^Same to you walaal.

Al-Miskiin;734014 wrote: Assalamu Alaikum ElPunto why dont u'r argument also include people who keep on posting these kind of behavior, and than praising it, and calling everyone else that mentions Islam "backward people, whos trying to keep the sister down"? As for why mention it everytime, it's because, Islam forbids to be silent about fawahish, and impermissible behavior. - Of course with hikmah. Instead of praising the sister, and saying "well done, kudos to you, she is a role model" and making dua for her work. Make instead dua that Allah guides her. Cuz at the end "professional life" dont matter! Nothing matters except u'r deen, and our relashinship with Allah(swt). As somali people say "waxba waxbay ka wayn yihiin", and right now her covering her awrah is bigger than everything else". I'm sure in the day of judgement she would love the dua that Allah guides her and gives her Jannah more than the dua to her work. And I find it strange when some people mentions "why dont u guys say the same, when somali men do the same"! this is only an excuse, and blatant statement! People who are sincere with they're lord wouldn't differ between a man or a woman, a sin is a sin, and a naseeha is a naseeha. We will, as I can speak for my self only, when a somali man do the same, say the same. If there are some people that think somali men can do whatever they want, and at the same time being harsh at somali girls, that's wrong, and hipocrazy . But that's not a reason for others not to speak the haqq. Wa Aleykum salam walaal. 1- Nobody posted this 'backward behaviour' - the post was about a Somali Canadian civil engineer and her accomplishments. If this article was entitled 'Model Muslim' - you would be right to protest strongly and I would support you in that. 2- If one person addressed the cawrah issue - the matter has been addressed Islamically. There is no reason to pile on unless that appeals to your ego. I would sincerely advise you if one person has addressed these sorts of issues - there is no need for you to add your 2 cents. And as a general rule if you feel you need to speak out every time you see fawaxish in this world(and you will do so constantly in this world) - you have lost the focus that you should devote to yourself for your own soul's sake. 3- The last time there was a Somali soccer event posted - did you comment on the fact that thighs and knees were shown in pics and thus men's cawrahs? Did you admonish them about their cawrahs etc? I doubt it. The reality is there is a feeding frenzy when a Somali female without hijab appears in pics on these forums. While respecting and agreeing with you that that is cawrah I would request of all sincere Muslims to refrain from piling on if one person has posted the islamic viewpoint on it. It isn't NECEESARY.

^You and Taleexi are spoiling this thread. There is no history to contest. The only book mentioned was Animal Farm. Literature is what is being distributed not history. Good for the kids and good for literacy among Somalis.

^It never will. Moody's has too much at stake to not make nice with the US govt. Besides - they will get the debt ceiling thing resolved one way or another unless the rightwing nutty Republicans have lost all sense completely. I'm not sure why the Business section was terminated a while back while the Jokes section which almost nobody goes into is still around. Odd.

It's not a complicated thing to understand. While agreeing that Islam commands women to cover up - it's not necessary to comment every single time when a Somali woman who doesn't cover up is shown or discussed. It REALLY isn't necessary.

^I think Jacpher is more right than you are willing to accept. First off - you don't have to like every aspect of your job but you should be passionate about helping people. Which is what nursing is all about. If you are passionate about helping people it will let you deal with the inevitable difficult and annoying folks. But if you aren't passionate about helping ppl everything will be a burden and that attitude will show itself to all patients. Secondly - you need to have a lot of patience and dulqaad. We all know people who think it's a burden if you ask them for a glass of milk out of the fridge and folks who will drive you to the ends of the earth or who think nothing of feeding 20 of your friends at a moment's notice. Please - please - if you''re the former do not go into nursing or other fields where you are dealing with human beings. Become a web developer or an author instead. I understand some of the difficulties of being a nurse stem from institutional cuts that expect a reduced number of nurses to do more work. But the 2 points above remain - I wish there was some way to screen nursing wannabes for those 2 criteria - it would make everyone happier. I'm not sure why you're still against the idea of the patient as a customer. Clearly a 'customer' isn't always right in this setting - as in going against medical advice although that is a still one's choice at the end of the day. But the customer is in fact right when they're able bodied and they ask for seemingly 'superflous' requests such hand me the remote or sit me up - what they really want is attention and companionship. And this is part of good mental health - have you done your job fully if the patient is physically healed but felt like a non-entity while in your care?? In these 'superflous' situations - you have 3 choices - ignore them, go in there with a pissy attitude and perform the requests coldly, or do what you can as pleasantly as possible and if extremely busy promise to come by when things quiet down to chat and check up on the patient. Sad to say most nurses I have seen fall into the first 2 categories. Additionally - you talked about education and that some pts are not educated about nurses - that's part of your job quite frankly. As you go about your duties you should strive to tell patients where and what the boundaries for everyone's sake. This is a pipe dream - but I wish there was some form that every patient filled out to evaluate the doctors and nurses. This is taxpayer dollars. You must be held accountable and those health professionals particularly nurses who do an exceptional job should be financially rewarded.

Seriously - how many different social media can any one person follow? Soon you will have a social media compiler and you can get all your tweets, facebook, myspace etc in one medium.

^Nursing is not like working at Walmart or being an accountant. You're dealing with sick, ailing, stressed out ppl and their families. Your patience and tolerance must necessarily be sky-high. If you're going to be offended or pissed off in these situations regularly - maybe nursing isn't the best career for you(not you specifically). I'm not saying one should tolerate the intolerable but you have to be able to cope and then gently inform your patients what and where the boundaries are. From personal experience - I find too many nurses have become desensitized and utterly lack any raxmad or sit at the nursing stations and just chitchat away when the call button is ringing or when patients actually need them. I'm not sure I see a huge difference between a customer and patient. At the end of the day - you want both of them to leave healthy and happy with the service provided. Clearly nurses aren't paid enough to be personal maids to patients but then you can still view the patient as a customer without necessarily being slavish.

I hope they release this guy soon but his case isn't helped by bombast such as this: 'Mr. Boston is braving the harsh realities in one of Somalia’s most notorious concentration camps'

^Because this is still a culture that has different standards for men/women. It can be a little strange. Good for her though I don't know if she put the bit about 'first in the western world' or the author took his own license. Whoever did is a punk.

You made a valuable contribution to the site. All the best with your retirement.

^Same difference black/AA - I meant non Somali blacks. Yeah - your answer is pretty much right and self explanatory. But when you see with your own eyes how bad things are in the ghetto and then willingly associate yourself with that when there are opportunities for getting out and despite the fact that you have your own culture, religion and history. That is where the earlier point about a severe moral decline in Somali communities becomes self-evident.

^And your point is? I can judge whomever I want - if the shoe fits. I love these folks who make silly arguments about 'don't judge others' as if one's opinion is circumscribed by not offending others or by simply telling the truth. Or as is in this case 'don't judge lest ye be judged' - go ahead judge Somalia - it's a failed state and is in a worse situation than Arab countries. Happy now? This topic is about Arab Madams and maid abuse - if you are unable to make a judgement about whether this behaviour is right or wrong and its toleration by respective governements - then make way for folks who have the moral cojones. I don't subscribe to Arab bashing but nor am I going to condone wrong behaviour in some misguided sense that they are our brothers or that we share a religion etc.

Malika;731235 wrote: I personally found the comment about having black babies as a sign of erotion of moral/spiritually in the community rather ugly comment.. ps. It was racist comment and I stood by my interpretation of it. An ugly comment but a reality. That (some)Somalis would aspire to emulate and copulate with a group that for a host of reasons is in the lowest category of human development in the States and Canada with sky high levels of drug abuse, out of wedlock births, incarceration rates, absentee fathers, etc etc. says a lot about how low Somalis have come. We have a different language, religion, culture and history to almost every other group in the West - but we've chosen disproportionately to identify with blacks. Why?

The article describes a factual phenomenon. That Arab countries have done next to nothing to prevent these abuses says quite a lot about them and their level of 'islaanimo' even if a minority of people are actually doing the abuse.

It's a strange situation. The same applies in Canada though with much less racism and more opportunities than Australia. These countries say they want 'skilled' immigrants and yet do everything to put up road blocks for these immigrants finding employment. Why not simply take unskilled immigrants if all these skilled immigrants end up doing that unskilled work? Dr Abdirahman Kulmiye is a newcomer to the group, but his story is all too typical. A highly erudite marine scientist in his late 40s, Kulmiye arrived in Australia in early 2007 with high hopes of landing a professional job. This is a man who should get a job in any country with a coastline – let alone one surrounded by sea. His CV (undoctored, he stresses) includes long periods with the UN’s Food and Agriculture Organisation and three years as Chief Technical Adviser at Somalia’s Ministry of Fisheries. But after dozens of applications for scientific and research postings, and not one letter of reply, a dejected Kulmiye sent a note back to his old colleagues in Africa – and was immediately offered a job by Vétérinaires sans Frontières. Despondent and running low on money, he eventually took up a consultancy with the Swiss NGO. “The main reason I haven’t been able to get a job in Australia is that employers want to see local work experience before they’ll give you any themselves,” says Kulmiye. “I don’t really understand this endless focus on local experience, especially if you’ve managed international projects at the highest level. Why doesn’t anyone pay any attention to that?”

I'm not sure that model works as well as claimed. Let's see if they will be able to fund their welfare state in the future as the proportion of the elderly increases and immigration is kept at low levels. 'Solidarity'? I think the Swedish born children of immigrants in urban ghettoes would have something to say about that. And the fact that speaking perfect Swedish and knowing the culture hasn't helped them to land jobs. I would also question the level of entreprenuership being high - when most of the working age population is employed by the government, almost necessarily a bureaucracy - how much risk taking and independant thinking can really be fostered? Islam appeals to public well-being in a radically different way than the mandatory high tax regimes in Scandanavia. I'm not sure that one ought to be substituted for the other even though the end goal may be the same. Overall - this model has a lot to offer but we as Muslims have got our own models(sadly all theory currently) that we should strive for.

Ngonge - I'm not sure there is any answer that would satisfy you. My sense is that the support for Farmajo stems more from his character and hopes for future accomplishments rather than what he acheived in his short tenure. Most people saw a level of competency, personal integrity and a geniune desire to move the ball forward in Somalia that had not been exhibited by any former high official of the TFG. Two other factors have also helped his 'popularity'. The fact he was pressured by outside powers(nothing unites Somalis faster than foreign meddling) and the fact that expectations of the TFG are at rock bottom - S/P Land admins look like veritable giants in comparison.

^How did you come that conclusion? Good luck to Eritreans. Don't see much good that Afwerki is doing right now but it is better than having nothing.

First off - so long as Somalia is in the state that it is in - there is nothing to talk about for either side. But I'm delighted to see some folks are willing to at least talk about non-secessionist alternative once Somalia gets its act together. Second - there is a big difference between the TFG strategy vs Somaliland and Somaliland's strategy vs SSC. One is just empty talk and idle threats and the other is actual military action against civilian populations. The two cannot be compared. I think most Somalis wouldn't have a problem with secession for the core area in Somaliland provided other regions were given a chance to join the union. But most die hard Somalilanders won't accept anything less than the borders of British Somaliland regardless of the wishes of certain populations. That is also another telling difference. All in all - whatever happens in Somalia - there won't be a return to strong centralized rule that usurps power to Mogadishu. In my opinion - that was a key motivation behind the secession entreprise. A motivation which seems moot given the political realities in Somalia today. The question going forward is how to ensure responsible and representative regional governments that work to strengthen the country as a whole.

So much wasted potential.

Talk about poor(or good) timing for the Somaliland delegate! Photoshop my foot!

Not only pirates – Somali hoops 26/04/10 22:09 Kris Santiago Somalia is primarily known these days for its pirates and the lack of a government to most of the world. Basketball seems not to be associated in any way with the Eastern African country located at the Horn of Africa. When I first searched for players that originated from Somalia, I found a refugee who studied and played ball in the Midwest of the United States. After securing an interview for Africabasket.com with him, he later mailed me to take the interview off the web as he feared that his family back home in Somalia could be threatened by reprisals. As you can see, getting a better inside look into Somali hoops seems to be a tough task even nowadays with the World Wide Web being a big help. When talking about notable players emerging out of Somalia, then you have to talk about guys like Yaseen Musa, Salah Abdo and Saeed Kosar who all succeeded to put their country's flag on the basketball map in different ways. While Musa and Kosar are both on the Qatari national-team, Abdo is on the way to be a future pro player while attending college in the United States. As Somalia does not provide stable competition within the country, most players are leaving the country towards other nations like Egypt, Yemen and primarily Qatar. Yaseen Musa has been a household name in Middle-eastern basketball for years but only a few know that he is originally from Somalia. The lanky forward even applied for the NBA Draft a couple of years back but went undrafted and played also in a US minor league before settling back to Qatar where he is still star of the local league. Just check out the link to the video above! Another Somali professional basketball player is Saeed Kosar who nowadays goes by his Qatari name Saad Abdulrahman Ali. The 1,93 meters-tall forward grew up in Canada where he excelled in high school hoops and later also at Algonquin College under the eyes of coach Trevor Costello who calls Saeed and his brother Abdul "tremendous players with excellent basketball smarts". Kosar, who moved to Qatar in 2002 after graduating from college, represented then in 2004 the Qatari U-20 national-team since he had no chance to represent Somalia as there was virtually no national-team program and there is still none up to this day. Nowadays, the 1980-born is a regular fixture on the senior national-team of Qatar and in the starting five of his club-team AS Sadd for who he competed for in almost all of his years in the Qatari league. His younger brother Abdul is a standout at Algonquin College these days as the 1,88 meters forward is following in the big foot steps of Saeed. In twenty games played, the sophomore averaged 11,5 points per game and 4,5 rebounds per game for the Thunder who finished the season with 15 wins and five losses. Once he graduates, he could be heading over to the Gulf region as well to join his brother to form a formidable one-two punch in the league and maybe even in the national-team of Qatar. Point guard Salah Abdo struggled through injuries early in his career and is now back to full speed at tiny Trinity College in Connecticut. I found a great story that tells more about his struggles and how he sees himself as a role model for young Somalis around the globe. Abdo, who enrolled for a year at New Hampshire in the NCAA Division 1 ranks, could have strong 2010-2011 season to follow the few players out of his country into the Middle East to play professionally. But he is not the only one in his family who fell in love with the sport. Abdo also pointed me into a new direction. Better: To a new face on the block. Osman Olol, a cousin of Salah, is currently enrolled at Monroe Community College in the state of New York. Being a six foot nine inches tall forward, Olol should be receiving already some looks by NCAA D1 colleges who are in the need of a post player as he displayed his raw talent this first year by averaging 6,2 points per game in only 16 minutes per game. If given a chance, he might resurface in a solid program with more playing time available for him. There is some Somali talent hidden across the globe with strong ties to the country of its ancestors. But with the current situation being pretty unstable in their home-country, the Somali diaspora won't be given a chance anytime soon to defend the colors of their country in international competition. With the country’s lack of environment there is no chance of seeing a home-grown national-team and the near future of the sport in Somalia looks more than dim these days. Maybe it's up to the next generation of players that will be growing up elsewhere and may remember it roots, to lead a new financially-backed project into a possible qualifier to the African Championships in a couple of years from now. Only time will tell… http://www.talkbasket.net/blogs/not-only-pirates-somali-hoops-2998.html

^Didn't know there was that contradiction. Maybe they have different degrees of murder. This seems to me a crime of passion so to speak. I'm not for the death penalty in that case. Islam also makes allowances for accidents and the like. If this was a crime with malice aforethought - I don't have any problems with the death penaltly. 7 years is not a joke but ultimately no one can give you real justice only Allah. So I'm not sure what the outrage is going to accomplish. The same with giving them 50 years as opposed to 20 years or some such figure. Abu - even if alchohol wasn't involved the prime cause of this crime was anger/revenge. You can't legislate that away.

^I think 15 years would be more appropriate. But it's all arbitrary. What is acheived anyway by increasing the sentence? Is another 10 years going to cause the criminal to do more soul searching, 'pay' for his crime, what? I've never been a fan of long prison terms. It seems pointless.