Kheyr, speak for yourself mate. Most of my friends, the taller the better sort of thing! so long there is a cap on 5'11. Modesty, Allah had created us all in diff shapes and sizes, everyone of us are here to fulfil a a picture, so don't be disgrunteled! be mery and look upon those who are 5.3 or below.

Kheyr! great sense of humour, I didn't know you had it in you.

Baashi@lol On the mark.

Thanks Bashi.

So how was the confrence?

Mutakalim, if your trade is one that deals with insults--Safiih is what you have called me- then, i shall not indulge you further. Squalid sentences are better to be left an answered.

"Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The Parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within it a Lamp: the Lamp enclosed in Glass: the glass as it were a brilliant star: Lit from a blessed Tree, an Olive, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it: Light upon Light!" - 24:35 Alas, that light is clear to be followed by those who Allah had given Baraka. Nur, Akhii FIl Caqiida, To debate is one thing but to toothpick is wholly another ball game. I have read many of the writings of the mass dissolutioned men in this thread, men who seem to know little about Culuum Islaamia! A good example is Mutakilm’s idiotic comment of Ibnu Kathir and Dabari being what he calls lowbrow Mufasiriin. This speaks in million languages and clearly states the fact stipulated above-namely lack of Islamic erudition. Akhii, for the love of God, though I completely give credence to that illuminating principle which encourages challenging the baadil and spreading goodness; in this thread much of your efforts will be at loss with these chaps (but with assurance Insha Raxman Allah will reward you). They seem to be men who had already have “their ideas†cemented in the gloom and despondence that age of Fitna had propagated. May Allah have mercy on us all. Mutakali wrote “If you are receptive to the discussion, I will demand of you "amreeyn", two things: 1) I will use proofs from your books to explicate the legitimacy of our beliefs. I will refer to the eminent sunni scholars (mufassiriin) and their exegis (zamakhsahri, siyuudi, etc.); I will not refer to the second-rate tafasiir written by your scholars (ibn kathiir, dabari, qutb, etc.). I will not communicate to you like a commoner, I will assume you are intimately familiar with all your concepts. If that is not the case, then I do not wish to "teach" anything. This is a challenge and thus will it remain. 2)The relgious proofs I will advance will be "rational" and of course "narrational". I shall start the discussion of the rationality of our beliefs†It is like comparing Bidaayatul Wa Nihaaya to Raxiiqul Makhtuum. Alahayoow nin aan wax agoeyn ha cadaabin!.

Insults huh! my poor fellow is so broken he is in the mercy of his run of the mill mind! oh such a pretence of intellect leads to the futility of....! oh well go figure! "irrefutable refutation can be stipulated, perhaps it is my Nietzchean hubris that is causes me to think in that way " prey tell my poor fellow what is your Neitchian hubris! hubris and disdain are the ingredients that make men of low calibre! Federick was indeed anything but but disdainfull.

Dadka reer UK ee daneeya aqoon-wadaagga iyo arrimaha Soomaalida waxaa la ogeysiinayaa in la qaban doono dood-cilmiyeed xiisa leh oo ku taxan xuska maalmihii xornimada iyo midnimada labadii gobol ee Soomaaliyeed, 1da Luulyo iyo 26ka Juun. Dood-cilmiyeeddaan oo uu soo qabanqaabiyey Ururka Dadihiye Somali development Organisation, halkudheggeedu wuxuu ku salaysan yahay su’aasha ah: Qodob-hoosaadyada laga doodayo waxaa ka mid ah: § Sidee ku timi madax-bannaanidii iyo midnimadii la gaadhey maalmahaas? § Waa maxay qiimaha ay maanta Soomaali ugu fadhido xasuusta maalmahaas? § Dhibaatooyinkii dambe ee loo geystey guud ahaan ummadda Soomaaliyeed, siiba woqooyiga ma waxaa ka masuul ah maalmahaas iyo xornimadii iyo midnimadii la gaarey mise waxaa ka masuul ah madaxdii qabatay hoggaanka Dalka? § Waa maxay guulaha Soomaalidu gaadhey taariikhda casriga ah iyo qaladaadka la galay ee loo baahan yahay in cashar laga qaato? § Hadday Soomaalidu awood u yeelatay in ay dowladnimo gaadho maxay awood ugu yeelan weydey inay difaacato? § Maanta oo magacii “Soomaali†qarka u saaran yahay inuu gabi ahaanba dhinto sidee loo badbaadin karaa magaca ummad ahaaneed ee la wada wadaago? § Ma habboon tahay in mustaqalka xuska maalmaha xornimada Soomaalida ee kala ah 26 Juun, 27ka Juun (maalinta xornimada Djibouti) iyo 1da Luulyo intii magaalo wada joogtaa hal meel si wada jir ah ugu dabbaaldegaan? Dood-cilmiyeedda waxaa furi doona aqoonyahanno u kuur galay taariikhda iyo xaaladda Soomaalida, ka dibna waxaa loo furi doonaa ka-qaybgalayaasha guud ahaan. Waqtiga uu dhici doono kulankaan waa Sabtida 24 July 2004, saacadduna waa 6:00 PM (lixda Galabnimo). Goobta lagu qabanayo waa: Royal Borough of kensington and Chelsea Small Halla Kensinton Town Hall Horntonton Street London W8 7NX Underground: Kensinton High Street- District Line and circle Line Buses: 9, 10, 27, 28, 49, 328, C1 Wixii Faahfaahin ah fadlan kala xiriir, Xafiiska Dadihiye on 02073704168 Dahabo dowlo. Qof kasta oo Somali ah oo danaynaya mustaqbalka Dalkiisa iyo dadkiisa waa u furan tahay inuu ka soo qayb galo waana lugu soo dhoweynayaa.

Much ado about nothing huh?

What a hideously ghastly thing Shiisha is! I hear many horrors from indulging that thing, especially tales of tapestry as far as ladies are concerned. Enticing or perhaps not. Interestingly enough, I was watching that politics show hosted by that Scottish chap Andrew, you know the one who wears the wig also is the editor of the Scotsman (and to be editor of Telegraph) and the subject was about Blair and his demonisation of the hippy Sixties. Mark Mardel (however you spell his surname), the reporter was taking the micky. He dressed and tried to speak like hippy while he was smoking away his Shiisha (without naar, as I once said, Shiisha without coal is life a boat in the desert); quite interesting it was to see Shiisha being linked with the Hippy Sixties. Yasmin, have you dared to try the “thing†yourself? It is an acquired taste I hear. Some people are rather hooked.

We ask Allah in His majesty that transcends all bounds and His munificence that goes beyond all ends to shed upon us the lights of His guidance and to snatch away from us the darkness of waywardness and error; to make us among those who saw the truth as truth, preferring to pursue and follow its paths, and who saw false as false, choosing to avoid and shun it; to bring us to the felicity He promised His prophets and saints; to make us attain that rapture and gladness, favoured bliss and joy (once we depart from this abode of delusion) from whose heights the greatest ascents of the understanding stand low and from whose distanced stretches the utmost reaches of the arrows of the imagination waste away; to grant us, after arriving at the bliss of paradise and emerging from the terror of the judgment day, "that which neither eye has seen nor ear heard, nor occurred to the heart of men," and that He may bestow His prayers and His assured peace upon prophet, the chosen, Muhammad, the best of men. It is not too repellent to shield what tiny terrain of thought that I inhabit when under the attack of regally marshaled magnetic vocabulary. A resistance that would be compelled to meet vengeance; alas we are in the treacherous position of a dog whose tail has been attached with sumptuously fatty meat, and so it hounds the piece of meet on a circle motion eventually falling from exhaustion. I hope the thinking mind will not behave like this creature. Therefore, the convenience of ridiculing is now something that I must deny to my self. Moreover, it is in our common interest to consider a joint venture in understanding each other’s perspectives, only then will we truly have the knowledge to determine each other’s intentions. But that does not mean I will not tear apart the misconstrued pseudo-philosophical ideas of our esteemed fellow. I shall endeavor to shed some light on the blunders our brother has made. Philosophy is not a subject for the sentimental mind, reason; thinking and independence are sustenance of the intellect. But as any nourishment, it needs to be tested; some vegetable/animals are perilous to our health thus they are not consumed as victuals. To argue we believe in Allah not because of priori knowledge or even posteriori is show ignorance about the scripture of our holly religion. In numerous verses, Allah speaks of his existence and the signs that surround us to him. Science perhaps is one shining star that guides us to the creator. Allah Says “God is the light of the Heavens and of the earth. His light is like a niche in which is a lamp - the encased in a glass, - the glass, as it were, a star’†(24:35). No doubt, the opening sentence of the verse gives the impression of an escape from an individualistic conception of God. But when we follow the metaphor of light in the rest of the verse, it gives just the opposite impression. The development of the metaphor is meant rather to exclude the suggestion of a formless cosmic element by centralizing the light in a flame which is further individualized by its encasement in a glass likened unto a well-defined star. This of course uses the capacity of the mind, in Islam there had been three periods as of the greatest Islamic political philosopher’s has said Islam’s conceptualization is devided in tow, the faith period and reason pereid. The Qur’an accentuates this in many verses. The main purpose of the Qur’an is to awaken in man the higher consciousness of his manifold relations with God and the universe. It is in view of this essential aspect of the Quranic teaching that Goethe, while making a general review of Islam as an educational force, said to Eckermann: ‘You see this teaching never fails; with all our systems, we cannot go, and generally speaking no man can go, farther than that.’ (Cf. John Oxenford (tr.), Conversations of Goethe with Eckermann and Sorret , p. 41.) Unlike Christianity of which the plethora of men you quote have been brought up (Hume, Burk, Kiegraat lock, Nietzsche etcetera) Islam believes and celebrates both the brilliance of man and his condemns when his ego surpasses his reason. When attracted by the forces around him, man has the power to shape and direct them; when thwarted by them, he has the capacity to build a much vaster world in the depths of his own inner being, wherein he discovers sources of infinite joy and inspiration. Hard his lot and frail his being, like a rose-leaf, yet no form of reality is so powerful, so inspiring, and so beautiful as the spirit of man! Thus in his inmost being man, as conceived by the Qura’n, is a creative activity, an ascending spirit who, in his onward march, rises from one state of being to another: ‘But Nay! I swear by the sunset’s redness and by the night and its gatherings and by the moon when at her full, that from state to state shall ye be surely carried onward’ (84:16-19). Man is a thinking being, god had given mental capacity to only guide himself and be aware the perils of the world he inhabits but also to contemplate what is in the creators creation. Though I can go on, and I feel I have plenty more to say about this matter, I got to dash now. I await your comments. Thus spake I

Dear Q, Oh my dear fellow, such a invitation is much dreaded my many! But not this nomad; he indeed takes great pleasure in challenge. Challenge is the water that grows the crops or some such. On absolute Truth What is then “absolute truth” Like in any combined words, we have to first define what is absolute? This word means; Perfect in quality or nature; Not limited by restrictions or exceptions; unconditional; conclusive. Now what is truth linguistically? The answer can be said it to be; Conformity to fact or actuality or perhaps Fidelity to an original or standard. Many writers have said “ often Truth that which is considered to be the supreme reality and to have the ultimate meaning and value of existence” thus “Absolute truth" is according to this definition inflexible reality: fixed, invariable, unalterable facts. This is of course to say, the existence of the “real” is independent from our sense. For example, the actuality of this keyboard could not be disputed even though I can type on it because I am not in the living room. The fact that I am not in the living room does not negate the existence of this corporeal thing. This would be material example. More enticing to the metaphysical lovers (this is Epistemology mixed with Metaphysics) would the example of the creator. Without the creation God would have existed; thus making him the ultimate and absolute truth. To stretch the matter-no doubt this will anger some relativists amongst you- the colour white may be inherently better than say the colour green. The fact that we the human agents have different tastes, say some prefer red to black or vice versa does not dispute the inherent better-ness of say red—though we can not judge this by ourselves for we have different acquired tastes; it is said that the creator knows which is better. Others would bring theological argument and say colour white is better than other as far as clothing is concerned for it was the favourite colour of the Prophet. He SCW being the best of man ever created, he is indeed has better taste than others; this of course is stretching the matter a bit further. On Logic, What is Logic? It is the mode in which philosophers analyze inferences. The famous mantra goes like this; All men are mortal, Sophist is a man, now we can infer that Sophist is mortal. Notice, it is a system; derived from our sense of intellect. Human intellect which is fallible; or is? To answer this question one first has to doubt the fallibility of man. However, if man is fallible then it would be painless to respond. Thus, I will say. Because Logic is conditioned by human intellect, and human intellect is fallible, we can infer that logic is not perfect mode of knowing more obscure things. I hope this helped.

Alas, the crying and finger pointing continues to no avail.

Water ridden with waves is indeed more awe-inspiring than the run down the mill water that many of us are use to. Philosophy or the inquiry of the nature of things invites those who are not contending with status quo. Therein lays the explication of this thread or perhaps not. As the antiquated Somali saying goes, a man who says I, mark himself out of the crowd. What a splendid axiom. Indeed this aphorism has a far-reaching consequence than most would notice. The “rationalistic” consequence would be, such a man should he chose to mark himself out, must indeed bring-forth something that his fellow men would discern to be spectacular—there is the risk of course those who he is sipping the sweet Somali tea might not be equipped for such a distinction; hardly I think this applies to this crowd. Many of the contributors show adequate comprehension of the subject matter thus it is on the initiator to make his case plausible. The question then is, has the initiator succeeded not only marking himself out, but putting forward with clarity persuasive argument that would tip his opponents over? The answer of course not only lies in his response but also in the writings of his opponents. I shall invite Mutakalim back into the discussion to re- write his proposition; with clarity this time. He Writes “In fact we must believe "in virtue of the abusrd"” Okay, what is absurd? Isn’t this to assume that man has a perfect mind? Whatever falls outside his capacity to comprehend is absurd? Others To assume logic to be an "absolute truth" is to say Men are perfect; What a complete fallacy. Vicking, What is the cardinal principles of rationalism? what is rational?

Dumaashi, Alaa yaftaa caleyki. If I haven't heard it before, i do know. Cheers.

Ninba ceesaantii ceel keen!

Amakaag iyo fajac ayaa waxa igu reebey kelmadahan kasoo hankakamaya qaar kobtan wax kuqora. Waxaad moodaa, in qaasatan walaalkey Viking uu moodsiinayo dadka qaarkii in Sophist uu iskudayeyo inuu kuqoro luqad aanay dadku fahmin. Runtii, shaqsi ahaan ma aan garanayo meesha uu kakeeno inaan "isku deyayo" in aan la ifahmin? Malaha waxaa fiicnaan laheyd, hadii uu wanaag ujeedo inuu kugaabsado Walaalkeen Sophist hajilciyo erayada uu isticmaalayo; laakiin waxaad moodaa in baroortu orgiga kaweyn tahay. Si kastaba arintu ha ahaatee, anigu si aan aheyn qaabka aan uqoro luqadaas qalaad ma aan awoodo inaan uqoro marka aan kahadleyno maadooyinka aan kahadlo. Waxaa laga yaabaa, marka aan udirayo dhanbaal qof aan saaxiibnahay, inaan isticmaalo "uqad dhambaaleed". Alaah hanoo sahlo. Nabad iyo Caano

Hear Hear!

The above chap, One writes as one feels confortable. As I have many times penned down, I write the way I do not to amuse myself ( I can assure you that would have been great pleasure) but this is how I do write. The subject matter is not one that can be written in the "plain" English you speak of. Anyhow, what makes my language archiac and your run of the mill easy to comprehend? have we become decidedly majoritrian? The msg is, write as you are pleased and let those who write refined manner theirs. THus Spake I indeed!

harkaa korka jooga, Hadaaqa lahoogo, hankaarka Vicking iyo Hoyka Q-ba Walee hobashaa mudan.

Mutakalim, Uuh, such a fresh breeze engulfs us all diffusing the stalemate era SOL had been experiencing of late. Indeed a great ally and companion of grand ideas. I must dash now; look forward to read your deeper thoughts on matters of great significance. Sophist PS: I have another four years to go to reach that "dreaded" age of becoming- 30.

A true man never insults, it is not sentiment that drives but indeed reason Alas, i shall not dare to even intertain the idea of kicking the ball in your direction.

OG Girl, my dear sister It is indeed intensely eyewatering subject for those who have a shred of decency in their blood. The ignorance of the common Somalis and Muslims about the plight of Ogadan people is just astonishingly poor. I commend your sincere concern about the this community. May Allah bring them the peace and freedom they deserve. And you and the likes of you should not tire for their unswevering support for this cause. We should all work harad to contribute the communal wellbeing of our Somali people.

Alas Thus Spake the ill-defined sage ! just kidding dude. "If man is a social animal it must also follow that man needs to belong" where have I read this from?