Somalis are rude. In general. You only hang around wadads Xiin?

^I don't know why you guys keep blaming Caadan for the mishap. It's not as if Somali women are easy to keep. And then you have the bloody families - with hadal and xan and the general incivility of Somali culture etc etc.

^Hadal Badanaa!!!

^LOL - u left urself too open there - had to take it.

^Ahhh - now your posts make sense

Che - it's occupation not colonization. There is a difference. FTS - I know you hate them but to suggest there is no nation there is too much. If you're suggesting the way it is now with Somalis and Oromos and others forcibly incorporated then ok. But Ethiopia at least wrt its Amhara/Tigray population has always seen itself as an ancient, unified and Christian nation.

Good call! I find amusing the attempt to parry any perception of 'weakness' or 'letting the side down' with backtracking and inconsistencies.

^Odd - you approve of murdering people then running away from the consequences. :confused: Hope they lock him for life. Good riddance. Xoolo.

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: quote:Uniquely in Africa, Ethiopia was never really colonised by Europeans. Why some Westerners repeat this erroneous slip as a fact. Itoobiya was colonized [well they can call it 'occupied' or whatever]; the reality is they were colonized by Talyaanis for almost five years until they were saved by the Ingiriiska in the early days of second great war. MMA - You have made the erroneous slip Colonization is not simply about a military occupation like the Italians in Ethiopia. Otherwise we would refer to German colonization of France, Poland etc from WWII. Colonization is a much more invasive process - one important part of which is that other nations recognize your 'ownership' of the colonized land. That was never the case with Ethiopia.

^NPR? - Birkenstock wearers

^Aid is never more important than the Nile but the Nile is not a pressing issue right now. They were supportive in the beginning but something went wrong. And the AG needs to understand the art of diplomacy. Perhaps you could advise them - Playa Man.

^Aweys is the svengali of the whole shindig. Why do you think he's in Asmara? As to the Arab countries - they were very sympathetic and open to the Asmara Group particularly the prime mover on Arab policy in Africa, Egypt. Egypt sees Somalia as key to retaining control over Nile waters which originate in Ethiopia. But the AG blew it. Astute diplomacy is about give and take - what is the give here on the AG's part? Rien de rien. That French comment was just for you FB

Wacdaraha - you should do a report on China when you get there and tell us about your experiences and something about Somalis living there. Good luck.

Interesting article. This is ultimately about the rather strange and twisted Saudi culture and not Islam. If Saudi students goes to this institution then whatever ideas are taught and discussed will filter out into the broader society. Man - it must be nice to be able to simply appropriate 12 billion for your own pet project.

Oh who cares. The Islamic world has bigger problems than to ruminate on the tragedy of Jews.

^Yes there is. To call a few armed men who've intruded significant is rather missing the point. And if they're ejected in a week or a month - do they still have significance? Good attempt for the aide though

Originally posted by Xoogsade: ^ Xuubsireed nooga warran and the party you were so jubilant about the other day. Got some pics saxib? Want to see your big forehead, so, go ahead, indhaha iga cawir PS:Anigaa clanish ah iska key celi, Castro is not. He is the Distinguished Somali from the North who cares about Somali's Unity and Prosperity than he cares about narrow clan bantustans. This is the sort of shid that ruins intelligent threads like this. May it never rear its crappy head here again.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^ Most of all losers in their works, whose course on earth has been in vain, while they count that they have done fair deeds. Says Allah! And the verses go on to narrate the after-dialogue said losers will be having with their Maker after they are resurrected limping with a great disability----lacking the sight with which to see! It’s because you’ve deviated the right path after you’ve clearly recognized it. Allah reasons with them. Likewise, the formula for success for Somalis is roundly obvious for all involved. All grievances when examined thoroughly emanate from injustices done during or before the Somali civil war. Justice is what Somalis need---force alone will not right the wrongs that were committed. We can all forget and forgive as it were but one cant sport the lavish trophies of civil war or continually brag about the gains of anarchy, and expect to be forgiven. As such, the tfg needs a fundamental reform before it can present itself as a genuine entity that can be trusted with reviving the Somali republic. The strength it has is the support it gets from the international community. But as pointed out it has been unable to capitalize on that strength. And absence any fundamental reform, it will be a wishful thing to expect it will do any better than it has already done. The Asmara group too is greatly compromised by the inclusion in their leadership with known thugs and shifty characters. ICU, as it was in its original frame, is no longer! And if truth were to be told, this group as it’s presented to us has no capacity to address the core issues for which Somalis have been killing each for nearly two decades. The only value it serves is to challenge Ethiopia’s hegemony in the country, I believe. And that is not enough to revive Somalia. If Ethiopia withdraws today I can’t see them succeeding to control Somalia wholly and peacefully. It needs, the Asmara group does, to recognize that the tfg is a part of Somali political polity and come to the realization that it has to sit down with the tfg despite the circumstances the country is in! The principles [being inflexible to talk to the tfg while Ethiopia’s occupying the south] good Bilaal admires are in fact Asmara groups’ Achilles’ heels. When you don’t have the might to reverse things to your favor, talking to your enemy is a great strategy. Somalis lack the leadership it takes to remedy the damages that civil war done to them. And the hard facts are that Somalis need interference from outside to arrive a lasting solution to their civil strife. My head tells me neither Eritrea nor Ethiopia can serve that function. Perhaps the Saudi Kingdom can. Lets pray for peace yaa Jamaacah! Adeer - I haven't seen anything apart from some ineffectual sniping to poke holes in your argument here. I would just say this is ridicolously premature - "Justice is what Somalis need". How about we try for a little decency and we will get to justice in due time.

Bilaal, Politically - the Asmara Group is highly opportunistic - it doesn't matter what your history is and what you have done - as long you oppose Ethiopia youre welcome into the tent.I'm not sure that's a wise strategy. Be that as it may, it's important to at least acknowledge it and if you believe that all is secondary to getting Ethiopia out - then state it baldly please. Your commentary here was very much of the dreamland quality. Hassan Dahir Aweys is a huge political liability for the AG. Rightly or wrongly he is a wanted man by the US. So how can the movement retain this fellow as the brains behind the whole operation and have a hope at real power in Somalia. A politically astute move would have been to disassociate this man from the movement as soon as it was re-formed in Asmara not to entrench him further. Diplomatically - the Asmara Group has had a dismal failure. They have managed to alienate the Arab states that were sympathetic to it by their sheer obstinancy. Diplomacy is a game of give and take - you cannot seriously expect diplomatic support if you don't at least provide your supporters with 'noises' in the right direction - ie. vague talk about possibly maybe talking to the TFG using back channels. As to Eritrea - it is a deeply troubled country. It's support, limited as it is, cannot be long continued particularly if the Americans and Company put the squeeze on it as they've threatened to do. You talk of diplomats flocking to Asmara - I have serious doubts on this. But even if they were - they have to come back with something, however nominal - to show for their efforts. And the Asmara Group has provided them nothing. Militarily - there are huge problems for the Asmara Group. I don't believe they have control over this Al-Shabaab group whose allegiances and objectives are opaque to say the least. You say "Militarily, the ARS has achieved a great deal in a very short time." What exactly have they achieved? What is the great deal exactly? About the only thing I can fathom is making the TFG/Ethiopians look bad in the capital. Actually, there's one other achievement though that wouldn't be the term I would use and that is introducing suicide bombing to Somalia. If the TFG will live in infamy for bring Ethiopian troops to Mogadishu, then the oh so Islamic Asmara Group will live in infamy for introducing suicide bombing to Somalia. All other actions I can chalk up to 'insurgency' but this is categorically contemptible. You talk of the 'strong public support' for the Asmara Group and its military operations. How did you arrive at that conclusion? What facts led you to that? In my opinion there is really no way to know that. You can't simply project your position on the Somali public at large. And if you examine the fact that the vast majority of anti-Ethiopian operations are conducted in Mogadishu - it certainly detracts from your contention. How do you square that fact with the widespread support you claim? When I spoke of entrenching the Ethiopians with the insurgency tactics in Somalia - I didn't mean roll over and play dead. I meant change up your strategy. Do something like this: Stop all insurgency operations and delcare it as so, infiltrate the TFG and its bureaucracy, agitate the public against the Ethiopian occupation after a quiet period(and here you will have the Arab states on your side), start up operations again when the Ethiopians leave and take over. Do something else besides these ineffective operations that allow Ethiopia to point and say 'we're the bulwark against these Islamic nuts'. Where you talked about what gives you hope the Asmara Group will have what it takes if it ever gets the chance to run Somalia - you left the shallow end of the dreamland pool and plunged fully into the depths. There is nothing here with regard to the litany of reasons for hope - character, calibre, principles, skills etc. You could argue they are better at this than the TFG but then that would be splitting hairs not this talk about the potential for ushering a new era in for Somalia. If you think about it, Somalia, in particular its southern parts, was stuck in a deep morass well before the Ethiopian invasion. This reflexive and vehement 'blame Ethiopia for everything' is something that I consider foolish and self-deluding. To get out of the morass will require give and take from Somalis and the pointless absolutism of the Asmara Group is not the way out.

Originally posted by Mslm: Red Sea: Very nice... Thanks walale.. Yeah nice. But where are your pics? Do you need a tutorial or something? You're letting the side down. Until you post - the harrasment will continue!

^Laughing at your own post?! I wonder how many posts you can go without having the 'looooooooooooooool'? Someone please start the count.

Originally posted by Zenobia: I was merely saying that those who are on the side of SL are reer LA. Call them what you like and explain away their motivation all you like, tehy are still reer LA, their stance is significant in regards to the what me and Xiin were discussing before he turned it into a fight for LA debate. You might want to take it up with those who care about boarders. Halkaa ku xidh, I don‘t want to be going round and round in circles over this. If you wanna end it that's fine. I just disagree with your choice of the word 'significant' as regards Sool Somaliland agents. And you haven't provided me with any reason to question that disagreement. :cool:

^Intersting answer Bilaal. I'll try to address it sometime this weekend. Professor Ngonge - don't go quiet on us here - you were doing so well earlier

^Huh? Good night.

^Adeer - why did you go Oodweyne on me? I'll have to tackle this some other time. Better yet - Professor Ngonge - since you roped me into this - how about you step up now?