^^^I am beginning to suspect you follow MJ's footsteps very closely

^^^ Culture and a patriarchal society where what the man says goes. On the other hand I agree that for a religion that says it protects its womenfolk there is not much support and resources available for battered women.

^^^ Let me do the honors. The somali/hindi movie I am watching is boring me. As Cilmi/Zak sat down to watch the Newcastle/Chelsea game his phone rung. Not looking at the Caller Id he picked up.It was a female voice. C: Hello F: Cilmi? (hesistantly) C: Who is this? F: I am sorry to call you when the game is about to start but I have something to share with you. C: Who is this? (suspiciously) F: Its Sumaya....Idil's sister. C: Hey Sumaya! Is everything alright? S: No everything is not ok. Thats why I need to speak to you. (sobbing ) Idil is in the hospital......... (more nerve racking sobs) she had a nervous breakdown and tried to commit suicide. C: (shocked) Idil in the hospital? Sumaya calm down sweety..........tell me where you are and I will come to get you. S: (crying fully) I am at the masjid. I needed to get away from everyone and I also wanted to tell you. There is more to the story (sobs) So much we hid from you........secrets we need to tell you. I will be waiting. C: I will be right there. Cilmi hung up the phone and picked up his jacket on his way out the door. His thoughts were all over; Idil, Ceebla, secrets, suicide, marriage.......... Let the tale continue......

Aisee Juakali yuko Mn tonite. Who is going or went to see da show?

Originally posted by Xaaji_Faro_badne: some of the contenders of this topic, our cuban plant distributor castro and the lonsome stranger seeker, have battled it to the bone, mandhow when did I become lonesome? I am going to sue this service for defamation of character!!! Very funny though. Keep it up :cool:

I would like to formally ask if this BBC somali online has an english version like the regular BBC? I have to sit for twenty minutes to read your somali sxb. I could care less but u mentioned me

Originally posted by Castro: I should remind you that the state of Cuba, in the absence of the embargo, would certainly have been different than it is now. It would not have near the difficult economic issues that it needlessly faces now. Here I am assuming that you are speaking of the US embargo? Fallacy in the arguement is that doesn't that mean that your -ism depends on the economic "freedom"/capitalism of US? would it be possible that such an embargo (as the one imposed on Cuba) is motivated, in part, by ensuring that socialist-communism is shown to not be a viable alternative to capitalism? Maybe that is the case but we are talking about merits of your system and looking at history you can not but see that it has failed in the past. As to everything else I never said the system was perfect but I think it is better (my opinion) than socio/commi system. Si cela était une tentative à français, j'aimerais dire que j'espère que votre espagnol est meilleur

Castro: Yes indeed, let take a look at good old Cuba. Cuba is a mix of Communism/Socialism state theoretically. Starting with communism. I assume you know what communism stands for since you seem to be waving its flag.Communism depends on tyranny, as in all command-and control state centered system must. Conservative and libertarian philosophical principles place the preservation of individual liberty and personal responsibility at the top of any legitimate state agenda. Even though we may fall short of our objective, a system that strives for individual liberty and freedom is inexorably superior to any of the dictatorial tyrannies that typify much of mankind's history. You bring to head the fact that Cuba touts the best education and health system in the world. I agree but what two things in a sea of improvished services. Cubans these days live on less that $10/day (in Cuban pesos). They have no freedom of speech and receive rationing of food from the government. They actually get a bucket of food and have to get marked off in a red book. Socialism kills individual incentive and invention, depresses productivity and is never going to change.What kind of system are you vying for when a waitress/maid tips are more than a monthly salary of a degree holders. Castro, if you believe in this system so much dear would you be willing to live in it at this moment. Ask for a visa from the state department and live in Cuba. Sorry to draw this comparison but its almost like slavery. The more you work instead of being rewarded you end up being given more work. Should the "slave" be grateful because you feed, cloth and house him? Should he not seek freedom because their lot in life is better than the "poor" americans? **Just a thought**

Castro: black marketeers and grafters will come to dominate your system.Black markets always thrive in an atmosphere of imposed economic dictates that run contrary to the basic instincts of humankind. Despite the rhetoric and selfless idealism of those who support such "pie-in-the-sky" goals as total equality of wealth and an egletarian society, individuals with brains, cunning and cleverness will always garner a larger piece of the pie for themselves. It is human nature. In Orwell's animal farm these were the pigs who ultimately deemed themselves "more equal than the others." In the end all became their slaves. Now I wonder if you agree with such summations as these?

Originally posted by Red sea: Kenya that has had full working central government and yet its people are suffering from Aids and with streets that are unpaved, and I might add water sewers that get loose and dump unknown liquid on the streets. Yaq, discusting, I have stayed there for about 8 months and I didn't experience a single positive day except that I had to cover my face so the dirty won't get into my eyes. [/QB] Mystery solved Watson Red Sea walee showground (3rd street) holds memories for many people too u are not by any means alone. For now I have an immediate cure for your ailment with this thread. Leave it be sxb you are flogging a dead horse. Bisharo...what happened translator quit?

^^^ we got to stop meeting like this Black market will be a problem because u r rationing on a need basis.How do you want to combat this?

^^^ I wasn't looking for applause yakhee . But I believe in tolerance. Might be a concept thats missing in most of us. PS:- I just realized you can make the same case with english. For that matter you should ban english for this is a somali site. :rolleyes:

Seriously maybe simpleton english would work in this case :rolleyes: Advocating preventation (what I am doing) is not the same as saying "women who are raped have a role in it"(what you are interpreting). Now stop the arguement. I don't think I have to point you to the Quran because somethings are obvious and should not be spoonfeed to certain people. PS:- Who knows If I am doing this for the sake of playing the devil's advocate or for some other reason.

Well well if its ain't the Pot calling the Kettle black Aff xuumanta maxaa ka waada mandhow?

Castro u got yourself a situation there matey. You gave everyone milk but like I said supply is limited. How do you propose to do this without affecting the economic balance of your serfdom PS:- this is not a state owned farm and you can't be lord and power over all. Democracy and capitalism flourishes in this Island.

STOIC uzi is right sxb. Bisharoo: fumbo mfumbulie mjinga mwerevu huligangua

^^^ I never was a good actor sxb. Raxmah for your peace of mind I agree noh. If I stand in the middle of the street I should not be run down by a cabby.If I go walk around in Compton I should wear red. Putting yourself in a position of danger shouldn't mean you can't still exercise your right as a victim :rolleyes:

^^^^ I got a scenerio for you : If you were a king of an Island and on that Island you had a certain number of cows that produced milk on a daily basis for the population. On this Island you do not have import or export trade going on either. One day a couple of the cows die and the milk output becomes lower. Cause and effect will occur and the price of milk shoots up. Milk then becomes unaffordable to some of your populace and they are not happy about it. What would King Castro do? Book looks like a good read but I will take a stab at it and says to leans towards socialism with reviews like this : This book looks at the causes and manifestations of income and wealth disparities in the United States, including tax policy in light of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, and recent corporate scandals. The book explores recent changes in income and wealth distribution and examines the economic policies and shifts in power that have fueled the growing divide. Focusing on the decline of organized labor and civic institutions, the battle over global trade, and the growing inequality of income and wages, Economic Apartheid in America argues that most Americans are shut out of the discussion of the rules governing their economic lives. PS:- every Ism has their pro and cons. I am sure there is a book out there that praises the every widening gap between the rich and poor.

Boy when you guys get a hold of one side of the bone you really don't let go do you? I got the stats from http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm. Looking back they are not current so I went to look for more current statistics. NVAW (National Violence Against Women) survey was the most comprehensive I could find but there was no record of it online except by mention in this article: http://www.nvaw.org/research/sa.shtml Now just to appease y'all and to make it simple let me break down what I said in simple terms (for the last time I hope) with the stats. 21.6% of first or only rape cases experienced by women happened before age 12. 32.4% of such cases happened between the ages of 12 and 17. 29.4% happened between the ages of 18 and 24. 16.6% happened at age 25 or greater. The last two were the brunt of my arguement for the others are helpless The NVAW survey used different categories for victim-perpetrator relationships but reported similar findings with respect to the types of perpetrators most prevalent in rape cases occurring after age of 18. 76% of perpetrators were intimate partners (i.e.current and former spouses cohabiting partners,dates, and boyfriends/girlfriends). 16.8% were acquaintances. 14.1% were strangers. 8.6% were relatives other than spouses. I hope this gives you a foot hold for future arguements I NEVER said rape occured primarily from strangers I just provided statistics for it. (reread my posts if you are unsure) With the stats I had, the difference was negligible, thus I didn't see the merit of arguing who performed the heinous act. My point was that some things are within our control as women and therefore we should not be quick to don the victim cloak. We should try to take preventative measures i.e. not walk alone, not drink, not dress provocative etc. On a side note I am sure for most female students they heard this pep talk in their freshman year orientation if you lived on campus .So people stop reading my words out of context cause otherwise I might just retract my contract with Castro and subject some of you to a never-ending arguement PS:- Sowwie Viks for taking your thread down a different route. Can y'all go back to giving your thoughts on the subject :cool:

^^^Typical yankee! Sticking your flag in a land that hasn't declared surrender Yalla ....we let u be in ur bubble mate!

^^^ 10-4 I read u loud and clear. I just assumed since you found your way into SOL that you can find stats on the net. My bad next time I will post my source Only 4% of rapes, by last counts, were reported. I think I provided you stats on acquintances. (I can use the same arguement against that stat too and say the opposite number were rapes by strangers but I WON'T) You said. "How the victim is dressed, where she is , what she says prior to the rape is all irrlevant information. The victim is the prey and the rapist is the predator." I agree partly. Opportunity is the key here. A weak lion (for these are what rapists are} will attack a disabled or a prey that is/has deviated from the flock, more than he would a prey who is surrounded.Walking around half naked, alone and drunk yell OPPORTUNITY OPPORTUNITY to me what do you think that dumb lion hears? Like I said I am not laying the blame on the woman but merely pointing out that sometimes their actions gets a negative reaction. (This is the demographic of females that get raped due to taking unneccesary risk not all the rape victims) Don't twist my thesis Do we learn with one part of us, feel angry with another, and desire the pleasures of eating and sex with another? Or do we employ our mind as a whole when our energies are employed in any of these ways? said a man.

^^^ Stigma stigma. We are a long way from tackling issues like these while we have boundaries like taboo and whatnot. **just a thought**

Originally posted by Faarax Brown: Better yet, no one should be sanctioned for expressing shock(Am actually shocked that people are shocked that they should be shocked). I just had a flashback of Joey (friends) expression when Rachel and Phoebe were plotting against Chandler and Monica (episode of finding out they were an item off course) Anyways back to the arguement reading. :cool:

Moot point sxb. Here are the current stats. 28% of rape victims are raped by husbands/boyfriends. 31 % of rape victims are raped by strangers. 90% of rape occured when either victim or attacker is drinking. Now Castro I am not trying to change society in any way. I go by the mantra of prevention is better than cure. I feel for those women that are raped I just have grievances with the ones that tempt the devil so to speak when they don't need to.

For every action there is a reaction sxb There are inconstistancies in this arguement but for the most part it holds water. I am in no way advocating that the perp. have no blame in this but I beleive the blame Most of the time can be split between the two. If you can't hold your alcohol don't drink to the point u lose control. If you do not want to get wolf whistles and leers do not dress in a provocative manner. If your end gain is to look good, there is plenty of clothing lines that make you look sexy without plunging neck lines and skirts that don't allow you to bend over :rolleyes: Ps:- the perp is totally to blame when the woman had nothing to do to draw such attention. There was a girl who was raped in Egypt who wore nikab I believe. These guys should be punished in the severest way possible. Catch my drift?