Hayeee!!!! Show em how it's done - you can only expect so much from provincial Burcaawis

^LOL - Where are the spectacular pics you promised me? You gonna be able to beat North's contribution?

^Any woman who routinely asks questions of that nature has serious self-esteem issues and regardless of the number of compliments or white lies told no man can compensate for that. And one can't have a serious, stable adult relationship with someone who's still finding themselves. That is what adolescence is for.

^Adeer - are you back from Somaliland? If not - you can't seem to get enough of SOL fadhi-ku-dirir - can you?

^LOL. Look at what you unleashed Fahiye.

It's my party and I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to.........

Originally posted by me: quote:Chimpanzees kiss and embrace after fights, and other nonhuman primates engage in similar "reconciliations." LOL ME! Checkmate. Ghanima - you have no choice but to make up with him. Otherwise you are socially inferior to a.........

Draft 1 Why is it that Somali intellectuals educated abroad, familiar with and knowledgable about decent socio-political systems in the West are transformed into greedy, corrupt clannists no better than the ill educated ones at homes and sometimes worse when given positions of trust back in Somalia. Why is that? Hypothesis 1: You really can't take the 'savage' out of The Savage. Anything else is nothing but a veneer. Hypothesis 2: Back in the milieu of Somalia where the entire culture and environment revolves around the taking and hoarding of scarce resources seen as a zero sum game - the vast majority of intellectuals, well meaning or not, get swept along in this and not without the aid of their supporters and hangers-on who, suprise surprise, tend to be related and so benefit. Damn that was a long sentence. I'm not sure which is rite. Possible Solution: 1- Any intellectual given a position of power or trust must have character. This means he/she should not be a known alchohol drinker or someone who is known as multiple persons in the West so as to claim welfare wealth. Hmmm - solution need more meat - time for others contribution.

^Interesting answers Baashi. But if they see no role for themselves in the present political formula as in Q3/A3 - how can there be any comprise? And if it is an adhoc alliance as in A4 - why bother to comprise if the deliverables are not necessarily in the hands of those doing the comprising? Adeer hawga iska da - you are a ressonable and sensible man on Somali politics - what is the controversial tactic?

Moreover Addis Ababa ploughs significantly more money into ****** for roads and other services than it receives in taxes. True?????

Adeer ME - why don't you give us the first draft? Something non-Somaliland please - you've ridden that horse for many moons now

^ME - you've got the match totally rite - SB and Layzie. They belong together.

^Usheeg Baashi. Why don't we expand the discussion a bit: 1- What do the Islamic Courts really want(politically speaking) apart from Ethiopia out? 2- What is the political platform in terms of governance - appointment or election, federal or centralized, etc? 3- Do they see a role for themselves in the current political system (4.5 TFG) or do they want a whole new process to take place? If the latter - what would the new process be? 4- Does the Asmara Group really have any control over those fighting in the Islamic Courts name? ie. in a negotiation - each side must bring something to the table? 5- Is the Asmara Group open to a comprise with the current crop in Mogadishu - if not, why not? What are the preconditions to talking? I hear very little on these vital issues from the proponents of the Islamic Courts. There needs to be clarity if any genuine discussion to move Somalia forward.

Not here but wish I was. Jofay, Bajuni Islands, Somalia In the meantime, this will have to do:

Originally posted by Kashafa: I musta hit a nerve to cause such a um exuberant reaction You like to give yourself airs. You have hit no nerve apart from the one that seeks a modicum of decency in a public space after many months of patience. Your posts are akin to going to a favourite hangout and constantly hearing obscenities, shouting and bitterness. They are not directed at the one going to the hangout but the sheer rudeness, af-xumo and lack of character get to any normal person and so they say war yac. And so I say the same to you. And it's not as if there is anything else besides the bitterness and vitriol - no ideas, no plans, no critiques, no intelligence period. If that was thrown in - there might be a slightly redeeming factor. And the sad thing is - improving your tone and the level of discourse would actually help to sell your position, such that it is, to other folks on SOL. At the very least, a change in tone/discourse would provoke thought in those that oppose you. Rather - one sees your posts and automatically gets turned off even before taking time to consider anything relevant you might present(of which there is woefully little). It's all dhabo-dhilif, maggot, blah, blah, blah. from an otherwise diplomatic 'everything-is-fine-in-Somalia' Point-ka. Prove it. Again - meaningless commentary pulled out of thin air. Our country is under foreign occupation, Somalis are dying on the ground and Point-ka is worried about hurting the feelings of the people behind the killing. LOL. Have you ever been on a bus and then heard obscenities and other foul language shouted loud and clear? The person doing so is not directing the foul language at you or anyone on the bus in any way. But anyone with any common decency is disgusted by such behaviour. And so it is with you. Your nasty bitter tone and the vitriol you spew is at ridiculous levels. Someone should tell you to shut up or at least change your tone. I wonder how many times I'm going to have to repeat this for any inkling of understanding to penetrate your brain. And hypocrisy of hypocrisies - you who engage in such garbage love to cloak yourself in the Islamic flag while condemning all else who challenge you. Someone is in sore need of Islamic debating 101. You need to relax with that BS, mayn. Come down from whatever cuckoo-land you're at, put your feet on the ground and smell the blood and the scorched cities of Somalia, courtesy of your beloved friend, allies, and neighbor: Ethiopia. I know, I know, denial is bliss, but it won't be here on SOL Politics section, not while I'm around. You haven't any clue what BS means. I'd direct you to an examination of your own posts but you're so deep in it there's hardly any point. 'Beloved friend' and 'denial is bliss' - again prove it. Hint - talking out your azz is the very essence of BS. Chew on that. The other insults(low-bred, low-born) are metaphorical, however you're free to read them literally if that will give you ammunition to dodge the debate, as TFG peeps always do Forget metaphors. I'll tell you something that is a straight up reality. Anyone who's entire discourse and debate consists of 'dhabo-dhilif, maggot, low born and low bred' - is in fact the one who is low born and low bred. End of story. It is as simple as simple gets. Have you considered the posts of other anti-TFG folks on SOL? NO ONE approaches your level of af-xumo and vitriol. It is such a huge turnoff and it is quite disgusting. Go on - take a look and compare the tone and language of your posts to theirs. It's not as if those folks feel less strongly about issues unless you appropriate this in addition to the Islamic flag. It's that they have some self-respect and character. Learn from them. Do ur best to dance around the topic and invoke crimes that happened in 1991 or 1920 or during Weel-waal's age, myself and others will tie you down to present reality and a living echo to the perpetual infamy of the dhabo-dhilif camp. What dancing? Have you presented anything other than vomit? '1920, Weel-waal's age' - what are you talking about? When did I make a mention of that or reference that in the current context? Utter fantasy. In the face of that shameless hypocrisy and clannist groupie-dom, Point-ka advises 'politeness' and looking for 'concrete solutions'(read: stop fighting pesky Muqaawama. Surrender to Adeer Zenawi as we did). Again, you need come out the house more, man. Shameless hypocrisy? - when you improve your discourse and debate or give up the Islamic religion - then you will stop being a shamless hypocrite. Character(or in your case lack of) starts with each individual. And please do list in detail my shameless hypocrisy - that is unless the drill of dhabo-dhilif, maggot, traitor, low born etc is too hard to give up. You can fight all you like - the point is what comes next? What you're going to do? What if fighting is not working? How will you deal with a divided Somali polity? NOTHING on these vital matters. Not even a small consideration. Just the same nasty repetitive ranting ad nauseaum. So the next time my words hit a raw nerve(as the truth does) and causes the bile to rise up, ask yourself: "Why am I feeling this way? Does anything that Kashafa is saying have any merit?" And if you feel my speech is too strong, you might wanna take a look at Sayyid-ka's famous oratory and gabays when discussing the turncoat traitors of his age. Oh yeah, they had dhabo-dhilifs back then too. Nother topic, nother thread. The bile surely does rise up and that stems purely from the contents of your posts. Merit? What merit can an endless drumbeat of dhabo-dhilif, maggot, low born/low bred and other assorted bitterness possibly have? As I said you present no ideas, no critiques, no plans - nothing. That is where merit lies. As I said - you like to give yourself airs. Comparing yourself or associating yourself to the Sayid. Pardon me - but he was in the battlefield. I'll allow him some leeway though not Cyber warriors. Walle - talk about over the top crap. Moral of my post: Dhabo-dhilifs don't get nor deserve any respect. Not in Sayyid-ka's time and certainly not today. Here's the moral of my post: Repect yourself, your religion, and the public space by toning down your bitter and insult laden rhetoric. And once in a while do present ideas, policies, critiques etc in order to actually have any intelligent discourse. But I know that is quite a big step - slowly, slowly is the way to go.

Originally posted by Kashafa: [QB] ^A)You're taking it personally. Think with your head, not your heart. I was answering DQ's question, not calling you a dhabo-dhilif, but if you're position makes you one, than the post goes for you too. LOL. Look who is talking about thinking with your head not your heart. Have you examined your posts for the last several months? Vitriolic, insult laden, emotional outbursts are the hallmark of your posts. No ideas, no policies, no platforms, no intelligent critiques. None! I certainly am not taking it personally. But quite frankly - I'm sick and tired of rereading the same childish rants from you. And I thought I'd finally let you know. That is what prompted my post. Luvin' them forced choked rationalisations. So, since atrocities happened back then , we shouldn't worry too much that atrocities are happening now ? What comes around, goes around eh ? I've heard this explanation before and it came from an arch-qabilisto known throughout our local area. Nice way of massaging one's conscience. Huh? And where did I say that? My point was simple. Let me break it down to you sloooowly: The Somali tragedy has been unfolding over the past 2 decades. Anyone who is experiencing a surplus of shame at this stage is doing so out of naivete or something more odious - political posturing. Capische? It's odd - your fixation on commenting on this particular atrocity as opposed to all the others happening in Somalia. Let's see - this week all the following happened: 1- Folks dead in Bur Gabo 2- Religious folks dead in Galkacyo 3- 2 kids slaughtered in Hargeisa But unless the incidents in Mogadishu are condemned - you are a 'low-born, low-bred, maggots'etc [insert opprobium ad infinitum]. This outlook reminds me of certain Jews and other narrow interest groups. The thinking goes like this - 'Oh you didn't comment on that particular peice of anti-semitism [or whatever]' ergo you are a hateful, bigoted ..... Somebody's stuck re-fighting the 90's civil war in his head: The entire country is under Xabashi occupation, right this second, massacres are being committed right now, and the only thing on this charachter's mind is the past. Sweetheart - try to stick to commenting on what I actually said not commentary of your own imagination. OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!! The entire country is under Xabashi occupation - HOLY SH*IT! It's the end of the World!!! Get over yourself. Somalia is in the mess it is in because of Somalis. Come up with concrete ideas to get Somalia out of this mess rather than repeating your petty lines about how horrid those ethios are. Even more funnier, DQ was probably a baby when the civil war was happening, how in the world can he have any concept of shame ? Logic and Irony seem to be weak subjects for TFG supporters. Oh Lord! Did the atrocities and tragedy end soon after 1991 or have they been going on for much longer? Are you living on Planet Earth? I tell you what is truly funny. What is truly funny is someone who wraps himself up in the Islamic flag who, when conversing with other Muslims, is unable to present anything other than vitriol, bitterness, insults, condescension and character assassination. Way to represent! Woohoo!

Originally posted by Kashafa: quote:Originally posted by Dhulqarnayn -alSumaale: do you not feel the shame? just 5 minutes ago i choked on my pepsi cola due to the block in my throat because of the painfull shame oh the shame Whatever shred of shame that dhabo-dhilifs posses is masked by a thick coat of tribal vitriol. Having been weaned since childhood on a cuqdad-laden inferiority complex diet, everything and anything will be sacrificed for the sake of 'our cause'. Look at them, DQ-ow, as they battle on this forum. As they prattle on: "Kismayo anakaa iska-leh" vs. "Maya, anaka aa iska-leh". Low-born, low-bred Xabashi slaves who can only view the world through their respective clan prism. Not an ounce of wadani-nimo, Not an inch of Somali-nimo. They worship Hiraale & Yey, two Xabashi maggots who have no honour, no respect, and no remote qualification to lead, except that of a clan warlord. Rest assured tho. There are men and women on the ground, from all across Somalia, striking the blow for freedom, who have only one identity, forged through combat and sacrifice. I call them thoroughbreds. They call themselves: Somali-Muslims. And this band of brothers and sisters, the only inheritors to the legacy of Xaawo Taako, Axmed Guray, and Sayyid-ka are the vanguard who will free our country from foreign occupiers and local turncoats. Walle - the self righteousness, condescension and hysteria are getting to ridiculous levels. :eek: :rolleyes: DS - the shame started long ago with the civil war and the countless atrocities. It's a wonder you've only started choking with shame now.

^Oh the repetitive post ending one liner

^Well said Che. And you're absolutely right. But at the end of day - I think it's detrimental for everyone to 'force' folks who don't want to be in the project so to say. And now with this admin - there will be no one to blame for lack of progress but their self selected leaders and themselves. And judging by the initial actions - it's already started on the wrong foot. Here is a region acknowledged by everyone to suffer from neglect and lack of economic progess - yet its new leaders and administration saw fit to appropriate moneys for some 13 cabinet ministers etc[and this in first few days]. And you can bet the bureaucracy won't end there. At the end of the day - it seems, at least me, to be more of an exercise of - 'I want to eat my share of the taxes'. Time will tell.

^DS - it's a simply another peice of news - as Duke said - economic news, security news, tragic news etc. As to tool - saaxib - you're reading a little too much into things. Just take things at face value.

^Odd - so it would make you feel better if they were burning too? :confused:

^No english. Let them tough it out!

Of course one should know their roots and that includes qabiil. But it is to be used to denote and remind an individual of 'special' obligation to 'x-clan' and not as a tool of ostracism or bigotry. I can't believe anyone answers qabiil questions from strangers. It's just rude and overly prying.

^It's 'Nation' of 'Islam' folks. Nothing to do with Islam. They should be forced to change their moniker to Cult of Elijah Mohamed. :rolleyes:

^K - the Emirates have and are still continuing to diversify their economies. Dubai is a business and leisure hub. Something less than 10% of that emirates' economy is derived from oil. Inshallah Somalia will be like that and even better. The land has so much going for it - its people have been the letdown. Intelligent and public serviced minded members of the diaspora should lead the way. Unfortunately for the present, the only ones who go back, in the political arena at least, are kursi/lacag doon cats for whom the welfare cheques of the west have proved insufficient.