As long as there aren't concrete fulfilable objectives along the way - that are vital to building trust and momentum - this agreement won't mean much. It will only cause bad feeling and increase distrust and ultimately reinforce the urge for everyone to look out for themselves. Why does this in some way remind me of the failed 'roadmap' for Palestinian-Israeli peace? Fits and starts that lead to nowhere and in the meantime everyone hardens their positions.

Let the hair splitting begin - friend, buddy, confidante, pal, acquaintance etc etc etc. Because Muslims really have very little else to tackle.

Meh - much ado about very little.

^Good God - why don't you give it a rest????? Mannerless does not even begin to describe it. Go see Duke about how to interact with others while pressing your agenda.

Innaa Lilaahi Wa Innaa Ileyhi Raajicuun Samir iyo iman.

Originally posted by Geel_jire: ^ Ashkiro I guess that depends on what article you read .. because I doubt that you have fist hand information about the situation. quote: Somali Woman Stoned to Death in South Over Adultery (Update3) By Hamsa Omar Oct. 28 (Bloomberg) -- A 23-year-old Somali woman was stoned to death in Kismayo after being convicted of adultery in a Shariah court established by Islamists who control the southern port city, an eyewitness said. Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow was buried in the ground up to her neck and her head covered with a black sack before she was executed yesterday, Yusuf Abdi Mohamed, a resident who attended the public event, said in a phone interview today from Kismayo, 500 kilometers (310 miles) southwest of the capital, Mogadishu. ``The evidence came from her side and she officially confirmed her guilt, while she told us that she is happy with the punishment under Islamic law,'' Sheikh Hayakalah, the Sharia court judge, said in remarks broadcast on Radio Shabelle, a Mogadishu-based broadcaster, today Duhulow had earlier confessed to the offense, Mohamed cited Sheikh Hayakalah, the court judge, as saying at the stoning. It was the first such execution in Kismayo since the Islamist al-Shabaab militia captured the city in August. Shariah courts operate under a code of Islamic principles first established in the Arab world by the Muslim prophet Muhammad in the seventh century. Adultery is banned by Shariah law. Somalia is in its 18th year of civil war and hasn't had a functioning central administration since the ouster of former dictator Mohammed Siad Barre in 1991. Violence has escalated since Ethiopian troops helped Somalia's United Nations-backed government oust the Islamic Courts Union militia from southern and central parts of the country in January 2007. otherwise it would require 4 witnesses .. which is not an easy thing .. so this version makes more sense. but don't let me throw obstacles like logic infront of your preferred conspiracy theory. and another question .. what does this have to do with her being a woman ? in any case she is dead now so ilaahay ha u naxariisto, and if this story is true and she did infact ask for her punishment .. then she is to be admired because only someone with strong iimaan can do such a thing facing certain death. Clearly - you fail to grasp the bigger picture. It does matter that she is a woman. Woman who are most the oppressed segment of Somali society and least culpable for its tragedy and yet get the 'priviliege' of being the first example of 'public justice' at work. I mean really! In all of that large city - couldn't anyone more worthy of execution be found? All of those individuals(men!) guilty of murder, robbery and rape - not one has been found and dealt with in a like manner to send a signal - if such was the objective. Please. :eek:

Xiin - Yes, but.... Self styled wadaads using the religion are doing this. Islam - and wadaads - pretty much the only place left Somalis sought decent leadership after complete disintegration. And we have these alleged atrocities and many more over the past several years. Personally - I automatically distrust anyone who styles themselves as wadaad or sheekh.

^Positive change and Somali politician/leader simply don't go together at all! I'll wait and see how he does IF he even gets in.

Alla - dirin badanaa odeyga

^Everyone is going gaga over him even on SOL. My father went to see him in Toronto - and I swear it's like there is a Somali Obama or something. Swooning all around apparently. Good luck to him. Not sure Caade will be going.

Restlessness in the air - everyone is bound somewhere or wants to be bound.

^I know - was just kidding around - though we shouldn't complain much about our neighbours who provided shelter when our country was in chaos. Doing good - it's autumn so back to real work unlike the lazy days of summer. Hope you're staying safe in SA - govt upheaval and economic upheaval too there.

^Bob makes his return with an anti Kenyan diatribe Somalis rule the horn? No - not yet - but if they get their act together - yes. Unfortunately that doesn't look like it's coming soon.

AUN marxumka. He comes from an active and community minded extended family. I wish them samir iyo iiman.

Whatever you want to make of it Sheh Hayam - it's not as loud and noisy as Dixon - I understand why you might get disoriented by that *I'm out - had my fill of troll meat*

^I'm sure she can take care of herself. You on the other hand.....

^Naa ah Sheh! You are so bloody curious and egotistical (yep). Hayam - did you visit back in 1992 or something? And you are aware Shopper's Drugmart is not a sight seeing speciality of Ottawa rite?

Originally posted by siphoningdilemma: TheMoron, I warn you to be civilized when talking to me! LOL - and you want ME to be civilized?! Ladies - chill out. You know all of these men ruining Somalia are the fruit of your loins.

^Clearly you do belong on Lambeth Council you fool

Sheh: Naawwwwwww. Did you just dig that up cooment (which was deleted) applied to CL and her pic of Muhanad whom she purportedly is grossed out by but quick as a whipper snapper can produce a pic of. There's the turd you so wanted. Enjoy!! Really! - must every comment revolve around you

Originally posted by sheherazade: moving too fast. ThePoint, we were exchanging stories and I mentioned the Turk and some here wanted to know what it was all about so yeah I dug it up. What's up your backside? LOL. Hostile women - first Malika now you. All I meant was I posted a comment and it was completely out of date/irrelevant because 6 people posted in the interim. NOW - what's up YOUR backside?

^Fara waweyn time for you clearly It was a reflexive 'shut it' meant in semi jest - Somalis get bashed and do deserve it most of the time. But sometimes you don't want to hear Somalis Suck at a Somali forum. Sheesh.

Deleted. Trollers are too fast to keep up with. Sayonara

^Lily, - or that you are a complete fantasist Which is really a nice way of saying a**h*a* Sayid - meesha ka dhexbax warya - Lambet kulaha

^lol - you mustn't be let out by yourself in a foreign country