughter, and is now serving time in federal prison.

Khayr, first of all you are getting two things mixed up. The FATHERS you talking about are probably CIYAALSUUQIIN (20's) who dont deserve to be called *Somali-dhaqan fathers*. Most fathers support their children, and it doesn't always have to be financially. If you are over 20yrs old, you should be supporting your parents, not the other way around.

Athena, that was well said walaal. Mizz Unique walaal that was terrific too. Walaal these days we are forgetting respect for our parents.

Walaahi waa wax laganaxo. Soomaliya meel dhaanta hada majirto.

By Jeb Phillips THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH Illustration: Photo After classes on May 13, a sixth-grade Somali girl stood outside with an American boy. That's about the only part of the story everyone agrees on. She might have been kissing the boy or just hanging out with him. She might have told her father not to pick her up at Eastmoor Middle School, or her mother might have called and told her to walk home. But Rahma Rage's father, Mohamed Shide, came for his daughter anyway. He found her there with the boy, which in the conservative Somali culture is outrageous, said one community leader. Shide then told Rahma to get in the car. She says that when they got to their East Side home, he was so angry that he slapped her and put a pocketknife to her throat. He told her he'd kill her, she says, then went to the kitchen, got a butcher knife and threatened her with it. She fled to a neighbor's house. A day later, Rahma told an assistant principal what had happened, and Columbus police arrested her father. They charged him with misdemeanor counts of assault, domestic violence and aggravated menacing. Franklin County Children Services removed her from her home and placed her with an American foster mother -- which is why she invented the story in first place, say her family and her father's attorney. Rahma and thousands of other Somali children live in Columbus and attend public schools. Somali leaders say the girls have come to love U.S. culture, and they want to shed their head coverings and daily prayers for rap music, blue jeans and boyfriends. Accusing their parents of abuse, they say, might be the quickest way into the U.S. mainstream. "Every Somali in Ohio knows this issue,'' Maryan Warsame, director of the Somali Women's Association said during Shide's trial. "We are waiting to see what happens. If she was threatened, then she should be protected from her father, the leaders say. But many believe she made everything up. Jurors heard the case last week, and, late Friday night, convicted Shide of the least-serious charge: threatening his daughter so she thought she was in danger. Worried before the verdict, the leaders now are preparing for the worst. "It's going to destroy the Somali community,'' said Abdullahi Qani, a Somali elder and family friend. A refugee from the Somali civil war, Shide, 38, moved with his family to the United States in 1998. Rahma is the oldest of five children. Family members have told her that she is either 12 or 13. When she became sick in a Kenyan refugee camp, her father regularly carried her on his back for miles to the nearest hospital, he testified. Shide and his family followed the Somali wave into Columbus. Shide found work as a health-care assistant, and his wife, Nimo Hurie, cleaned a bank. Rahma helped care for her siblings. She learned to speak fluent English and made the honor roll. She liked math best. But she changed when she began middle school, her parents said. They discovered she was watching "some bad sex movies'' and listening to "bad rap music'' while they were at work, Shide testified through an interpreter. She began talking back to them and stopped cleaning up after herself. Then came May 13. Shide said he only took Rahma home from school, told his wife what had happened and asked her to deal with it. In Somali tradition, Shide said, the mother disciplines daughters and the father disciplines sons. In his version of the events, he and his daughter ended the night with a hug. In Rahma's, she went to sleep with her bedroom door locked because she was afraid of her father. After she told her version to an assistant principal at Eastmoor, a Somali employee at the schools, Mohamed Hussain, took her back home to talk to her family -- one of the worst things to do in a domestic-violence case, a Columbus police officer testified. She recanted to her family, a baby sitter and Hussain -- but not to anyone else. " 'Tell Mr. Hussain that nothing happened,' '' Rahma testified that her mother said. On the stand, Rahma wore traditional Somali women's garb -- a shawl covering her head and neck, a long-sleeve shirt and a floor-length skirt. She played with her hair. "Why are you dressed like you are today?'' asked her father's attorney, Dennis Muchnicki. "I wear this every day, and I pray every day just like every Muslim,'' Rahma said. An important part of the defense's case, though, was that she didn't. When she went to live with her foster mother, she began looking more like a U.S. teen-ager -- the way she wanted it, her family said. "She was wearing a dress that I have never seen, and it was very short,'' Rahma's mother testified through an interpreter. "Her stomach was naked.'' The foster mother, Rebecca Dowling, who is not Muslim, testified that Rahma had continued to pray and wear traditional clothes. John Saros, executive director of Children Services, said in an interview that a foster family has a duty to be open to a child's culture. Rahma's family and Somali community leaders had wanted her placed with a Somali foster family. Four such families contacted Children Services, saying they'd be willing to take Rahma in. But the background checks and training would have taken months, Saros said. The agency is looking for ways to recruit more Somali families for such cases, he said. The parents do have a voice in how their child is raised in a foster family, he said, but the child's safety is most important. Though the foster mother said Rahma has been following tradition, something else was happening out of her sight, another Children Services official testified. "It was my understanding that Rahma would wear this garb to school, then change when she got to school into typical American clothing,'' said Kenneth Cohen, who handles complaints for the agency. Farhiya Rage, 11, said that she had seen her sister wearing blue jeans and a pink shirt after Rahma began living with Dowling. " 'Tell 911 that your father beat you, and then you can be free,' '' she testified her sister told her. Assistant city prosecutors Melanie Tobias and Bridget Carty questioned gaps between the parents' testimony and their earlier statements. They pointed out that Farhiya still lives with her father and, thus, could be intimidated. In Columbus' wider Somali community, the details mattered less. It's what they represent. "Many families are hesitant to discipline their children because they could call 911,'' said Hassan Omar, president of the Somali Community Association of Ohio. "The parents love their children. They came over here to save their children and educate their children. . . . We lived in refugee camps because we love our children.'' But the children are beginning to rebel, Warsame said. Because they speak English and understand American culture, "they think they are better than their parents,'' she said. This case might illustrate how far their rebellion can go, the leaders say. After six hours of deliberation, the jury returned to the courtroom at 10:45 p.m. Friday. They found Shide not guilty of aggravated menacing, and they couldn't reach a decision on the assault charge and one of the domestic violence charges. But on the most minor charge, domestic violence as a fourth-degree misdemeanor, they found Shide guilty. Municipal Court Judge Dwayne Maynard fined him $100, gave him a 30-day suspended jail sentence and put him on probation for 13 months. Shide will have to follow any Domestic Relations or Juvenile Court orders, which for now means he cannot see Rahma unless she asks for him. "I will not even accept the least of these charges,'' Shide said after the verdict through an interpreter. He said he will appeal. The conviction, though minor, will be enough to tear the community, said Qani, the family friend. He said the Somali elders will meet today to rally around Shide. And they will talk about what to do if their children begin accusing them of abuse, he said. "There is a strong belief that this will start to happen -- and start to happen fast.'' jeb.phillips@dispatch.com Click here to read the article

Originally posted by Admin: Bari-Nomad and Angel-Dust, you should take this post by Admin as a warning. Remember, you are just one click away from loosing your membership if you try to break our rules again. Thank you admin. Now Bari, iliima digin ha oran sxb markii lagu buriyo. I would like to see Guraad banned, more than i want to see Bari-nomad banned though. Because he starts all kind of stuff.

Obsession always means a fear, weakness and intimidation. Smith and Western isku xishoo, ee sida naagaha aad u hadleysid iska dhaaf.

Brother King, i hear you bro. There are some people here who are only here to start some tribal qeelo. People like Sumari, and his friend.

Naferti, if you were given the opportunity to leave that place and come to Amerika would you have then accept it?

Wow the site doesn't only has just one article about Somaliya, but alot of them. Check it out. http://www.civicwebs.com/cwvlib/

This is for King450. Hey you asked about Araweelo and this one talks about it in a very informative detailed way. Thank you rampage. Chapter 6: Prominent Rulers of Ancient Somalia Empress Arrawelo According to the Somali oral tradition, Arrawelo was a powerful ruler belonging to one of the then dominant tribes of Puntland (Somalia). She might have ruled Somalia around 1000 B.C. or so. According to folklore, she ruled for not less than 70 or 80 years. She loved power and wanted to remain the empress of the country till her death. She was very suspicious of men and hated them. At one stage, she ordered that any son born in any family in the kingdom must be castrated so that he may not be able to procreate. She got married and a daughter was born to her. In due course her daughter grew up, got married and gave birth to a son. Empress Arrawelo wanted her daughter's son to be killed. Her daughter prayed to her to let him live till the time he could sit. Arrawelo agreed to her request. In about a year, when the baby could sit easily, the Empress wanted him to be killed. Her daughter requested her to let him live till he could stand. This request was also granted. Then the daughter requested her to postpone his killing till he could walk. Then she requested his killing to be postponed till he could talk. Later on she requested her to let him help her in collecting water, fuel and food etc. which were necessary for her being a mother, till he came of age at 18. Out of her fondness for her daughter, the Empress agreed to this request also. In the meanwhile, the daughter secretly trained her adolescent son to defend himself. Then a severe drought took place. All the wells dried up. One day all the people came with their animals to an important well, which had plenty of water for men and animals. But Arrawelo ordered that nobody could take even a drop of water till she had completed her bath. A big leather tub was brought. People started drawing out water from the well and pouring it in the Empress' bath tub. They let her bathe throughout the day, but she did not finish her bath. The people were getting tired and restless due to the sun, thirst and labour, but she kept saying again and again: "This particular finger has not yet been cleaned, that one has not yet been cleaned." People suffered the torture mutely. But the Empress' eighteen year old grand son (daughter's son) could no longer bear this cruelty, hatred and hypocrisy of Arrawelo. He become very angry and suddenly struck her with his weapon (spear) and killed her. When she was alive, she used to speak and shout like men, but when her grand-son struck her she cried out "Ba'aayee" ("I have lost myself"). According to the Somali language, when a Somali girl or woman suffers any loss she expresses it by using this word "Ba'Aayee"; but when a Somali boy or male suffers any loss, he uses another word "Tota'yaa" ("I have been helpless, I have become without my tribe, the love and unity or grace of my people are lost, I am deserted and broken.") Arrawelo was a very secretive, suspicious and a cruel he-woman having both the characteristics of female as well as a male and she spoke very harshly and acted very hard-heartedly. She was a real terror to all her male subjects who shivered at the sight of her and were rendered as cowards before her. They had all along been thinking, she was a male. But when she uttered her last words "ba'aayee", then all of them of at once discovered that she (Arrawelo) was not a man but a woman. They congratulated the boy for killing her. He said to them, "What you have all along been afraid of was in fact a woman, not a man." The story of the Somali Empress Arrawelo occupies a very prominent place in the oral poetry tradition of the Somali people. Its historical authenticity seems to be perfect. She might have indeed been a very ruthless ruler-the first and so far the last woman ruler in the 7,000 years old tradition and history of Somalia. That her subjects were worried about providing water to their animals shows that they were pastoral people inhabiting the draught-prone region and that could in all probability be the northern region of Somalia, then called Puntland, in about 1000 B.C. or so. King Baur-Bair All over the North Somalia a low caste but a very powerful chief named Baur Bair ruled in the very early times-may be about 1500 or 1000 B.C. He was very clever and skilled. The Somali folklore says that he taught the Somali people how to make a bow and arrow and how to fight others with the help of bows and arrows. He lived on a mountain. In his kingdom, he had enforced the custom that any marriage would be legal only when the bride had first spent seven nights with him. Chief Gasare Guda In the south-western Somalia, there ruled a wise Chief of the Rahanwene tribe, named Gasare Guda. He taught his people ethics and etiquette. He taught them to respect and help others, have unity in the Rahanwene collectivity, welcome other tribes and be good persons. It is believed that Gasare Guda had a big crown of hair and following him, his subjects and then all other Somali tribals started keeping a big crown of hair, tall sticks, spears, a twig brush to clean their teeth with at all times, and wearing two clothes. Gasara Guda seems to have ruled in the south-western Somalia about 2,000 years ago. Chief Ghied Babow According to Somali folklore, he lived in Buracawe (iron mountain). He followed the same sort of customs which Baur Bair had adopted. He also used to sleep with every newly married woman for three nights before she was allowed to join her husband. He was a very big and tall person. The folklore describes him as much bigger than the size of an average man. He was very brave. He taught his people how to defeat their enemies; he was the master of war strategies. He was also a master of traditional agriculture and he taught his people the art of cultivation. Every year all the people living in his jurisdiction used to give him gifts of food grains, camels, livestock and other things. Whenever he took the fancy of any girl or woman and wanted to marry her or enjoy her, she had to be given to him at once, for all his subjects were greatly afraid of him. Chief Wilwal In western Somalia, another important ancient ruler was Wilwal from the Bartile tribe. He was very smart. Somali folklore says that it was very difficult, rather impossible, to defeat him in battle as well as in intelligence, for he was a super-intelligent person. He had thrown a standing challenge to his people: "Either defeat me anyhow or remain under me". So everybody was very afraid of him. He had thousands of cattle (cows), but he slept away from them, all alone in a secluded place. He always ate two portions of the roasted meat of a calf, while all his followers and friends could have only one portion. One day some of his followers and friends met secretly and said: "Why does chief Wilwal take two portions of meat while he gives to all us only one portion. This is injustice. So we have to tell him that he alone cannot take two portions." Then the question arose as to who would tell him? After a lot of discussions, they selected three persons among themselves who would tell him this in just three words, each one uttering only one word, standing at three opposite points so that he might not be able to kill all of them. It was decided that the first man would utter his name "Wilwal", the second man would speak a Somali word meaning "the two portions of meat", and the third man would utter the Somali word meaning "you are not expected to eat yourself". Then they went to him to execute this plan. The first and the second men uttered the words assigned to them, but the third man, out of excitement and fear, became confused when his turn came and instead spoke timidly, "we have decided to add another portion", (i.e. "you take all the three portions". Wilwal thanked them; everybody was disappointed at the failure of their plan to control him. There is another interesting folk story about Wilwal. One day Wilwal was celebrating his marriage with a girl presented to him by his subjects after making a selection out of many girls. She was very beautiful, intelligent and courageous. She was a shrewd girl and was capable of keeping her presence of mind. During any discussion she could answer any question convincingly, so the people had selected her to be their king's wife. Wilwal was a dictator. He would often invite people near his house under the big trees. Considering himself to be the most important man he did not like any competitor. He used to distribute food to his men by pouring it in the upper cloth of the garment of the people, so that nobody could talk, being attentive to hold his cloth on which the food was to be poured. If any men refused to accept food in his cloth, he would be immediately beheaded by Wilwal with his sword. One day a very handsome and intelligent young man was found in the tribe by Wilwal's wife (the same girl who had been presented to him by the tribe). She secretly started loving him and inviting him to come to Wilwal's house (which was in the lake) after midnight. While Wilwal was asleep, she would be sleeping with her young paramour separately in a hidden corner of the house. One day Wilwal said to his wife, "There is none more beautiful, smart, intelligent and stronger than me." She replied, "There is one. But I will not tell you who he is. He comes to meet me every night. You have to discover and defeat him." Wilwal took up the challenge and decided to ambush him in his house after mid-night. The courageous young man came after midnight. As he tried to be reach Wilwal's wife, Wilwal tried to catch him. Wilwal caught a comer of his dress. But the young man immediately cut it with his sword and ran away. The next day, Wilwal called all the men of his kingdom to his house. All including that youngman came there. He inspected them to find out the comer of whose cloth had been cut in the midnight scuffle. But he found that the corners of all the upper garments of all the men present there were cut. So he could not recognize the culprit. He kept mum and came back to his wife. Teasingly she asked him, "Have you found him?" He replied "No." She said, "I will tell you how to discover him. Now you invite all the young the men under the big tree, kill many cattle, cook their meat, and distribute it to them. If anyone refuses to accept the cooked meat in his doth by making it like a container, you should at once understand that he will be that young man who comes to me daily." So it was. The intelligent young man came in the end as the last person. When his turn came for taking the food (which was .being distributed by women) he kicked the container of the food and container was thrown on the ground. So Wilwal decided as usual to fight with him publicly to challenge him for his obstinacy. Wilwal took out his sword. The young man was also given a sword to fight with. Both were of equal power. They fought fiercely and after a long-drawn duel the young man beheaded Wilwal. He married Wilwal's wife and became the king of Wilwal's territory in western Somalia. The details of the story show that Wilwal was a big pastoral tribal chief of western Somalia around 500 B.C. or so, by which time pastoral nomads had begun to dominate Somalia. Since the Somalis have a centuries old tradition of preserving their accurate traditional histories, genealogies, teachings, morality and wisdom orally in the form of epics, poems, folk stories etc., we have to give due credence to these stories of the ancient rulers of Somalia. They have to be treated as real histories of their times, tribes and areas, even though there are many missing links in them. They cannot be dismissed as just fiction or mythological or religious stories of the Somali people, for they very graphically describe the nature, habits and doings of the ancient ruling chiefs and the manner in which they controlled and exploited their subjects during the early pastoral age of Somalia. These rulers might have existed any time before Christ. In any case they existed much before the 7th Century A.D., that is, before Islam came to Somalia.

Why do people misspell their name intentionally? I can't see myself doing that, it will give out the wrong impression about my level of intelligence.

Brother King. The redskins, always seem to be beaten early in the games. Last season before they lost (i can't remember to who) they were promising us something different, but i was dissappointed to have seen them exit the season so early. I dont think this season is any different from others before, another Redskins defeat waiting to happen.

Thats a very small amount of money compared to the $2.5 billion dollar that Soomaali families send back home every-year. Thats alot of money if you just look at it that way. Its more than enuff to rebuild any wartorn nation, and bring it back into the modern age. I think a national investment group should be created that soomali people who want donate anything to build their can do so. I am sure there are some people who would like to donate some money in sometime their life to help the country.

Originally posted by Nefertiti: demand for air conditioning installements in tubes, we bloody well pay for it The bad thing is, this is a country that was suppose to be a modern western nation.

Northerner, so why not move down here to the US? My son (the one with the USAF) told me he might be stationed in one of those Amerikaan bases in London.

Originally posted by flying-still: ^^^ your Idea of a good dream: Chasing some poor women down an alley yelling " Naa dhaqankii ku noqo Naayaa!!" When you finally catch up with her she jabs you in the eye with her keys...and you being nin yaaban yell " War naagaha sanadkaan walaahi waa kibreen..waagi hore naag maba ku dhici laheyn in ay nin rag ah indhaha ka rido!! " That was really funny.

I have a very close friend who is from Great Britain and he tells me how things really suck there. One of the things he told me was how there are no airconditions installed in most public places. For example like the public trains, libraries, and movie centers. I dont understand how a country could get by without any A/c's? I live in Amerika and everywhere seems to be airconditioned, even the bus-stops. You know where you wait for the bus. Anyways, if its easy i would've suggest that everyone move down to Amerika and enjoy life here.

Originally posted by Flamboyant: I don't know if this is only unique to me, but i tend to control my dreams, in other words my dreams don't control me....i set the scene and the individuals in it!.. I look forward to sleeping everynight.. How can any human being control his dream? I sometimes get really MAD when i wake up in the middle of really good dream.

Shujui, do they show those anti-smoking ad campaings in where you live? Because here in Amerika they say over 2,000 people die from smoking. I dont know if that holds any truth to it, because i know a friend for very long time (45yrs) who smokes, and still does. I dont personally smoke, i tried to do it once but it hasn't worked out.

Originally posted by BUUMAAYEE: ELECTONICS INGINEERING STL COMM FOSTWEAR/HARDWEAR DIGITAL.ELECTRONICS CULUAS/DYNAMICS INGINEERING/SIENCE CH/SYSTEM F/CHART GARAPHICAL/SYSTEM WHAT ELSE MUST I METION? What you just said spreads over into 5 Engineering/Science fields. Are you really doing all that? I dont know how some people can do more than ONE-MAJOR together.

Originally posted by Latiif: Arr kuwanaa, wax matarayaal baad tihin dhamaantiin hadaadba iska dhicin la'adihiin Nin-Yaaban. Walee reer Qudhac iyo reer qansaxba waad ceebayseen hablayahow!! War Nin-Yaaban, udhamee sxb kolayba udhamaysaye!! Isa sii raaci sxb Brother Latiif. Marka hore, waad salaamantahay. Marka danbane, waxaan rabay in aan wax kuu cadeeyo. Meeshan ma aha wax la isku baxayo. Meeshan hadal baa lakala weedaarsan. Waxa kilaya oo aan dadkan u sheegayo waa dhaqankeena, iyo sida uu uqaaliga yahay. Hablaheena waa eey dhumeen ee ilaahay ha hanuunsho

There is no one complaining, we are merely asking questions, and why things are that way. There is nothing wrong in asking questions.