Originally posted by OG_Girl: [QB] ^^^ Tell me one single person who deserves in this clown cabinet!!!!!Tell me who elected others to represent their clan? No one but at least they are who they are? And they are appointed by their clan leaders (warlords, businessmen, clan elders and sometimes themselves) Well don't carry for Afmadow people and how peace loving people they are!to just exclude people from occupied Land!!! I said this because your uncle Jess spent more than 8 to kill in the name of the people of the region and when he lost run away to leave the people of that region to pick up the pieces. Because they come from the 'Occupied Land' doesn’t give them the right to represent other people in the name of sub-clan. Since whole goverment bassed by clan formula not by regions.. I think their cousins from Afmadow can apoint them since they are our closest by blood. So you telling me people from Afmadow don't have anyone better to represent? Think again! Anyone with a little knowledge of the people in Afmadow know that even before Tarah, Jess and likes came to Somali there were very highly qualified people from Afmadow people who were ministers, MPs, or any other profession. Only when people like you uncle came to Somila and played siyads Game of Militarizing, destroying Somali institutions the people of Afmadow lost their power. By the way Tarah and these from Afmadow not just sub-clan connection but we share 4th or 5th grand father so isn't even clan is family connection. Allahu Akbar! Most Somali tribes have connections with people in the neighboring countries (or Occupied Somali Lands). Some even have closer links then the one you mentioned but no other tribe or politician said I will represent because I am closer reletive. What happen was Scandal and no matter how they fake their backgrounds, they will stay outsiders. But there is not about where you from as your self explained earlier I think since every one agrees that the region is Somali and also people are Somali. They have right and all rights to represent their region in Somali government. Unless we (Somali people in the republic) belief there is no nation state called Somalia just tribal lands that used to be prior 1960s. Sorry for the length! I was just trying to make myself clearer.

Here is a big problem with Tarah, Jess and others from OG region. They took parliament seats allocated for Afmadow people by bribing Guy called Suldan Ali Sokor. The people who live in Waamo are 'masaakiin', peace loving so instead of creating lot of problems for the new parliament and the government they just kept quite. Tarah and Jess should not be in the Somali parliament nor should they be in the new government. But it’s like other injustices in Somali politics only time will solve.

NO it will not fail, on contrary it will succeed where all others fail because its priority is clear. Reward all the warlords so they can feel they have stake in the running or recreating government functions. I think the parliament will pass and the government will start to function. So please stop scaring people it will be just fine.

Originally posted by OG_Girl: quote:Wasaaradda Wershadaha, Md. Cabdi Maxamed Tarrax. (Afmadow ) :confused: To just make their freaking 4.5 work they even fake Identity of the people. If this guy from Afmadow I am from Bosaso!!! Salam This is another way of saying which tribe he is from and nothing to do with where he is from.

Smith However if guns are important then why should some important warlords be left out? Who? As I said before and the PM confirmed it today there are more ministers to come and the formula of 4.5 will be maintained. Next 24 hours more ministers including vice PMs will be announced. Look its in everyone’s interest that this project works and that we get a government. yes we have the gov and God willing it will move to our homeland soon. Also did the PM tell the 40 MP's from Somaliland that they would not get any important posts? They don’t have much to contribute in this face of the government bcause the priority is to sort out southern problem (Mogadishu to be precise). And what would happen if they all flew back to Hargaysa tommorrow because of the way they have been treated. we don’t need trophy ministers and it will be good for them to visit their families since they are exiles from home for long time. Somaliland issue will not be settle until and unless southern problem is solved i.e. Peace and security for the main cities. Don't be too emotional its just Somali politics. Nothing works the way it should be, always on the opposite side.

The new Somali government will be tight in budget so no need of double ministries and let us stop of Halla iska dhex arko excuse Any post conflict government should satisfy all big players if such government wants to work. This is just starting; you will see what happens when other posts are created including Directors. Similar things happen all other country that emerged from civil war such as Lebanon, Afghanistan and so forth.

Smith bro I don't know what made you so mad about this cabinet. You seem rushing before even the construction of the ministers finished. This leadership is trying to satisfy tribes and but also to satisfy all those groups that have guns which is alright to me. Neither justice nor equality was applied in Somali conferences in general and this one certainly indorsed the formula of 4.5. What most Somalis want is to have peace even if they lose out of ministerial portfolios. The Somaliland issue the MP did the right thing. He knows that sland group in Nairobi are not representative and they could create problems if prestige posts such as foreign ministers are awarded. So the guy knows how to play his cards well. We will see which minister will be rejected by the parliament and which one goes through. Before that keep the faith.

As usual Somalia are good in infighting and tend to ignore external threats. If one is incapable of running of one's own affairs always there are others that take advantage and run for them. Although it pains me a lot but it’s the realty of Somali people everywhere. Why Somalia and its politicians are always responsible for that region? We went two wars and both lost. And worse all the armed militias and their guns are once settled/organised from that region. First SYL was accused of letting this vast region go for clan politics then PM Abdirisak was accused of selling out to the Ethiopians. Then Egal and Siyad followed suit. The truth of the matter is that Somali intervention in early 60s and late 70s damaged the region and its people –make weak in their region, vast number left their land to settle in Somalia causing lot of communal conflicts, brain drain if any, lot of clan warfare in the region and so forth. The Somali politicians use the region as one of their political tools they use to solve their domestic crisis. Unless and until the people of the region wake up and realise that no one is caring about their problems then in short space of time there may not be any Somali region in Ethiopia anymore.

As usual Somalia are good in infighting and tend to ignore external threats. If one is incapable of running of one's own affairs always there are others that take advantage and run for them. Although it pains me a lot but it’s the realty of Somali people everywhere. Why Somalia and its politicians are always responsible for that region? We went two wars and both lost. And worse all the armed militias and their guns are once settled/organised from that region. First SYL was accused of letting this vast region go for clan politics then PM Abdirisak was accused of selling out to the Ethiopians. Then Egal and Siyad followed suit. The truth of the matter is that Somali intervention in early 60s and late 70s damaged the region and its people –make weak in their region, vast number left their land to settle in Somalia causing lot of communal conflicts, brain drain if any, lot of clan warfare in the region and so forth. The Somali politicians use the region as one of their political tools they use to solve their domestic crisis. Unless and until the people of the region wake up and realise that no one is caring about their problems then in short space of time there may not be any Somali region in Ethiopia anymore.

As usual Somalia are good in infighting and tend to ignore external threats. If one is incapable of running of one's own affairs always there are others that take advantage and run for them. Although it pains me a lot but it’s the realty of Somali people everywhere. Why Somalia and its politicians are always responsible for that region? We went two wars and both lost. And worse all the armed militias and their guns are once settled/organised from that region. First SYL was accused of letting this vast region go for clan politics then PM Abdirisak was accused of selling out to the Ethiopians. Then Egal and Siyad followed suit. The truth of the matter is that Somali intervention in early 60s and late 70s damaged the region and its people –make weak in their region, vast number left their land to settle in Somalia causing lot of communal conflicts, brain drain if any, lot of clan warfare in the region and so forth. The Somali politicians use the region as one of their political tools they use to solve their domestic crisis. Unless and until the people of the region wake up and realise that no one is caring about their problems then in short space of time there may not be any Somali region in Ethiopia anymore.

Smith Dear you seem to forgetting how this whole conference came about. It was by product of the failure of Somali people to organise in civilised way. Any attempt to create new Somalia failed. The last attempt by the most civil and intellectual society failed because of the reject by the warlords. Then warlords including our own president were given chance to form parliament and government. So they did. The 4.5 and warlords dictating how to set up Somali government was wrong concept but we didn't have any other choice. Did we? President’s sub-clan got 27 MPs but all that sub clan felt bad about the number. Now it seems it is re-corrected in some ways. The priority for the president and the PM is to try and pass this cabinet through the parliament. Walaal gari laba nin kama wada qosliso. If the president pleases some corners others will get mad so lets wait and see how things settle. My own sub clan was furious about how they were treated, yet I am 100% with the president and PM knowing the difficult task they are facing every step to normalise Somalia. So comedown things will only get better.

Hilarious Gadiid Thanks the energy you spent on research of our new cabinet. For last 14 years they had our country hostage now they are put on the spot lets see what they do.

Smith bro welcome back to the planet earth. The ministers reflect the parliament and the whole peace conference (appease the warlords). I think the president and the PM are very strategic about their choice and I think they are moving the right direction. The priority for this government is to achieve peace and security. That is why almost all warlords are in this fist cabinet.

13 technicals, such kind of arsenal in Mogadishu is possesed by the shop owners. With little imagination they could be Somali’s answer to those big defence industries in the world. Just give licence to export;)

Eid Mubarak to all brothers and sisters in this section and everywhere. Also nice to be back here after Ramadan break.

Originally posted by Xoogsade: Saxardiid, Ramadan Kariim Bro and nothing personal. Wixii kheyr leh Soomalida Ilaahay ha siiyo. Amiin bro and Ramadaan Kariim too. Waana Ramadaanoo qalbiga walaalaha muslimiinta waa in la ilaaliyaa. Dadka dhibaatada geystey waa niman kooban iyo inta taageerta ee Qoryaha u sidda ee ha oran dadka Xamar. Dadka Xamar are like you and Me. waa runtaa waana kugu raacsanahay laakiin for the sake of the discussion uu baan u isticmaalay xamar. sidoo kale marar badan waxaan isticmaalnaa gobolo magacyadooda si loo fahmo u jeedada dooda. Ulajeeddada aan adiga gaar ahaan kuula hadley waxa waaye, wax abaal marin la yiraahdo ma jirto ee waa duruufo waxa looga caraaraayo magaalo ee magaalo kalena loo tagaayo. Waxaan sxb isku dayaayey news aan wali la xaqiijin in aan discussion ah ka sameyno laakiin uma aan maleyneynin in ay heerkaan ila gaarayso. Mida hore neceyb aan u qabo xamar majiro oo waa magaaladii aan ku dhashay oo wali waxaa dagan reerkeena sidoo kale beydhabo waa meeshii aan ku soo koray oo hooyaday ayaaba ka timid wax ay iguu kala duwan yihiina majiraan laakiin maadaama xamar ay joogaan qolooyinkii aan horey u soo sheegay oo aadka u xoogbadnaa ayaan rabay in meel kale ay macquultahay laga wada hadlo. Adiga waxaad ka dhigtey markii hore kasbasho ku saleysan codeyn. Xataa haddii arrinta sidaa loo gartey, waa laga fiican yahay in si muuqaal ahaan loo baahiyo. Mida kale A/Y iyo sida uu codka ku heley iyo balanqaadyada uu sameeyey in aan iska qiyaaso mooyee sideen ku ogaanayaa. Caqliyaa loo baahan yahay. Dadka waxa keeni kara inuu ficil ku beermo waa laga ilaaliyaa. Gaar ahaan waqtiyadaan oo kale oo qof waliba mar marsiiyo raadinaayo uu Qofka kale u Khilaafo kana ciishoon yahay waayitaanka uu wax heli waayey. waa talo fiican oo nalooga wada baahan yahay sidaas daraadeed waad ku mahadsantahay sxb. I don't support men for the heck of it or they are related to me, but they have to earn it. SO DO I I think we understant each other now so Allow kheyrka nawaafaji

I just comeback from Taraawiih prayer so i felt that i should congratulate all Muslims and SOL members in particular the beginning of The holy month of Ramadaan. So I brother and sisters of Islam Ramadaan Kariim. I ask forgiveness for my pitfalls during last year or so. Similarly I forgive everyone in this group and every muslim every where. May Allah forgive us all and reward us our good deed during the holy month of Ramadaan.

Baashi Hadaba waxaan qabaa oo ay annigu ila tahay in si ku meel gaar ah Beydhabo looga dhigo hadaaney reer Beydhabo ogol yihiin. Dantu waa in Muqdishu si xeel ah oo aan dhiig ku daadan amaankeeda loo sugo deetana markii howlaha nabada laga hirgaliyo dib loogu laabto. Taasi waa tii aan soo jeediyey laakiin Baashi uun baa sikaxarago badan udhigay. Awalba dad ul booc ah kuugu taagsanaayey wax axsaan oo ay kuu sameyn lahaayeen baa iska yar. :confused: Maanan arag wax asxaan ah oo ay reer muqdisho (waa hadaan raaco sida aad magacaas u isticmaashaye) naxariis ay dad u galayaan, dadka xamar ladagan iyo kuwa dagan koonfurta xamar. Sidaas daraadeed emotion aan xaq aheynbaad noosooo bandigeysaa. Kii waxdilaayey ayuun baad xaqiina siineysaa. Midda kale shirkii carto gudigii loo xilsaaray in ay kasoo warbixiyaan xaalada caasimada ayaa soo jeediyey in Baydhabo la sii dajiyo dowlada inta xamar xasilooni lagu soo celinaayo. Balantaasna waxaa kabaxay c/qasim oo sidii laga baqaayey dhexgalay qabqablayaal dagaa oo aad u xoogbadan faa'iidadeedana waanwada heynaa.

Xoogsade I may agree with you some analysis of Arta failure but not about Mogadishu issue. If the new gov tries to go to Mogadishu at the moment they will fail with no time. There are well establish system of anti gov from big businesses, Islamic courts, private militias etc. and its very difficult for a newly created gov to take hold of it. What I think is very practical and long-term beneficial to the new admin and Somali people in general is to establish admin in a place near to Mogadishu while Mogadishu’s situation is getting better -order establishes, port opens etc. "Paying back" concept is real in politics whether in Somalia or outside. AY gets his support from two constituencies other than his tribe and they are reer baidao and group 5. He will pay back to both groups in different ways. As far as reer baidao concern I said its rumor but its one I would like to have heard confirmed. Come on sxbyaal this is politics don't make everything holy. I put different view points and you have every right to rubbish it. Mogadishu is Somali city as Baidao is but Baidao is more favorable then Mogadishu at the moment. If reer Baidao (their MPs off course) voted AY strategically while reer most of reer Mogadishu (their MPs off course) challenged him then reer baidao must get their reward. If your suggestion is proved to be right and reer Mogadishu improve the situation of the capital then there is no cause to move the capital temporarily (may be 2-3 years) to baidao. So sxb Xoogade, Rahima amd MMA tell me how we can have admin working from hotels in Somalia?

"Everything has been destroyed. They are starting from ground zero," said the Kenyan ambassador to Somalia, Mohammed Affey. I hope rebuilding started already on Sunday evening. God help our beloved country, amiin.

Nugaali The Palestinians don't want peace, coz if they did, they'd taken Ehud Barak's offer. They want the impossible task of kicking out ALL Jews from Palestine. That'll happen in Yomul Qiyaama. sxb. You reciting Zionist propaganda and misinformation. What Barak/ Clinton put on the table after years of negations was something look neither nor occupation. It was just recycled old Israeli tricks and coupled with big propaganda statement. What you call place where its people can't control its borders, its ports, airports, water wells, can't have army, their refugee will stay as refugee in their camps and no prospect of coming back to their homeland, have 95% land (pre 67 land i.e. Gaza and West Bank) but not most strategic places such as all the main roads, large camps in west bank will stay and fanny enough Israeli army will stay as the camps will be under Israeli sovereignty, even the 3rd most sacred mosque for Muslims will be compromised as they suggest they will have "underneath historical link", and most of us know what that means. So bro if you want to have meaningful discussion with nomads here who are passionate about supporting those indefensible people please read and try to understand other side’s issue. You must know Palestinian people aren't those who came across oceans to steal the land of other people.

As far as Ethiopia being happy, of course they would be. They've had to endure thousands of Somali refugees for 14 years. They want the refugees to safely return to their homes in Somalia, provided that the President-Elect, the PM and the Cabinet can implement such action. Kenya is happy, Djibouti is happy. If my neighbor's house was burning and the fire department put the fire out, I'd be happy, too. Atleat we won't get lots of guns for those warlords. So the pres should use dantaada maqaar eey ayaa loogu seexdaa policy until we can stand our two feet. then we can be equalls again. that is not dream you know.