Peace Action;788699 wrote: Mintid, Don't celebrate too soon. The prediction was in 2008 and now we are in 2012 and you have to add more phony non existent mini states such as Ras Casayer or West Puntland State. You have taken a position without merit and are trying to find facts to fit your ideology. Khaatumo state of Somalia is more of a daggar in the heart of secession of Somaliland. than a threat to Puntland. The foolish war Silaanyo is waging against the people of Buuhoodle guarantees that the D block will never be part of secession. When oil started to follow, insha Allah, even you with so much hatred are welcome to share and that is how Puntland will bring Somalis together. Peace Action, I understand the issue is an emotional one for you. But no need to project that emotionalism on me. There's no hatred in the words, only an accounting of events as they've taken place during the last few years. I brought back an old thread following a certain trend - which is simply an observation of where things have been heading thus far. If you disagree, take the theory apart, show where the holes are, and present an alternative interpretation. That's the true joy of debate within this Forum. Don't scream in futility like Xiin - prattling on and on about your visceral hatred for 'Mintid' and his thoughts.

It seems with the monthly proclamations of mini-fiefdoms (which are actually on the ground as opposed to being formed in diaspora capitals) that the devolution has picked up steam in recent months - with the proclamation of Raas Caseyr, West Puntland, the announcements of previously pro-Puntland Makhiri and Sool communities that they no longer come under Puntland but rather stand as separate Federal States under the TFG (Khaatumo and Makhir). Ngonge, It seems Faroole has lasted and continues to thrive in his personal projects for his family...

There's also concern re:this Conference from non-Somali corners as well. IGAD is concerned it will map a new trajectory for dealing with the Somalia issue separate from the IGAD/AU mandate for the 'Road Map' and threaten the financial receipts IGAD countries receive from their military involvement (as well as threatening their newly acquired trusteeship over new Somali territories their militaries operate in currently). The French are concerned regarding the open-ended financial contributions demanded of them by the continuous AMISOM deployment with no 'political' progress visible on the ground. The British have backpedaled from calling the 'London Conference' a game-changer to admitting no single conference can be a cure for Somalia's ills. The Americans as the key pendulum swinger, thus far, are keeping their cards very close to their chests and continue operating within the 'dark' military realm of 'special operations'. Story continues to develop...

Lots of kudos to the Somaliland-British communities those MPs represent for directly linking their support for their MPs to the Somaliland issue.

Djibouti leader holds talks with Somaliland president 9 February 2012 BBC Monitoring Africa English © 2012 The British Broadcasting Corporation. All Rights Reserved. No material may be reproduced except with the express permission of The British Broadcasting Corporation. Text of report by state-owned Djibouti news agency ADI website The head of state, Mr Ismail Omar Guelleh, on Wednesday [8 February] received the president of Somaliland, Mr Ahmed Mahamoud Silanyo, who was leading a large delegation from his country. President Silanyo, who arrived in Djibouti today and was welcomed at the airport by Prime Minister Dileita Mohamed Dileita, was accompanied, in line with his working mission, by a strong delegation including the minister for presidential affairs, Mr Hirsi Ali Hadji Hassan, and that of the interior, Mr Mohamed Nour Arreh. Among the members of this delegation, is also the wife of the Somaliland head of state, Madam Amina Waris Cheick Mohamed. Bilateral relations of friendship and cooperation were at the centre of discussions between President Guelleh and the leader of Somaliland during their meeting held at the Presidential Palace. "My working visit to Djibouti precisely gives us the opportunity to strengthen our relations further", said Mr. Ahmed Mahamoud Silanyo in a statement to the press at the end of his talks with the head of the Djiboutian State. Many other issues of common interest were raised on the same occasion, the two parties having reaffirmed their commitment to work towards the maintenance of peace and security in the region. Asked about the participation of his country in the London Conference to assist Somalia to turn the page of the endless fratricidal war and chaos, President Silanyo indicated that Somaliland will participate effectively in these sessions following an invitation from the host country. "This, however, does not mean that we are giving in , in any way whatsoever, to what for many years have been our dearest desire, that of having access to the international recognition and our place in the concert of nations", he continued. Source: ADI news agency website, Djibouti, in French 8 Feb 12

All will become clear during the London Conference. If the new leadership of the Khaatumo project is allowed to participate in the Conference, then the Khaatumo gamble will have paid off (in all honesty). If, however, they're denied participation as a region/stakeholder, then it will be a set back for the architects of the Khaatumo project. Let's wait till late February.

But I do admire his idealism (Carafaat). My words of advice above should not be taken in a negative light. But those universal thoughts of brotherhood and solidarity with your neighbor should be first taken down South and after the results are in full display, then the dialogue can begin concerning relations...

Carafaat, saaxiib, as idealistic as your ideas are, they're not having much traction among Somalilanders. You sound like the old Communist parties in the West during the Cold War who used to extol the utopia of Socialism. But the population wasn't listening. Make your peace with the sentiment of the people. You claim you were in Somaliland for 2 years recently. If that's correct, you're well aware of what the feeling is back home. Even the opponents of Somaliland such as the Khaatumo supporters write of how 'brainwashed with the idea of separation' the masses are in Somaliland. So, my friend, it's getting a bit tiring listening to this mantra that no-one on our side wants to hear. I suggest you start preaching those wonderful 'ideas' a bit further South... Just some friendly advice.

AUN! The man was highly eloquent in Somali as well as English. Fellow Somalilanders, do you remember during those days the SL gov't controlled less than 1/3 of Hargeisa. And look at today - What a long journey forward it's been. Insha'Allah, Kheyr for the future

Somehow I don't think that's what your 'Garaad A&T' was saying. If anything, he distanced himself from the likes of you to show that his beliefs are somewhat different. Abtigiis;782893 wrote: Laakin waxaa ogahay dad badan oo Iley ku qalqaalinayey inuu u hiiliyo Khaatumo. This is rubbish and nonesense. The history of the peoples of Somaliland and the ONLF people is a long, storied history that much Somali folklore has been spent on. It's a complicated relationship stretching back centuries. Much of the classical 'suugaanta Soomaalida' is based on the social interactions and conflicts between the two people. - The two groups also share a similar culture in the outbacks of the Haud where there's much intermingling(intermarriage) as well as conflict between them. In order for us to 'pick up our guns'(as you put it), some transgressions of the past will first have to be acknowledged and accounted for. Your garaad, Abtigiis(A&T), and I had a very productive conversation regarding this matter a few years back. Until that bridge is crossed on your part, I believe you're on your own.... Finally, I give you full permission to call me what ever name strikes your fancy on these boards. And don't be so angry - I posed a legitimate question that some, even on your side saw as warranted.

Waan kuu daayey, Zack. Waad damiinatey

Somalia;783269 wrote: What an absolute embarrassment. I actually feel sorry for the secessionists. Xaaji Xunjuf, soo gal, where are you? The sun must be really hot in pirate-land Can't believe this fellow thinks this is an actual true story...

The Zack;783240 wrote: In that case, we need to wake Xiin up from this long sleep :D Good luck waking him up. Anaga wuu nagu sasaa markuu meelahaa naga soo uriyo

The Zack;783234 wrote: Oodka and Mintid. Xiin knows it is a fact, maybe he is still busy exciting with the sister-state. Idinku, you understand that this is for the entire Somalia, right? It is not just for the south. The document highlights how the 18 gobols will be represented and what so. Precisely. But we're going to fight it tooth and nail. Unlike others who all they see, even in their dreams/nightmares, is the Somaliland shadow...

The Zack;783224 wrote: It is a fact and not a blatant utterance. Tell that to your buddy Xiin. He's having a hard time comprehending. Don't know quite what he consumed at the Khaatumo party.

Oodweyne, You're dead wrong. Right now as we speak there are magnificent 'taallooyin' being built in Garowe and Bosasso in the images of Abshir Boyah and the rest of the illustrious pirate commanders. After all, it's the proceeds from their 'noble profession' that has built the bulk of those towns! (according to Chatham House research...) http://www.chathamhouse.org/publications/papers/view/181277

Oodweyne;783149 wrote: Mintid ,.. :D His is impotent man raging against the long past dead of a night, in which he knows, will not be returning soon to him. Hence, that, we behold his impotent rage, on a daily basis, is really a music to my ears; and, I am sure it's to you, indeed... :D Xaaji Xunjuf;783154 wrote: Hada sheekadu waxay maraysa reerkaagan aqaana Xiin waleh cawa albaabku madaxa la dhacayaa , waxay ka gaadhay wax baan jecelahay:D Xaaji and Oodweyne, Give him a slight break. Soon he will start regaling us with stories he’s heard from geriatric politicians of his kin(retired in Minnesota) reliving their failed political ambitions of the 1960’s. And throw in one or two irrelevant gabay/maanso only heard in a waterless, pirate-filled village

xiinfaniin;783130 wrote: Macno Yare, I like how you are rattled and worked up about the changes taking place before your eyes. This year is gonna be good for Somalia, and there is nothing you or your grieve-stricken lot can do about it. Just watch this space , as the political schemes others devised for you take shape . Remember, where Somali matters are discussed whether Garowe or London, you are not at the table , instead you are on the table . The exhibits keep multiplying... Then in the next thread he will tell us he loves his brothers from the North - if they would only see the light and join the Somalia family. Afkiisu iyo Dhegihiisu isma maqlaan... Cajiib....

Xiin, adigu Minnesota iyo xafladahii inooga sii wad... And keep us updated on how many showed up...

MoonLight1;783117 wrote: Yes indeed misery loves company, and that applies to ppl who scream and worry when ever they feel there is a hint of peace and stability approaching the south as they know this secessionist project can only be feasable while the south in in a mess, a stable Somalia will demolish this sick separatism which is coming to a T janction. Saaxiib, I don't want to share a political umbrella with you (having formed my own functional one, in spite of your continuous undermining) but I still would like for you to keep your sovereignty as a fellow Somali. That's the difference between you and I!

Qandalawi;783112 wrote: This is not actually a bad idea. I welcome it, colonise the bloody backward franchised and divided Somalis. As people of the same ethnic group there needs to be a uniting factor and sense of belonging that which is absent right now, perhaps with colonisation maybe a possibility to break the deadlock. Waxaan maqli jiray ha israacdo diidayee, ha israamsato. Kala danbayn wadatashi iyo inaad isutalisaan diidayee hala idiin taliyo maxaa kafiican. Exhibit #2

MoonLight1;783099 wrote: Well what I am sure is if Italy takes South Somalia, than the conference holders and that is IGLANDH will go back to its children in the north. (Nin waliboow ceesaantiisa ceel geesay). This is precisely the mentality I was describing to you, Oodweyne. The suffering of their people is a joke to them as long as you're suffering with them. That makes it acceptable. Waliba wuu isla qumanyahay.... Cajiib! I rest my case (I didn't think an exhibit would so quickly present himself..LOL)

Oodweyne, You're preaching to the deaf, dumb, and blind here. For as we tell them they're being led to full trusteeship and total loss of sovereignty, they will answer back: "Will this calamity include Somaliland as well? Because we want Somaliland there with us in the abyss!"

Gentlemen, I, initially, asked a question regarding certain behavior in certain quarters which puzzled me. Abtigiis answered the question loud and clear. End of story...

As usual it's difficult to keep up with the positions of our brothers from the ONLF (at least the ones on SOL). On one hand we're subjected to regular postings condemning the 'traitorous' administration of Jigjiga led by some of their cousins. Yet on the other hand, when that administration engages in actions seen as detrimental to Somaliland, it quickly becomes 'a glorious administration'. Kind of reminds you of the silence/agreement of the same faction when Afweyne signed the infamous accord with Mengistu giving up rights to the occupied Somali territories in Ethiopia proper.