Showqi;830539 wrote: Sideey ku dhacday in ay dowlad goboleedka Puntland saxeexdo wixii loogu tala galay in ay saxeexdo dowlada dhexe ee Somalia? Is Puntland a Regional government of Somalia or is Puntland a separate country from Somalia??? This is the time that President Sheekh Shariif needs to get up and do his Job. Sheekh Shariif needs to stop this clowns with interacting with other countries on behave of Somalia. I rally think that Faroole is screwing Sheekh Shariif here a big time:mad::mad: There is a weak central government that is preoccupied by many things not least it's own survival and extension of its mandate. Should that mean that every region in Somalia remain in the current stagnation/lack of progress or should organized regions be able to pursue an agenda in the interests of all Somalis? Of course yes. Mise sheekada waa a isla wada harno? The only question worth asking here is - is this in the interest of Somalia? - I would argue yes. Faroole should have informed the president and PM and possibly invited them along. But he is not into sharing the limelight - most politicians aren't - and Somalis are even worse as a lot. BTW - federal regions of other countries do go overseas and sign agreements - clearly within the limits of their powers but still.

I'm not sure why the same folks keep bringing the same topics re believers are slow, Islam is pre-modern etc. Not sure what the point is of this type of frequent contribution.

^I think some folks wanted clarification on the clause rather than going for a big fuss. But you wouldn't give them a word in edgewise. The whole residency process (Kafala) is unislamic - in that it isn't fair or just and it is abusive. One the person is essentially bound to their employer who frequently confiscates their passport and if they are fired they must exit the country regardless of their situation. This system is open to and is abused a lot - a simple internet search would show this. Luckily for Nuune - I haven't kept up with the ins and outs of Emirati citizenship laws but granting citizenship to children of female Emiratis was a very recent development - November 2011 decree here: http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/children-of-emirati-mothers-expatriate-fathers-offered-citizenship And the UAE is the only gulf state to do this. In what version of Islam is denying a female citizen's children citizenship justified for those other countries? As to the whole minority issue - people can and do become great naturalized citizens many times outdoing the natives in their contribution to their adopted homeland. If an Egytian who speaks the Arabic language, knows the culture, is a Muslim emigrates to the UAE- why if they're successful should an Emirati fear granting him or her citizenship. What threat would this person pose? It's all about keeping the privileges of citizenship to a small native population and rank xenophobia. Of course it's their choice Nuune - but that's not saying anything - as if their choice is neutral and harmless to a would be immigrant. Blessed - residents build their own schools because the government won't fund them and the government has only a desire to use their labour for the short term and then dispensing with them afterwards. It's not a choice to build their own schools - they have to since sooner or later they're going back 'home'.

nuune;825718 wrote: I would use the UAE model of citinzenship, very strict, call us racists or whatever, but UAE survived with that law regardless whether they are minority in their country or not. Horrific, barbaric, unislamic system in the UAE and most of the Arab world. An Emirati woman can't give her children citizenship if married to a 'foreigner'. Waligeed Somalia saas yena noqon. I met an old reer waqooyi man there a few years ago who used to be a driver and general aide for the top Emiratis including members of the Royal Family and he was getting kicked out after 40 years and was scrambling to get himself an iqama with a Somali business. What a waste. Ngonge going overboard with his repetitive obstinancy but I agree with him. The only thing is the Mexicans to the west could be a threat given the sparse population of Somalia - they're the only folks I worry about with regard to this.

^Draft can be interpreted in many ways. I mean the new constitution should be exactly like 1960 with clauses removing centralization and adding decentralization.

What was it that was said about Palestinians - they never miss an opportunitiy to miss an opporutunity. We never miss an opportunity to engage in pointless debate and hoo-haa. Actually the TFG would have been better served to use the 1960 constitution as the basis forward with the only change being the country is now federal and power is decentralized. Rather we get this waste of itme.

Abwaan;825315 wrote: D lol....Xiinfaniin, reerku waa dimoqoraadi oo hal dheg iyo il wax kuma maqlaan. 18-ka gobol ee aad sheegeyso ayaa caddaalad darro ka billaabatay. Sheekadii Jariiban nin demagada uga dhigtay si uu kursi u helo ayaad moodda inaysan dadku fahmayn waxa ka jira...haddii aad rabtid inaa tiraahdo reer baa Isbaaro dhiganaya soo dhab ma noqonayso in 1978-kii ciddii dowladda ka hortimid dad magacyo u sameeyeen iyana ay noqonayaan wixii lagu tilmaamay? Iyo inay qaran dumis noqdeen, ma noqonayso inay dhabiobeyso, waa markii loo fekero caqliga ah reer hebel baa saan ah oo weliba lama oranayo goormaa qaran-jacaylku ku soo duxay....taas waa iga tilmaan in dad la is wada raaciyo ma fiicna, oo Horta aan talo ku siiyo, caqliga generalizationku ma fiicna. Reerkan aad igu xaglinayso Qullaten waa ka badan yihiin haddii aad murtida taqaannid...Waxaan kugu raacsanahay in gobollada Bari iyo Mudug dad Soomaalinnimadu ku weyn tahay ay deggan yihiin laakiin ha iga dhaadhicin kulligeen Asharaaf baan nahay. Sheekadaan aad SOL iskugu nacamlaysaan ee wixii xunba Xaawaa leh iska daaya meeshaanna Goof cidi ku kulanto ayaad ka dhigteen ee naga daaya, Somaliaonline on line baa na soo jiidatey ee aan ka run-sheegno, haddii kale nagu kala wada. Waxaan qabaa qofkii isna iska dhaadhiciya Mudug iyo Bari baan xaqirayaa inta aan xaqdarro ka doodayo taasna ma soconayso...enough dagaal with qoryo, enough dhiig, let us move on. Xamar halloo duceeyo, guryihii hallagu noqdo, adinkuna guryihii Boosaaso dadka u oggolaada lol.. Mise waxaad leedihiin Eyl baa Xamar ka weyn oo ka dad badan, wax walba meeshaan waan ka akhriyey runtiina waxaan u yaabaa dadka waxaas tun moodaya. Muuse Suudi, wax uusan Faroole hallayn ma hallayn, the difference is mid baa calan gaar ah leh roog guduudanna dhulka loo dhigaa ee labadaba banooniga dhulka dhiga halla dhaho. Muuse shalay dagaal ooge ayuu ahaa oo magac beel iyo koox buu watey, maantana Soomaalinnimo ayuu ka hadlayaa that is an improvement, laakiin waxaa ayaandarro ah in Faroolihii la is lahaa wuu dhaamayaa uu sidaad aragtay u hadlo adiga iyo beeshuna aad la duuban tihiin...Maxaad Muuse ula yaabaysaan haddii aan waxba la is dhaamin....before you take me back to Xamar iyo 20 years....Xamar waxay la degi weydey Soomaali oo dhan baa damac kaga jiraa unlike degmooyinka yaryar ee dadka Soomaaliyeed kala degaan. Aan Soo koobee dalkaani Soomaali oo dhan waa wada deeqaa, nagana badan, adna ha isku deyin inaad i xaqirto anna ku xaqiri maayo. I'm not sure why you can't make your point without reference to beel this and beel that and waa leedihiin or other malayacni?

Why is there such a fuss about rejection and spoilers? There will be a vote by the Isimida coming to Mog - presumably they represent their clans. If they find the constitution not to their liking they can have their say then. All that is needed is a clear draft of the constitution and those opposing to state what articles they are opposing and how they would change it. It's time to attempt for a constructive way forward rather than this.

It's the rainy season - everyone is leaving. "Kenya iyo Xulufadooda oo Qooqaani ka cararay,Roobab Maasheeyay saldhigyadii cadawga Mujaahidiint" http://somalimemo.net/index.php/component/content/article/1-warar/1137--kenya-iyo-xulufadooda-oo-qooqaani-ka-cararayroobab-maasheeyay-saldhigyadii-cadawga-mujaahidiint-oo

Malika;820302 wrote: ^The so called artist claims to be speaking for the millions of 'genital mutilated black women of Africa' - what does he know about it - is the question. All he did was act ****** and more so self hating .. Sad to see a black man participating is this abhorrence. LOL - you're taking it a bit hard. He is a moron and this is in poor taste. But it is only a cake. FGM shouud be our battle - sadly most campaigns against it are sensationalized.

LOL. It is world art after all.

Nice. You should've made the title first Somali pro basketball player. The ladies have won this crown despite lanky Somali guys obsession with bb-ball.

^Why only them? Nidaam iyo horumar is a great day for all Somalis.

I'm not sure the word 'small' things should be used. The point should be that one needs to keep in mind the comprehensive basis of the religion instead of reducing it to specific prohibited things.

^Yeah - Arch - I think you won't much useful info online. Can only be found face to face. And even then - not sure how reliable that info would be. Somalida like to boast and exaggerate.

Nice. Couldn't find anything about why they chose Somali for the name.

Sad story. The family dynamic is very odd though - the behaviour of the brother, the sisters and the parents themselves strike as me as extremely strange. Many ppl may have gotten lost in this way.

'No one else can do this for us' Kadra Koulmiye, 37, was the sole caregiver, biggest cheerleader and inspiration to her four sons. When she died of cancer two weeks ago, the brothers were left to make it on their own. By Shelley, Ottawa Citizen April 14, 2012 Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/else+this/6458435/story.html#ixzz1sPkj8di6 The photo was supposed to capture a sweet slice of a late-summer road trip to an amusement park. But when Kadra Koulmiye saw the image of herself in front of a man-made waterfall at Canada's Wonderland, flanked by two of her four boys, her eyes went to her belly. "Why do I look so fat?" she asked her eldest son. Taib, 19, also noticed the swelling of her abdomen. Ever practical, he offered to go with his mom to the Merivale YMCA, where they often worked out together, to do some extra stomach crunches. But she confessed she was so very tired. "Us brothers, we could all think of so many reasons why she would be tired," Taib recalls. On school days, their mother rose at 5 a.m. to make their breakfasts and lunches before going to the first of her two jobs. She was a beloved educational assistant at Churchill Alternative School, and worked at a group home in the evening. Between shifts, she tutored six-year-old Bilal to give him a leg up. She worked the two jobs to afford the rent on a townhouse near Carlingwood Shopping Mall, and the many after-school activities she insisted her sons do to stay out of trouble, stay healthy, achieve. Of course she was tired. The fatigue became intractable, as her stomach grew. She developed a chronic cough that one doctor said was pneumonia. Then, on Dec. 23, Taib was called to the Queensway-Carleton Hospital, where he found his mom folded over in pain in a wheelchair. Doctors ordered diagnostic tests and then tried to send her home. She insisted she stay. That night, a tumour in her abdomen ruptured. Kadra Koulmiye, 37, sole caregiver, biggest cheerleader, inspiration to and proudest mama of Taib, Tyler, 18, Jamal, 12, and little Bilal, had Stage 4 gastric cancer that had spread to her lungs. Taib was there when the blow was delivered. "I will never forget that she didn't ask about herself. She asked what this would mean for us. She asked who would take care of us? She asked how we would get by without her?" It was truly a mother's worst nightmare: the fear that she might not be there to see them grow up, or help them grow up. Kadra's boys had many difficult questions of their own. Some were basic: How would they pay rent? Buy food and gas and pay for football and soccer, school supplies and field trips? However, the hardest questions were of the heart, asked in the moments when these four boys feared she wouldn't survive and they would be lost. Who would love them? How would they grow up to be the impressive men their mother hoped they would be? - Taib and Tyler believed their mother's "survival instinct" would clobber the cancer. She was the human embodiment, Taib says, "of where there is a will, there's a way." She'd taught her four boys how to take care of themselves, in large part, because she'd had to fend for herself when she was young. Kadra was from a wealthy Somali family that lived in Dire Dawa, Ethiopia. When she was around 12, she and her younger sister were sent to Canada with their older brother in search of a better education. While in Ottawa, though, their brother learned he was terminally ill. He placed his sisters with the Children's Aid Society and left for Africa to die alone. He never told their mother where the girls were. All family ties were severed and the sisters were lost to their family. Abandoned to foster care, they did not find opportunities greater than they would have had in Ethiopia. Kadra was still a teenager when she met the man with whom she would have four sons. When the relationship ended she raised the boys on her own, determined to give them all she'd never had. Before she fell ill it seemed that she would. Taib, in second-year at Carleton University, studies political science. He paid for most of his school through awards, bursaries, loans and a part-time job as a clerk. Thoughtful, soft-spoken and responsible, he is the man of the house. But it is a role he shares with Tyler, a year younger. Tyler's top marks at Nepean High School earned him a full scholarship to the University of Ottawa, where he takes conflict studies and human rights. Like Taib, he played football and also earned a black belt in karate. He tutors learning-disabled students. Lanky Jamal, mature beyond his years, is in middle French immersion at D. Roy Kennedy Public School and plays the bass and football. Bilal, with an infectious and toothless smile, plays soccer and steals hearts. Kadra insisted on strong morals and good judgment. "She always told us, 'Have friends that will make you better. And, if they need your help, be there to raise them up but don't hang out with people that bring you down,'" Taib says. She would take on more work to give her boys opportunities, like when Tyler was earning his black belt. She also expected much from her boys. Taib and Tyler cared for their younger brothers by picking them up after school and taking them to practices and playgrounds. They pitched in to cook and clean. By all accounts they are good boys. "She did a wonderful job raising them," says her friend, realestate agent Cheryl Brouse. "They hug each other to say 'hello,' they are so polite and decent, hard working." Last fall, Brouse recalls sitting with Kadra watching their boys play football. "She talked about how much she loved them. How she would do anything for them. Then the cancer." - As Kadra's younger sister arrived from Ajax to help the boys, parents in the Churchill school community prepared meals, bought groceries, gave rides to practice, raised money to cover rent and gas. Taib calls them "angels." "Every time I think what they have done for us I get so emotional. I don't know any of these people. They have been the biggest blessing of my life." With practical worries taken care of they focused on their mom. At her strongest, Kadra danced with Bilal down the hospital hallways, laughing and singing, sharing her hospital Jell-O, while shielding her sons from crippling "pain crises." "In her heart, I think she thought she was going to die," Taib says. Whenever the older boys expressed hope, she urged them to be "realistic." She coached them on how to keep the house functioning and care for Jamal and Bilal. She reminded them to eat healthy and make school their highest priority. She asked Tyler, "Can you promise me you won't get angry with the world if I'm gone?" - In early March, Kadra's breathing became laboured. Her lungs were like hallways, ever narrowing. Her sharp mind dulled and she confused easily. Chemotherapy had not stopped the spread. The cancer was in her brain. Taib and Tyler finally understood their mother was dying. "I told her I loved her as much as I could," Taib says. Kadra's sister moved mountains to bring their elderly mother to Ottawa. They had reconnected a few years earlier after finding relatives in Toronto. Kadra was barely conscious when her mother, who she had not seen in 30 years, arrived to embrace her long-lost daughter. But she made it. Little Bilal, too, came to say goodbye. Say Taib: "I didn't want to take the chance away from him to see her. When we were leaving, I said, 'Give mama a kiss.'" He sent Jamal in by himself. "I told him that, even though she is asleep right now, she can still hear you. And he told her everything he ever wanted to say." She died the next day, Saturday, March 17. - Taib confesses he is overwhelmed. He talks of meeting lawyers, insurance adjusters, social workers, teachers and school administrators. He and Tyler, who have maintained full course loads, must take exams and write papers that were deferred. Sadness infuses everything. "Our biggest challenge is dealing with our grief and not knowing how to," Taib says quietly. "We have so many emotions and we don't know if they are the right emotions or the wrong emotions. "I feel like my life could explode because mom did everything and now it's up to me." Tyler says they try to wrap the younger boys in their mother's lingering love. They have Bilal say 'Good morning' to their mother, and at night he tells her about his day. There are still significant unknowns, especially around where the boys will live, and how they will support themselves. Parents and staff from Churchill and D. Roy Kennedy schools have set up a trust fund to help with immediate costs, and maybe even help send Kadra's two youngest to university one day. So far $10,900 has been raised, while raffles and bake sales are planned. The boys' grandmother, on a sixmonth visa, is getting to know her grandsons. "She tells us that she saw her daughter for only two days, but at least she left four pieces of her." Four sons. Four brothers. Four lost boys. Taib pulls out the picture of his mother from last August, the one that hinted at all that would happen. He looks at it hard before asking more piercing questions. "How is anyone else going to ever know us the way our mom did? How is anyone ever going to love us the way our mom did? How is anyone going to care for us the way our mom did? I don't want to trap myself into this negative thinking, but the truth is no one else can do this for us." To find out more about the trust fund set up for the boys, go to http: //kadra-koulmiye.ca HOW YOU CAN HELP Parents and staff from Churchill and D. Roy Kennedy schools have set up a trust fund for the sons of Kadra Koulmiye. So far $10,900 has been raised. For more information and to donate, go to http: //kadra-koulmiye.ca

^It doesn't he indicate he died as a result of the suicide attack. AUN.

Does it matter? PL is 6/3 of Somalia or whatever. PL is the sun and the moon of Somalia. Yada yada yada. If you think it all ridiculous - why bother with responses and back and forth. That says more about you than the claim being made.

1- I don't think it matters as long as all constitutencies have a say. With the messed up 4.5 system as it is - can anyone claim they are not represented? 2- That would be nice. But who has consulted with anyone. Has Faroole gone to Bacadwayn and Caluula and consulted with his ppl? Has the Shariif gone and consulted with his folks? This is Africa. There is little to no consulting. Just ppl who supposedly represent their regions/clans. You work with what you have. Relevant parties should speak to their representative and voice their concerns and issues. Pointless bacaac isn't going to cut it. 3- Yes. But then no one said this constitutution is set in stone. It can and should change in the future once Somalis have a real say in their government. We're not there yet. We're trying to find a working arrangment. The process is far from perfect. But it is the same process that brought us the TFG. It is a means to an end. Eventually most reasonable people hope that Somalia moves to a better system. But to oppose without bringing up any relevant clauses that you oppose or any sensible arguments as to the real problems you have or any alternatives to what you see as a problem is to my mind wilfull obstruction and qas. And that is hardly in short supply in Somalia now or in the last 20 years. Beats me why they're rushing with the constitution - maybe the international community is behind the whole thing. Better Carafaat. Much better than your earlier cantrabaqash.

^Funny you presume Faroole will leave wllingly. Unless a war breaks out - that man is going nowhere.

Carafaat;814743 wrote: a Constitution should be for the people by the people. Their democratic elected leaders should be involed during this process. TFG has not even moved beyond Muqdisho, many parts are still in war with Al Shabaab. the people were not involed in this process of drafting nor is this the time to draft a constitution. therefor a piece written by individuals who were not democraticly elected can not draft document that is shared by all people. therefor is not considered xalaal by me and many others. no need for anger or name calling adeer. See Xiin's response. The basis for this constitution is the same as for the TFG. You can't be for the TFG on governance and then against it on the constitutional process. There was no anger or name calling. Just a put up or shut up post. And quite frankly you haven't put up much in the way of an argument.

^Maybe the part that doesn't recognize his delusion!

^Whatever my 'clan agenda' may be - the only agenda that should be pertinent to you is taking a gander at fleshing out what you posted - 'this constitution xalaal maha, its a product of corruption, nepotism and clan politics. Just like all other policies Faroole is promoting in Somalia.' Barring a response on this line - I would suggest your immediate agenda should be to scurry back with the tail between your legs.