^And get egged myself? You're forgetting the damage that would do to the haughty pride of the Somali male.

I don't see how you can support something that is specifically prohibited. You don't have a right to do as you wish - you have a choice for which you must bear the consequences good or bad. So what's the prediction on Barry O's electoral college tally? You guys must be taking bets on it.

Chase people? Throw eggs at them? Somalis always see violence in everything even the ladies. No - we just turn off all the lights and pretend we're not home. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to satisfy the candy crazed kiddies and their minders. We usually get 4 or 5 eggs thrown strategically at hard to reach areas.

Ahhh! The annual egg cleaning night has arrived. Yippeee.

Originally posted by Cara: You're right to be unconvinced. The evidence is not as cut and dried as some people will argue. I think the intelligent thing to do is to read up on as you did, but I hope you understand that there are powerful groups who want everyone to dismiss the topic out of hand. Aren't you properly skeptical of the capitalist agenda? Why is he right to be unconvinced - I don't get that part of your comment. Climate change is pretty much undisputed. A while back the UN got together a whole range of experts from all fields to study this topic and the results were unequivocal on its happening. What is subject to some debate is the extent and timeline that its adverse effects will be felt. "Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global averageair and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice and rising global average sea level" "Observational evidence from all continents and most oceans shows that many natural systems are being affected by regional climate changes, particularly temperature increases." And a lot of other useful information is in their recent report which is extremely readable for laymen. http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr.pdf

^ Xiin -----> There's nothing more to say.

^You're just not getting it. A serious escalation of an ongoing conflict is not things as usual or a run of the mill 'explosion here and there'. It's more serious than that. It creates more division, distrust, retaliation and hardens extreme positions. I'm not sure why that is still not apparent to you. But it would still be a mistake to level at you the accusation you leveled at me.

^Why is that not surprising to me one bit? Nimankaan - their brand is absolutely in the shitters with me. You know what you're getting from the usual venal politicians and clan rabble rousers but these folks and their cunning use of Islam really take the cake.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: The Point, yours is (I must admit) a noble pulse! But this sweeping generalization of wadaads being the cause or the primary driver of Somali conflict as your words imply is grossly unfair! If it’s your anger at this particular incident becomes where have you been for the last two decades brother? Is this a new thing? Did it not happen before? And for you to assume who actually did this while no one even claimed it shows your bias adeer! No sane person with Islaaminimmo would rejoice the death of innocent! Even if one is angry at the policies of those corrupt admins in the North, these tactics will probably have reverse effect and will not bring any positive changes. It’s a debase tactic. Truth is though; the north is part of Somalia. Somalia is ablaze! Hence although I am saddened by today’s incident, I am not surprised. And unless the Somali conflict gets resolved in a holistic manner, this, and I am sorry to say it, is the future! You're just not getting it. Duke understands better than you. This is a dangerous mindset at work to say the least. What's to stop it from next blowing up hotels and schools now? I mean - are there no limits to how this political conflict is to be waged? And it's something that has to be tackled even if a stable political entity is formed. We are already a failed state where conflict has been a staple for decades(within certain playing rules) but now we have a new more horrific tactic at work. And this escalation means nothing? We are on our way to becoming Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq. And it doesn't even faze folks in here. Adeer - I am not saying Shariif is behind it or that nincompoop in Asmara - but the neighbourhood isn't far off. Because this idealogy and brainwashing stems from certain players on the Somali scene - self styled wadaads. It does not stem from the admins up north or the traditional clan leaders in the south. This is a dangerous escalation and it's not clear to me it won't get more common. And the previous few attempts before, while reprehensible as a tactic, were directed at A/Y or the Ethiopians - hardly folks who you shed tears for.

:confused: My concerns are my own saaxib. My point is such talk is a triviality when everyone knows what the requirements of Islam are and what its boundaries are. As long as you adhere to those - you won't need to spend much time evaluating whether someone is your friend, buddy, acquaintance blah blah blah. I don't know why everything must be spelled out to you so much.

^Excuse me for having a pulse. Apparently Xiin - nothing fazes you - not even a dangerous and unprecendeted new tactic in Somalia's long running clan conflicts that could lead much worse to come. And which is a massive perversion of Islam. Caku waa taas.

Originally posted by Khayr: I don't think ThePoint has a Point to make. It is just sentiment. Your angry and you want to blame a finger at the wadaads. When someone perverts a religion you are a proponent of - I would expect some anger. But then - there are many illogical Muslims out there.

^Is it really so difficult? And it's not a central argument to the Somali tragedy - it's about this particular incident. Somalia has a huge problem with so called wadaads and their followers who are committing the worst types of atrocities in the name of Islam. And too few Somalis are ready to condemn them much less acknowledge it. I mean look at this - 6 pages long and I can barely recall a single condemnation of an act carried out in the name of a religion we all share. What are you people all thinking? We had more ppl snidely proclaim that the North cannot be immune to the conflict etc. Really striking and I'm not even a Somaliland partisan or Puntland either.

^None of that even matters. Really. It's trivial to the central argument.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^So you are blaming wadaada for this recent terror in Hargeysa and in Boosaaso? I am blaming the people who are self proclaimed wadaads who claok themselves in Sheekh garb and their minions al-shabaab. These folks who blew themsevles up and other innocents were not motivated by anything other than a perverted twisting of ISlam. I doubt they got that brain washing from Riyoole or Uusay. It's not a big leap of logic.

^^^ Malika, The impact of this explosion will be hiked up to the extent used as a escape-goat for arbitrary arrest and treating harsh to the Somali influx in that area. Killing one another is some thing common in the Somalis but what is not common is the new phase of politically induced human trade in these two areas ( qoodh-xidhka dadka la qoor xidhayo gacanta loo galaniyo cadawga,) Anyway, I feel sorry for the innocent victims of this tragedy. ^No actually. What is much worse than handing over people to your enemies is suicide bombing. I'm afraid it's not even a comparison. And the 'good wadaads' have intorduced this fitna to Somalia and bear full responsibility. And the gall to claim the mantle of islamnimo. :mad:

It's gonna be a landslide. All Mcloser has going for him is a sudden terrorist attack or something like that.

^So the geezers say. Yes - Dhubad - got it. But I'm guessing he was in highschool and she was in primary at the time.

She's 22 and was your former classmate? Something is not jiving.

^Exactly but... What I find more disturbing is the commentary to the effect that the North can't escape the conflict and there are no real borders and I am not surprised etc Is this really how a conflict should be waged? Do you approve of waging conflict through suicide car bombing - which is the implication behind the shoulder shrugging about these attacks. As if it's par for the course to wage conflict, if that was what it was, in this manner. Striking. I've also seen little condemnation of the perpetrators of these heinous atacks. Folks who presumably drape themselves in Islamnimo etc May they rot in hell forever.

Bob! :rolleyes:

I hate the word 'xaasha' - it's just annoys me for some reason.

^Presumably the relative was unaware of her freely given consent - because clearly anyone would run into a crowd of armed self styled wadaads. And then there is the small matter of a child getting shot and killed at a gathering presumably organized to mete justice.

Awwwwwwwwww shucks. What a lovefest. Shall we arrange private quarters so you can continue the mutual 69ing?

Apparently she 'requested' it and saw fit to act this way - and her relative too. Hmmmm. Does this make sense - I think not. The arguments are really quite laughable. "We were told she submitted herself to be punished, yet we could see her screaming as she was forcefully bound, legs and hands. A relative of hers ran towards her, but the Islamists opened fire and killed a child."