^You're like a predictable jack-in-the-box. All one has to do is press a button (ie. Somaliland is NOT the most rockety rocking place in the world) and voila you appear on cue spouting the usual spiel. It doesn't mean you're not entertaining though

I refuse to have a cell phone - a waste of money and an annoyance. Why must one be reachable at all times - really? And it's called a cell phone - it was invented in North America. You guys take everything and twist it around. Bloody limeys.

Seriously - it's upto the women - they're the ones cooking - it's not like the men are gonna walk out without eating. Go on - establish a new tradition. Now that we're on food based rants though - I have one of my own. Why is it at Somali gatherings all the men get is bariis and hilib - waa nala ka qaadiyaa all the macmacan. I mean who wants massive quantities of rice and meat all the time - it gets boring after a while. And besides such a lopsided diet is as bad for your health as getting the scraps.

Originally posted by Nephthys: L0L@topic. Had you lived in Somalia, not only would you eat after men, but also save the valuable, MANLY man portion of the cow/goat meat [shoulders, legs, chest] for them, and what would you eat? yup, the UNMANLY portion; goat cheek, goat tongue, eyes and feet. I'm glad to say I don't have those kinds of sacrificial values. Everytime I attend 'zab' or 'alla-bari', I get served first because of my gastritis excuse; 'naa eedo bastaybaan ahay gaastariig baa i haya, ii shub bariis' . It always works man! Hehe at unmanly. Naaaah. Nobody eats eyes, feet or cheek in Somalia. Where did you grow up? Ileen weligaa belo baad cuni jirtay Originally posted by Nephthys: none of what they told you is a 20min quickie..! try mine, Ok here we go, you will need ketchup, mustard, cheese and cheese grater or shredded cheese [that would save you some time]. OK,its very simple first you put shredded cheese in a bowl then you add decent amount of ketchup to cover shredded cheese and mustard to cover it all, now you could use electric mixer or whatever you prefer to mix it all together. Now it's optional do you want it to be more ketchup taste or mustard whatever you choose add more of it and mix and try it, if it suits your taste you're done and now you have some really weird colored type of butter that you can put on bread or ceesh and you can also put it in fridge to preserve it for next time when you want a quickie. http://www.somaliaonline.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/t opic/6/9560/2

Originally posted by Deputy: ^^^ Nice very succinct. Firstly the TFG is an instrument whose only usefulness lies in its international recognition as envisioned by the Ethiopians in their creation of this entity to agree to their terms in all issues, as well as the warlords and Afar jebeleyal who participated in its creation in the hopes of accessing the western inflows of aid and thereby legitimacy ala the siyad barre regime in the late 80's. International recognition is at the very best tenuous and shallow and ebbs away if it were not for the frantic efforts of the good intentioned sheikh. while indeed the ability of Somalis to come together and agree on a way out of the current impasse is not congintent on the existence of the TFG the insistence on this precondition by the good intentioned is what I found remarkable. "The support it has from Somalia's regional enemies does not preclude Somalia from moving forward with the resolution of its own internal divisions." There shall be no resolution of the somali impasse that will be genuine and long lasting with the proxies of Ethiopia and Kenya at the table, expecially when theu bear the mantle of a legitimate goverment, how ever much the good intentioned would like to ignore this the facts of 18 years of at times blatant and always present manipulation of the somali dilemma by ethiopia in particular will not allow any genuine reconciliation shall occur in somalia. As for the UIC the Shabaab e.t.c my only concern is how much closer they bring us to the somali polity we search for rather than the details of battle here and there. First off - Somalia can't dictate any terms - we simply are in no position to do that. We won't be for decades. I'm not sure what Ethiopia or Kenya desires now that is any different from what they've desired since Somalia's independance. As to their playing a role in Somalia's mess - it's only politics as usual. It would be a fantasy to expect them not to take advantage of Somalia's mess. The question is: are Somalis ready to tackle their mess or will they insist on finger pointng and things that are out of the realm of realpolitik? As to the insistence you mentioned - I can't say that I have noticed it but I may have missed it. You're absolutely right - it is filled with warlords and workers for their own stomachs(hehe). I'm not sure we will be rid of such people in Somali politics for some time. But even such folks can move things forward - witness a former NSS official in the northwest. I don't think any group that believes that military might alone will secure its power will last long in Somalia - that's been proven so many times over and over. If the UIC/Shabaab groups want to ratain power - they will have to modify their stance on governing.

LOL. Get thee off to the pirates's lair then - on the double before decrepitude sets in. Anything that comes out of the nose holds no curiousity for me whatsoever.

Trying to have lunch here. Damn!

Originally posted by Deputy: Tfg for some is AY. I, for one, however don’t think so. I think it's a political arrangement that's only legitimate in the eyes of those who invested time and money in it. Jalle Xiin there has always been a very big weakness in the arguments you put forward for the peace caravan, from your "peace is the only option" which is perfectly justifiable to Baashi's "the alternative is worst", the weakness has always been the lack of understanding on what the TFG is. The transistional federal goverment was created by and for those that wish to destroy the very essence of somalinimo , be they warlords or the ethiopians and kenyans. A such they have failed in every single reasonable and legitimate yardstick that might be used to measure their success in establishing even a modicum of governance with in the little village of baidoa let alone the whole of somalia. THOSE that have invested time and money in it as you say not only do not WANT peace but rather cannot HAVE peace as it is an existential threat to what they are. From the beginning I have said neither Nuur or SHARIF CAN DELIVER however much we might want that to be the case walaal. The TFG is an instrument whose chief usefulness lies in its international recognition. Its ability to get anything postive done rests with the support and cooperation of all Somalis. It is a modifiable instrument - the actors of today need not be the actors of tomorrow or next week. The ability of Somalis to come together and agree on a way out of the morass is not contingent on a disbanding of it. The support it has from Somalia's regional enemies does not preclude Somalia from moving forward with the resolution of its own internal divisions. We've seen so many false dawns and premature claims of victory - UIC rule of the south, TFG takeover of Mog, now the Shabaab and related groups retaking territory. Ultimately - it doesn't matter what one party is or what they call themselves. It's about agreeing on a way forward even if it is with shaydan himself.

^That's one of the most disgusting things I've seen recently. Cure for SISSY - well that will cost a pretty penny. TP's Patented Forumala requires pirate-like cash. I'm afraid you might have just to wait until middle age.

^Ahhh. You have SISSY. Specific Image Scardeycatness Syndrome (Youth). Youth referring to anyone below middle age.

Not the most user friendly map out there. Took me a while to zoom it and move it around. Are the scores in percent - how can you have 147%??

^War iska amus. Odaygaga last saw Somalia in 1975.

^Yes - I'm sure.

I don't believe Puntland will secede. It's just nonsense. As for the rest - I ain't guilty of nothing. Wasn't born there, haven't been there.

^You would know eh?!

^And so they're bribing the local officials in Madagascar to let them operate eh? I wouldn't be too surprised about that. Wax walba ka sug Somali.

It's the same old debate. When is it appropriate to mention/bring up that an individual take precautions when engaging in something risky? It varies with each person and with how someone feels about a particular event/news item. Allaha uu sahlo.

^The Swahilis have likely joined the party and claiming to be Somalis to make them pay quick. I don't believe they operate that far out JB. I think many of these ships are actually hijacked in Somali waters but in order to not look like morons they claim otherwise.

80% arabic words. I'm sure that they are other terms oo Somali asal ah. I'm guessing the SOL Somali hands are going with the more readily familiar terms.

I really have difficulty believing this. A supertanker supposed to be in international waters(200 nautical miles off the coast) with (presumably) security precautions in these dangerous waters is taken by pirates? Naaaah. This whole thing is one big insurance scam or something like that.

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: Speaking of "snitching" and masaajid, this article published on Toronto Star is relevant, I guess. quote: Mosque fights for rights, but slurs Jews and West Centre backs women in UPS dress case, while other faiths are smeared online A mosque asking that Canadian workplaces respect a strict Muslim dress code is at the same time disseminating slurs against Jews and Western societies, and warning members against social integration. The Khalid Bin Al-Walid Mosque near Kipling Ave. and Rexdale Blvd. serves as the religious authority for eight Somali women complaining to the Canadian Human Rights Commission that UPS Canada Ltd. violated their religious rights at a sorting plant. The mosque, founded in 1990 and serving upwards of 10,000 people, preaches strict adherence to sharia, or Islamic law, and no compromise with the West. Teachings on the mosque's website, khalidmosque.com, refer to non-Muslim Westerners as "wicked," "corrupt" and "our clear enemies." Sometimes Jews are singled out. "Is it permissible for women to wear high-heeled shoes?" begins one posting in question-and-answer format. "That is not permissible," comes the reply. "It involves resembling the Disbelieving Women or the wicked women. It has its origin among the Jewish women." Modern pastimes are condemned. "What is the ruling on subscribing to sports channels?" another question begins. "Watching some of the female spectators, when the camera focuses on them time after time" stirs "evil inclinations," the lesson reads. "Some (players) may not even believe in Allaah." Mosque leaders refused repeated requests for an interview. A disclaimer on the website says questions and answers do not necessarily reflect the mosque's views. But the About Us page says: "All questions and answers on this site (are) prepared, approved and supervised by (the mosque's imam) Bashir Yusuf Shiil." The mosque's stand on the UPS case also appears contradictory. In September, a Canadian Human Rights Tribunal heard two weeks of testimony from eight mosque members alleging "Islamophobia" at the company's west Toronto plant. Three final days of testimony are scheduled for next week. The eight women, who lost their jobs at UPS, say Islam dictates that they wear a full-length skirt for modesty. The courier company insists that any skirt be knee-length for safety, as workers climb ladders up to 6 metres high. Under their skirt, the women wear full-length trousers but say they do not want the lower part showing in case the shape of the calf can be discerned. The complaint originally centred on the company's use of temporary workers and uneven enforcement of its safety rules. But the key question remains: Is UPS insisting on shorter hems for safety or is it violating religious rights by denying the women permanent jobs unless they conform? So far, no Khalid Bin Al-Walid Mosque representative has attended the sessions, but the women cited the mosque as their place of worship and religious authority, and tabled a letter from its administration. "This is to certify that the religion of Islam requires all Muslim women to cover her entire body inclusive of the legs, arms, head, ears and neck," the letter reads. "As such, (the women) would not be able to wear pants as an outfit." On the other hand, the mosque's website teachings forbid women to work outside the home in the first place. "It is known that when women go to work in the workplaces of men, this leads to mixing with men," one such posting says. "This is a very dangerous matter," it reads. "It is in clear opposition to the texts of the Shariah that order the women to remain in their houses and to fulfill the type of work that is particular for her ... "We ask Allah to protect our land and the lands of all Muslims from the plots and machinations of their enemies." Two of the women making the complaint – Dales Yusuf, 46, and Nadifo Yusuf (no relation), 36 – said in an interview that they live in Canada now, and are free to pick and choose from Islamic law. "We must work," said Dales Yusuf. "I'm a single parent raising my kids." Jacquie Chic, a lawyer with the Workers' Action Centre representing the women at the hearings, said neither she nor her clients were aware of the mosque's posted teachings. "I, the Workers' Centre and these women are concerned enormously about any expression of anti-Semitism or any other form of racism," she said. Questions to the mosque about its teachings were met with evasiveness over three weeks. Mosque chairman Osman Mohamed three times agreed to an interview and three times cancelled at last minute. Imam Shiil was said to be in Saudi Arabia and unreachable. Mosque administrator Abukar Mohamed confused matters further by appearing to agree with UPS, saying: "The Quran says women must be covered – it doesn't give you the specific clothes. But I am not a religious authority." _______________ Those who run that masaajid now were said to complain about how they have been "snitched" -- they mean the revelation of Islamic comments on their site to the media -- by their bitterly rival wadaado, whom they wrestled the control of that masaajid from -- all the way going to the secular courts. I guess their rivalry did not end there. Fascinating and disheartening. I can't believe all the crap that I hear coming out of that mosque about 'wadaado' wrestling for control. And now this - the Somali community waa eber. About 'snitching' - I find the whole 'don't snitch' campaign a joke. Since when did we become African American gangsters. If you hear something credible that could lead to violence or a criminal act - report it. Use your judgement.

^Hehe

^All about the teeth for you eh? Couldn't help notice the young ladies in the pic are wearing a hijab sky blue in colour - odd that

This is ridiculous. MMA please shut this sh*t down again.

^LOL. Yep - many a breakup has been caused by the lack thereof