^I don't get it. What makes a political entity that is capable of holding a referundum? There is no recognized state of Somaliland as was the case with Serbia & Montenegro(a title officially designated to the country in international recognition of its two constituent parts). So that means that the state as officially exists is one state, Somalia. So if 51%+ of Somalis voted(in the future, of course) in Somalia that no region/territory may secede - will Somalilanders accept that? And what if Sool/Sanag held a referundum wanting to secede from Somaliland and rejoin Somalia - would Somalilanders accept that? I doubt anyone has full answers to those questions. I think the situation in Somalia/Somalliand is more complicated than the one implied by Montenegro.

^Lineage of 'Isa? How - when we know that he was unmarried? You mean al-'Imran - the house of his family - yeah, there probably are descendants but I question anyone who claims it for themselves? I also question those who claim descent from the Prophet(PBUH) - please. The Prophet himself has warned against those who exalt their lineage.

Trousers? It's pants - it's an American saying! Trousers sounds so gay

Originally posted by Castro: Now, the article didn't say Somalis were anymore criminal than anyone else for that would be a blatant lie. Per capita, Somalis in the UK wouldn't even register on the radar of violent or petty crime. But in "recent years, Somalis have been connected with some of the most high-profile murders in Britain". Well who the fcuk is doing the "connecting"? And who is putting the spotlight on the community? What do they stand to gain from showing the community to be violent and ill-adjusted to life in the UK? Spot on Castro. The reporting of the facts is done in a vacuum. What immigrant/ethnic group is responsible for the majority of crimes? What crimes are we talking about - property crimes or crimes against other people? All sorts of things were omitted on purpose or failed to be mentioned to lend context to that article. Worst of all was the statement of that foolish spokesman. Rageh Omar - the only role model?!?!?! Saying that, he just shat on all of the ordinary hardworking Somalis who entered the country as immigrants, went to school, did well for themselves, support their families and act as real flesh and blood role models for their siblings and other members of the Somali community. Additionally, why didn't he highlight successful Somalis and point them out - at the end of the day, Somalis are not some alien criminal species - we have good and bad in us. Given the slant of this article(criminality of Somalis) that so called spokesman should've stepped up to lend balance to that article. :mad:

^Have to agree with XulaXu - there really isn't much for us to complain about as Muslims - the author had stated it was a work of fiction(as Muslims know the Jesus allegation to be). But I found much in the book truthful about how the Church dogma came about. And personally, thought the book was overhyped - I felt let down after I read it.

Good article Northerner

^Progress is progress - if there was nothing before and now 4 building - then good progress. Frankly, I find some of the comments strange - ain't no one claiming that is a world class city - they're just noting progress in a particular city in Somalia

Originally posted by hodman: K'naan is amazing and whoever thinks he sucks is just a hater :mad: But, dear, don't you know - hating is Somalis chief stock in trade

^^^Bill Maher is a funny bstard but he annoys me with his narrow minded and selfish opinions - haven't seen him since Politically Incorrect which was very funny

^Yes - absolutely wierd - I mean who gets born in Burco for God's sake

^Sorry alien! I meant McGill! It sounds like you go to Concordia. So which side you on? Palestinian vs Israeli?! What is up with Montreal and controversy at universities? :confused:

^I would run the other way too if I saw an alien. Where have you been - under a rock? - there was a big ruckus at McGill about their denying the Muslims' a place to pray - now the student's have to pray in the halls.

Originally posted by Jamilah: On the outset Mundine may appear to be the underdog with both his indigenous Australian background and Islamic identity. But his confidence and self-determination dispels such a notion.Critics consider Mundine an immodest man, but when given the opportunity subsequent to his spectacular victory Mundine praised Allah for his blessings and despite his dominance in the ring throughout the match he deemed Green a worthy opponent. Now - why can't he add modesty to his praise for Allah? BTW - Aboriginal? - I see 2 whites - maybe in aboriginal in name only!

^It means(presumably) that he's kool like dat! If it was just plain old Kaynan or Kainan - it would get a big 'HUH' from the avg whitie. But with the apostrophe - Watch Out!

Originally posted by Animal Farm: I wouldn’t worry thou, most of the people on SOL know each other outside of SOL, I would say majority of them. You’re among good people I wouldn’t worry. Is this place that incestous?! Should I be checking over my shoulder for ppl I have offended! :eek:

^the bloody ridiculous apostrophe in his name annoys me

^Cheesy topic. If you wanna get to know em - just tell your eedo and she will arrange a wedding - then you'll get to know all and I mean ALL .

^I would add - Ataturk and inferiority complex

^Damn - after all that. Sucks. Well at least you have only yourself to look for. I'm looking for a new place but for the whole family - brother, sisters, and parents. And all of their wishes and desires have to be taken into account. It's turning out to be a big headache. Hopefully, God will lead us into the perfect digs(at an unbelievably low price!) soon. I'm tired of looking.

Originally posted by Xarago: It is not my cut and paste that annoys huuno.....the fact that this is in the open irks you...... I just wonder what else goes on in that hood. :confused: A crime is a crime and should be exposed - I don't have a problem with that - and given what Somalis have done in their country there are many such tales. My point is it would be nice to have someone with a Somaliland avatar posting something positive about the rest of the country. My perception is that happens too few times. I could very well be wrong about that. The other thing: motives matter. If the poster was posting this tragedy in order to boast that their area/region is too good to allow that to happen or to highlight the negatives about other parts of the country then - one naturally tends to take their postings with a grain of salt. I'm certainly not accusing the original poster of that - but my perception has been that ardent Somaliland proponents are more likely to have the aforementioned motives. Again, I could very well be wrong. Those are my personal views over the course of several months on SOL.

^appalling of course. But then I don't expect someone's whose avatar is the Somaliland flag to post positive things about the rest of the country. Generally speaking.

^And the Saga continues: ------------------------------------------------ Verdonk Forced To Reconsider Hirsi Ali Decision THE HAGUE, 18/05/06 - The Lower House has forced Aliens Affairs Minister Rita Verdonk to reconsider her decision to withdraw Ayaan Hirsi Ali's Dutch nationality. A new decision will be made within six weeks. After that, Verdonk's position will still remain uncertain. In an emergency debate running on deep into the night, Verdonk was accused by all parties of two mistakes. First, she reached the conclusion far too quickly - after an investigation of scarcely one day - that the Somali-born Hirsi Ali has with retrospective effect never been a Dutch citizen. Secondly, the minister based this conclusion on a careless interpretation of a Supreme Court ruling in 2005, according to the House. The 2005 Supreme Court ruling stated that someone who is naturalised has still with retrospective effect not acquired Dutch nationality if it turns out that incorrect personal data was provided. The Supreme Court however noted that it is possible to depart from this in case of "exceptional circumstances," without specifying which circumstances these are. As well, the nationality can also be retained if the person in question is known by the false name given, under the ruling. A broad House majority concluded that Verdonk has interpreted the Supreme Court ruling too narrowly. When Hirsi Ali received her Dutch passport in 1997, she had already probably been known by this name for five years - since she applied for asylum in 1992. Additionally, the House sees the position of Hirsi Ali, subject to frequent death threats as a world-famous women's rights activist, as an exceptional circumstance. Hirsi Ali's real name is Hirsi Magan. Verdonk therefore insisted that she "could do nothing other than find that Hirsi Ali is not a Dutch citizen." But virtually the entire House embraced a motion from Verdonk's own conservatives (VVD), ordering the minister to make a new decision. Additionally, if the result should again be negative for Hirsi Ali, then Verdonk must look for other ways to make her a Dutch citizen after all. Following Verdonk's decision, Hirsi Ali resigned with immediate effect on Tuesday as a member of parliament for the VVD. In the debate, it remained unclear whether Hirsi Ali is stateless. According to Verdonk, she could fall back on Somali nationality, but Labour (PvdA) leader Wouter Bos claimed Somalia had probably already withdrawn this passport years ago. In any case, said Verdonk, Hirsi Ali has refugee status, allowing her to travel. Her personal guarding is also maintained. Since 2002, Hirsi Ali had already repeatedly shared the fact with international media that she was really called Magan and lied about her date of birth. Leftwing Green (GroenLinks) leader Femke Halsema said that everyone in The Hague had known the facts for a long time. Nonetheless, Verdonk only took action when TV programme Zembla presented the lies as new facts last Thursday. Halsema commented that even Hirsi Ali's e-mail address begins with 'magan.' Verdonk said she never knew that this was her name. She also swore she never had e-mail contact with Hirsi Ali. But according to sources at the Justice Ministry, this did in fact occur. As well, Leon de Winter, a personal friend of Hirsi Ali, stated on TV programme Nova that he was present at a telephone conversation a few months ago in which Hirsi Ali said to Verdonk that she had lied in her asylum application. Hirsi Ali also stated this herself last week in the controversial Zembla broadcast. Verdonk's position could falter again if it should turn out that she did after all know for some time that Hirsi Ali was actually called Hirsi Magan. Additionally, a lengthy crisis is threatened within the VVD if Verdonk is elected as party leader on 1 June. Within the VVD establishment, her position has become very bad, but it is the 40,000 party members who elect the winner. Verdonk is in a leadership battle with Education Secretary Mark Rutte. If Verdonk wins, she will have difficulty in jacking up the MPs' confidence in her - this was already low, because most prefer Rutte. A blessing in disguise for the VVD is that Verdonk, if elected leader, still has to remain in the cabinet until May 2007, when parliamentary elections are held. Unlike Rutte, Verdonk cannot switch to the Lower House before May 2007, because she did not run for election as an MP in 2003. The present interim parliamentary leader Willibrord van Beek would then continue to lead the MPs. Time must then become the ally that heals the internal VVD wounds.

^You would have to have a helluva job(or won the lottery) to buy a decent place within greater London.

Originally posted by illegal some-alien: i wanted to make a poll but i was scuurrred it wouldnt come out right. anways whats your favourite fake news show. 1) the daily show with john stewart 2) the colbert report with stephen colbert 3) this hour has 22 minutes (re-runs) 4) Lou Dobbs Lou Dobbs - LOL, LOL. I hate that ******* . Probably have seen more This hour than all others. Don't really have a favorite since I am not a regular view. The Canadians were the first movers in this field for sure though.

^LOL ^^^English - what is that?