That is interesting indeed!

"^Nothing missed, just blithely ignored. ICU this, ICU that... give it a break folks! You live in peaceful West but hanker for blood and enmity. If you guys care so much, why don't you pack up your bags and head there. Because talk is cheap. And detrimental to our people as you bunch are propagating and sowing further division by chearing one side against another" Well said brother; well said indeed.

Alah ubaahane; I sense that your nick is furtherst from your bloodthirsty persona; walaalkiis, the likes of you will cast a shadow upon the flickering light of the ICU.

Am I really such person? Somali presidency here I come.

ENTJ - "Field Marshall". The basic driving force and need is to lead. Tend to seek a position of responsibility and enjoys being an executive. 1.8% of total population. Take Free Jung Personality Test personality tests by similarminds.com Main type Variant Take Free Enneagram Personality Test personality tests by similarminds.com "Portrait of an ENTJ - Extraverted iNtuitive Thinking Judging (Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Intuition) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Executive As an ENTJ, your primary mode of living is focused externally, where you deal with things rationally and logically. Your secondary mode is internal, where you take things in primarily via your intuition. ENTJs are natural born leaders. They live in a world of possibilities where they see all sorts challenges to be surmounted, and they want to be the ones responsible for surmounting them. They have a drive for leadership, which is well-served by their quickness to grasp complexities, their ability to absorb a large amount of impersonal information, and their quick and decisive judgments. They are "take charge" people. ENTJs are very career-focused, and fit into the corporate world quite naturally. They are constantly scanning their environment for potential problems which they can turn into solutions. They generally see things from a long-range perspective, and are usually successful at identifying plans to turn problems around - especially problems of a corporate nature. ENTJs are usually successful in the business world, because they are so driven to leadership. They're tireless in their efforts on the job, and driven to visualize where an organization is headed. For these reasons, they are natural corporate leaders. There is not much room for error in the world of the ENTJ. They dislike to see mistakes repeated, and have no patience with inefficiency. They may become quite harsh when their patience is tried in these respects, because they are not naturally tuned in to people's feelings, and more than likely don't believe that they should tailor their judgments in consideration for people's feelings. ENTJs, like many types, have difficulty seeing things from outside their own perspective. Unlike other types, ENTJs naturally have little patience with people who do not see things the same way as the ENTJ. The ENTJ needs to consciously work on recognizing the value of other people's opinions, as well as the value of being sensitive towards people's feelings. In the absence of this awareness, the ENTJ will be a forceful, intimidating and overbearing individual. This may be a real problem for the ENTJ, who may be deprived of important information and collaboration from others. In their personal world, it can make some ENTJs overbearing as spouses or parents. The ENTJ has a tremendous amount of personal power and presence which will work for them as a force towards achieving their goals. However, this personal power is also an agent of alienation and self-aggrandizement, which the ENTJ would do well to avoid. ENTJs are very forceful, decisive individuals. They make decisions quickly, and are quick to verbalize their opinions and decisions to the rest of the world. The ENTJ who has not developed their Intuition will make decisions too hastily, without understanding all of the issues and possible solutions. On the other hand, an ENTJ who has not developed their Thinking side will have difficulty applying logic to their insights, and will often make poor decisions. In that case, they may have brilliant ideas and insight into situations, but they may have little skill at determining how to act upon their understanding, or their actions may be inconsistent. An ENTJ who has developed in a generally less than ideal way may become dictatorial and abrasive - intrusively giving orders and direction without a sound reason for doing so, and without consideration for the people involved. Although ENTJs are not naturally tuned into other people's feelings, these individuals frequently have very strong sentimental streaks. Often these sentiments are very powerful to the ENTJ, although they will likely hide it from general knowledge, believing the feelings to be a weakness. Because the world of feelings and values is not where the ENTJ naturally functions, they may sometimes make value judgments and hold onto submerged emotions which are ill-founded and inappropriate, and will cause them problems - sometimes rather serious problems. ENTJs love to interact with people. As Extroverts, they're energized and stimulated primarily externally. There's nothing more enjoyable and satisfying to the ENTJ than having a lively, challenging conversation. They especially respect people who are able to stand up to the ENTJ, and argue persuasively for their point of view. There aren't too many people who will do so, however, because the ENTJ is a very forceful and dynamic presence who has a tremendous amount of self-confidence and excellent verbal communication skills. Even the most confident individuals may experience moments of self-doubt when debating a point with an ENTJ. ENTJs want their home to be beautiful, well-furnished, and efficiently run. They're likely to place much emphasis on their children being well-educated and structured, to desire a congenial and devoted relationship with their spouse. At home, the ENTJ needs to be in charge as much as he or she does in their career. The ENTJ is likely best paired with someone who has a strong self-image, who is also a Thinking type. Because the ENTJ is primarily focused on their careers, some ENTJs have a problem with being constantly absent from home, physically or mentally. The ENTJ has many gifts which make it possible for them to have a great deal of personal power, if they don't forget to remain balanced in their lives. The are assertive, innovative, long-range thinkers with an excellent ability to translate theories and possibilities into solid plans of action. They are usually tremendously forceful personalities, and have the tools to accomplish whatever goals they set out for.

""Nin aad baryayso in uu kuu soo saaro Macdan iyo Shidaal miyaa lacag waydiisan kartaa ? , waa maya jawaabtu , anagu wax lacag ah oo aan ka qaadanay habayaraatee ma jirto mana doonayno in aan ka qaadano markaan dalka soo galay $ 100 baa jeebkayga ku jiray dayn baan kaga soo dhoofnay dalka Emaradka"." What a load of tosh. Walaahi dadka soomaliya jooga indho fur ayey ubaahan yihiin.

"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside... and the cats come and eat it... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat?" asked a senior Muslim cleric [by analogy to scantily dressed women who get raped]. "I do not know about laws in Muslim countries but here in Austrailia, if you place your uncovered meat outside to attract *****, you will be arrested." Responded an Austrailian Police man. Classic

Well done for the people of Hargeisa!.

Masha Allah

Xiin, I tried to pm you but your pm is full. Send me one! thanks.

Anigu diyaar ayaan ahay mar walba walaale.

MMA, Ma markii hore, mise hada. Hadalkaagu wuxuu sax ahaan lahaa 1991kii kahor. Maanta Magaalooyinka 100 kun kabadan degan yihiin waa> Xamar, Hargeisa Bosaso, Las Anod, Galkacayo, Baydhabo and Kismayo. Magaalooyin waxaa jira 1991 aaney kunooleen 50 kun, laakiin maanta ay kunool yihiin 200+ kun plus; Las Anod and Bosado will be good examples. Gabiley, waa dego kismaayana uma dhowa. MMA, waxay kutaalaa hargeisa duleedkeeda

Sophist,let me ask you this,since you've been to both cities, then which is better looking city Hargeysa or Bosaaso? I thought you favored Bosaaso there,so can you tell me how you have reached that conclusion, the red sea beaches perhaps? Beaches and whitwashed vilooyinka kuyaala. But there aren't money roads worthy of thousands of landcruisers that the residents won. Bad planning is of course to blame.

Zafir, elated you can acknowledge that fact

Brother fil Aqeedah, since you are well placed in that clique perhaps you might be better person to advance this cause. Would you want to take up this duty and discharge it without fail.

Zafir, darling you seem to miss the reason for that! this is called saahweyn in Somali!

Islamophobia, Terrorism and Fragmented Immigrant Communities Liban Ahmad October 18, 2006 Jack Straw’s comments on the veil also known as niqab have reinvigorated the debate about diversity and the role of Muslim community in tackling the threat from terrorism .The reaction to the British Labour politician’s comment were varied. In the eyes of a prominent conservative MP, it underscores how sensitive ‘Muslim community’ has become to criticism. “At its very least, there is a growing feeling that the Muslim community is excessively sensitive to criticism, unwilling to engage in substantive debate. Much worse is the feeling of some Muslim leaders that as a community they should be protected from criticism, argument, parody, satire and all the other challenges that happen in a society that has free speech as its highest value, “wrote David Davis, the Shadow Home Secretary, in the Sunday Telegraph. In his piece David Davis pointed out that the government’s response to overreaction from some members from the Muslim community in the wake of Danish cartoons was inadequate adding that “the greater risk for our society is that legitimate discussion is being closed down by knee-jerk reactions to questions which, however insensitively they may be expressed, contain real issues that merit public debate. Ironically, such a debate would offer an opportunity for all sides to better appreciate – whether or not they agree – the range of opinion expressed.†Ruth Kelly: Tough words, incoherent policy Ignoring diversity within a community leads to generalisation, oversimplification and lumping community of communities together. Like other immigrants and migrants from other faiths, Muslim communities had come to UK from different countries, cultures and socio-economic backgrounds. Leadership of influential Muslim organisations consulted by successive British governments disproportionately belong to Muslim communities who came to this country more than two generations ago. Globalisation, civil wars and cheap flights, among other factors, have contributed to the increase in the number new Muslim communities in the United Kingdom. It is a failure to take these facts into account that makes the use of the two words “Muslim Community†a barrier to a debate with government, politicians and policy makers about the role of Muslim communities in countering the terrorist threats facing Britain. Uncritical acceptance of politicians’ views about nature of communities and their ability to tackle challenges ranging from terrorism, brainwashing to radicalisation of the young is—to borrow Stanley Cohen’s phrase—‘ moral panic’ in disguise. Divided on Strategy David Davids’ article in the Sunday Telegraph coincided with an interview Lord Ahmed of Rotherham gave Sunday programme on Radio 4, broadcast on 15 October 2006. The interview was said to have been provoked by a speech delivered by Ruth Kelly, Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government, in which, quoting Gordon Brown, she said: “Unless moderates can establish themselves at the centre of their communities and faith, extremists could grow in strength and influence.†From this very quote one can infer reluctance or meekness on the part of ‘moderate Muslims’. The government will fund Muslim community organisations that are deemed to be “proactive ….in tackling in tackling extremism and defending our shared values.†What about if organisations depend on sources of funding other than local authorities’ funds? Lord Ahmed’s interview highlighted a schism between the government and influential Muslim leaders .“…if you look at every bit of rhetoric that has been coming out of the government departments and very senior people, it has been sort of targeting at the Muslim community leadership and keeping the Muslim community on the back foot criticising them and that has opened up a wave for the f or neocons, the right wing people who have attacking the Muslims. Islamophobia has become a contemporary form of racism and frankly anyone wants to have a go, either you talk about fanatics and or you link them with Islam and you attack entire community, demonisation of religion, demonisation of entire community,†Lord Ahmed told Sunday. Muslims living in deprived communities who are accustomed reading Muslim-bashing headlines, and opinion polls that paint a picture Muslim communities as terrorist symptahisers, will find consolation in Lord Ahmed’s words. Why? Lord Ahmed points to what he regards as a trend of underachievement that blights Muslim children—“ Muslim children are achieving less than half the percentage in five GCSE grade a-c compared to Indian children or Chinese children .They are the lowest achievers…â€--- continual government interference—“ so much interference from people who are saying ‘ spy on your children’â€â€”and absence of policies aimed at tackling “ parallel communities, deprivation, ghettoes that exist within the Muslim communities, whether it is in Bradford, in Birmingham, in Luton or elsewhere in the United Kingdom.†Lord Ahmed: Let down by establishment? Why is Lord Ahmed calling for a more proactive role for the government in tackling major social and economic problems facing Muslim communities when senior members of the cabinet hinted at loss of confidence in the Muslim leaders due to perceived emergence of an intolerant breed of Muslim leaders? Managing Diversity in Multicultural Britain The threat from terrorism to Britain calls for a radical approach to managing diversity within communities. Such an approach will be distinctive in the sense that diversity will have to be valued as long as it does not standing in the way of posing the candid questions about policies of the government of the day and attitudes of the communities towards pluralism and cultural diversity. Emphasis on cross-cultural understanding and exploring betters ways to cement community cohesion are two strategies that will provide a basis for strategy that will contribute towards managing diversity in Multicultural Britain. New situations call for new approaches. In the light of government’s criticism of Muslim leaders, micromanaging diversity issues may look like a sound option that will balance the ‘leadership deficit’ within Muslim communities. Such an approach will, in my view, be counterproductive for it is not based on a coherent understanding about diversity within immigrant communities from Muslim countries. The Somali community in Manchester is a handy example that can shed light on the outcome of diversity policy that is unwittingly based on a stereotype. Manchester City Council organised two conferences in 2003 and 2004 for the Somali community groups. It was a genuine attempt to solve appararent factionalism that plagued Somali community in Manchester. Representatives from more than 10 community-based organisations working within 1 KM square attended the conference. Out of the two conference emerged the Somali Consultative Forum made up of representatives from community organisations. The Forum aims to forge a working relationship between the Somali community groups and service providers. Manchester Council Community Relations was entrusted with the task further developing the Forum and holding monthly meeting for community organisations The assumption behind such a community empowerment policy was acceptance that clan based community organisations can not be done away with: no local authority can bring fractious, clan based community groups together without viewing their differences as diversity. But this approach has widened the adverse impact of social exclusion within the Somali community in Manchester and deepened the perception about community groups as divisive, clan based groups that continue to deplete the remaining reserves of social capital. The squabbling community groups are part of Somali culture, goes the unexamined assumption. But the picture is more complex than the assumption. Voluntary organsations did not exist in Somalia. The civil war and attendant trauma asylum seekers and refugees had to undergo and the prolonged statelessness in Somalia have bred justified mistrust within social groups. Intra-clan trust— “bonding social capital†to use distinction made by Professor Robert Putnam, author of Bowling Alone, --based “on ties to people like you†(Clansmen and clanswomen in Somali socio-political parlance) has provided a basis on which community organisations thrived in Manchester. This type of social capital has not been exploited further to create a bridging social-- “ ties to people unlike you – people of different race,[people of different clan] people of different age, or people of different gender.†In 2005 spate of violence against vulnerable members of the Somali community in Manchester revived questions about united community representation. A group of young Somali men and women who are not linked to any of the Somali community groups pooled their efforts to interview victims of the violence. The organised a community meeting held in a Mosque. The Somali community members view the mosque as nonpolitical, non-tribal, impartial entity that can contribute to efforts to forge communal trust. The mosque meeting cooled the fraying tempers of community members and organised successive meeting with the Greater Manchester Police. The wider but unacknowledged outcomes of the Mosque initiative were the decrease in the violence against Somalis and a boost in the confidence of the community to address violence against its vulnerable members. The potential of the mosque to address, violence, social exclusion and cement community cohesion has not been tapped properly. A development worker with a local threatre company that has developed a project for Somali youth in Manchester said he had been amazed to see Somali youth identifying themselves not along clan lines but as young, ambitious members of the community in 21 century UK. They set up an amateur troupe of actors and staged a play at Zion Centre in March. “All I had read about Somali communities and their social organisation has been challenged by what I have seen in Moss Side and Rusholme,†he told me. Few months Policy Studies Institute teams came to Moss Side for preliminary feedback on research PSI has conducted on Everyday Interactions in Diverse Communities. One Somali woman interviewee expressed anxiety and fear about living in Moss Side whereas a Somali man, in his forties, said that life in Moss Side was not a problem. One participant in the feedback session pointed out the significance of reintroducing a locally distributed newspaper that covered community news about several wards in the city. Before it ceased publication Area News played a major role in community dialogue. The threat of terrorism to the United Kingdom can not be discounted. Joint efforts between politicians, Muslim community and religious leaders are needed to ensure that young Muslim men and women are not only at risk of social exclusion but also less susceptible to terrorist exploitation and brainwashing. British government’s policy of working with Muslim communities ought to be coherent rather than prescriptive. Liban Ahmad London, E-Mail:libahm@gmail.com

NGONE! Ma anigaad ila soo doonatey sarcasmkaagii iila timi ina abtoow? Cambaro, thanks for your contribution on this thread. Adigoo kale waa loo baahan yahay, maxaa yeeley runtii qof aqooneed ayaad tahay. Be well.

ME! They might have been in the past; but most had fled because of the civil war bro. Would you agree; as urban citities the above mentioned places house largest number of people?

And you are shining star in a dark universe! Masha Allah Happy for your and envious of you hubby

Whilst I was staying in Hargeisa's famous Ambasador Hotel, there was a wedding there. I met the groom in the coffee place we chatted (he looked Somali; his mother was indian and father was dark skinnes Emirati) he invited me to the wedding. Nice chap works for the Itisaalaat. He was telling me he knew couple Muwaadins married to somali sisters. But when asked him whether he knew Emiratiya married to Somali his response was NOPE ANd I don't think there are said he before quickly realising what he said he added, may be but I have come accross yet. When I was student, I was member of the Arabic Society of my Univ. Azza Qasimi (daughter of Sheikh Qasimi of Sharjah). She use to hang out with us and then she liked a friend of mine Sudenese guy after going out months; she told me that you know this is not going to go anywhere. I am dev feelings for him but I know i would be hurt. Anyhow, they concluded the courtship. The funny thing is, her father is the most religious of them all and still his ismalic fiath does not seem to cover this area!.

Cambaro; read couple your writings on these boards, it seems as though you are a rare breed indeed. We all want to be in a relationship that is well defined-- I don't mind giving giving giving and more giving so long as the recipient don’t become wholly obeisant which tends to happen: afwax cunay xishoo. Laakiin, traditionally (Somalia where this was inescapable due to economic conditions) men were obligated to take care of the family literally; they have fulfilled their dutieswithout fail. Everything these days were based on needs. But now we found ourselves in west were though one can provide the needs of his family (if he keeps in mind not to breed like a rabbit) but satiating needs aren’t enough any more. There are WANTS that dress themselves as needs and they are ever growing stupendously. Plasma TVS, Private Schools, DB9 cars, latest Jaboutian Dirac or worse Vivien Westwood dresses and Jimmy Choo shoes are now some of the wants that are becoming a need. This what keeps some men a bit afraid to cross that bridge; we r not all fund managers, footballers, TV executives, Traders, High flying consultants, illustrious doctors etc. Marka waa kaase kasheekee!. Marriage isn't simple as it use to be; at least not in the west.

"Marriage the grave of all hopes" such statement was uttered by a good mate the other day whilist we were painting my flat; I never engaged him by what he meant by that-- may be a reflection on one of our mate's predicament. This marriage thing is daunting you know; taking the responblity of another being (talks, walks, gets sick, needs to be fed, clothed, educated, taken to holidays, giving children, building home to mentioned but a few)! so you can understand our not so over excitement to take up the offer on you guys.

Sky thanks for the kind words; but brother, I can not do this by myself. I know alot of people here have their negative agenda but are wailing now in the name of Somalia; we should differentiate that from those who see this as what it is A CRIME AGAINST OUR COLLECTIVE GOOD which ammounts to the biggest crime in our society. This might lead to other detrimental things. We need to stand together, forge a pressure group that sheds light to this sheer theft; or we shall be poorer of it walahi. Nabad.

Oh boys come on now! hold your horses both of you. Paragon you have no right to insult someone personally. Generaale you are bigger than that bro; I have always admired the way conducted yourself and not given in to the personal attacks; come on now. Let us stop this madness. Waad mahadsantihiin.