Xaaji, both the previous administration and the current admin made the mistake of jailing Burmadow. It's counterproductive to their own goals since all it accomplishes is precisely what Burmadow wishes for: fame and to see his name in the headlines! Suuq baaba loo yeeley... And more importantly sets precedents for the extra-legal incarceration of citizens. I thought the Siilaanyo administration campaigned on the abolishment of the 'state of emergency' under Rayaale which legally justified these sorts of jailings.

Xaaji Xunjuf;810470 wrote: ^ Buurmadow wa ninki yidhi maxakiimta iyo dawlada cabdilahi Yusuf aniga heshisinaya 2006 wa nin walaan Yes, Xaaji, laakiin ma waali baa loo xidhey??? Mise wax kale...

Sayid*Somal;810461 wrote: @ spent a quite intellectual muscle what was that saying - "Mintid fara yar midhihii bataa kama macaashaan" Mintid - might never equals right - no matter what situation it is deployed. In the big scheme of things, you're correct, Sayid. Unfortunately, we, geeljires, have not matured from the 'might' mentality of the Hobbesian jungle. It's only when we cause each other needless harm and death, that rationale sets in. Never mind, the attempts by others to hijack the meaning of the thread and turn it to something else. But obviously you don't suffer from the insecurities others suffer from when they read 'Mintid Farayar' as the poster. Always a pleasure, Sayid...

Exactly, my dear old Xiinny. Aduunkoo dhan baa sidaa yidhi - Somaliland is democratic with its own independent constitution. Just google it and you might get a heart attack from all the international articles stating thus

xiinfaniin;810445 wrote: I spent a quite intellectual muscle to come up with the Macno Yare term for this Mintid guy Che, why limited in your view? Because I point out what other analysts of regional affairs (such as the writers of Africa Confidential - posted above, who mostly happen to be retired British MI-6 analysts) also point out? Might is still what's respected in the region, unfortunately. Not much progress contrary to our dearest wishes when you see how this played out (Gashaamo incidents).

Addis Ababa officials worry that a view of their country as a regional bully will cause resentment and undermine its diplomatic effectiveness. In February, Somaliland President Ahmed Mohamed ‘Silanyo’ visited Addis to consolidate relations. He also criticised the role of Ethiopia’s Somali Region special police, the Liyu, along the Somaliland-Puntland border in supporting the Sool, Sanaag and C’ayn clans, and in allowing easy travel to politicians who participated in the Taleh conference, which set up the Khatumo State. Ethiopia does not favour Khatumo, we hear, but it may have received a friendly reception from the President of Ethiopia’s Somali Region, Abdi Iley, because of clan connections. http://www.africa-confidential.com/article/id/4392/Empire-building_in_Addis

^^Saxib, ha xanaaqin if throwing saliva from the corridors of diaspora living has failed to change the game on the ground

It seems things haven't changed all that much in the region. The recent clashes in Gashaamo attest to that. The current leadership of Kilil 5 has shown itself to have a clannist aversion to Somaliland & has steadily been increasing pressure on the majority clans within Somaliland that inhabit portions of Kilil 5(Somali Region of Ethiopia). In the latest episode, when the subclan of Gashaamo presented a muscular reaction to the forces of Abdi Iley (current ruler of Kilil 5), the tone changed with a call for peace from Abdi Iley's admin and meetings between the traditional leaders of Gashaamo and Kilil 5's top leadership on how to cool the situation. Needless waste of human life...

NGONGE;810408 wrote: War disagree with the Boqor. Hate the boqor even. But when it comes to jailing someone without proper charge or procedures, you need to turn your attention towards Siilaanyo and his government, saaxib. This is not for the Boqor himself but for YOU. What if you do something that Siilaanyo's government does not like tomorrow? Would you want to be treated the same way? Support the Boqor, Xaaji. It's for your own good, saaxib. Totally agree with you, NG. The current admin seems a bit thin-skinned to criticism. Supremacy of the law and legal procedures should be nurtured in the developing world to cut away from the past of authoritarianism. Burmadow can be a bit irresponsible at times but he's entitled to full citizen privileges of 'innocent till proven guilty'. The Somaliland legal system needs to mature from the African/Arab system of jail first and then 'ask questions later'. Those who've traditionally opposed the sovereignty of Somaliland are allowed to return to the country (contrary to constitutional provisions) without a public rejection of their previous positions yet critics of administration policy are promptly jailed. Yaa dunya...

Explains why my relatives are always calling in the middle of the night to inform me 'another hustler is claiming your land again'. Could be a bubble, could be not... We don't have the proper econ stats to really come to an educated guess.

It seems some are waking up to the significance of that article (#6) signed in London. Just 2 weeks ago, most were claiming it was irrelevant till Faroole sounded the alarm. Now all of a sudden, some are attempting to reshape the coming talks by changing who gets to sit on the two opposing seats. I believe Faroole's fear is based on a perception that the current TFG might not be up to the task of negotiating with the Somaliland leadership (and sees his administration as far more capable in that regard than the TFG). It also shows a lack of confidence in the Prime Minister to effectively champion Puntland's interests in those negotiations, if they do occur before August. This opens another area of conflict between the Garowe Principles participants. And the game continues...

And the jockeying commences... I wonder how much support he has on the ground. Will the Ugandans and Ethiopians attempt to block his attempts to revive his role? How will this affect the Roadmap and Garowe Principles, given that he hails from communities not represented in that agreement? Many questions come to mind...

NASSIR;797454 wrote: Abdikhadar, The Economist is a conservative political magazine with colonial agenda. We should look at its publications about Somalia with caution. I like The New York Times. ^^ Your 'liked' NY Times sounds even more negative/cynical on the 'Somalia' situation Read below... February 22, 2012 World Leaders Are Meeting in a Script All Too Familiar to Somalis By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN TABDA, Somalia — On Thursday, foreign policy heavyweights will gather in London and spend about six hours trying to solve a problem that has bedeviled this forlorn country for more than 20 years: establishing a functional government. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, Secretary General Ban Ki-moon of the United Nations, Prime Minister David Cameron of Britain, Arab sheiks, Turkish diplomats and other representatives from about 40 countries are all scheduled to file into Lancaster House, a stately building near Buckingham Palace, for the latest in a long string of high-powered international efforts to fix Somalia. But here on the ground, in scorching-hot Somali villages like Tabda, where people live in twig huts and stagger from shady spot to shady spot to avoid the wrath of the sun, there is laughing disbelief that any conference 4,000 miles away will solve anything. “Another conference?” asked Ahmed Madobe, an Islamist warlord who is the de facto power in this area. “Every day you call a conference, and what’s been done? You need to involve the people on the ground, those who have suffered, to rebuild this country from scratch.” A group of elders sitting under an acacia tree heartily agreed. They all spoke of very prosaic needs. “We need food,” said Ibrahim Mahamoud Mohamed. “We need animals,” said Abdullahi Sheik Ahmed. Western diplomats say the key to Somalia’s problems, like poverty, piracy, famine and two decades of civil war, is more international support for Somalia’s fledging Transitional Federal Government and the small local administrations that are starting to assert themselves across the country. One of the goals of the London conference is solidifying a plan for what happens in August, when the mandate of the transitional government ends. But the conference is not expected to produce many surprises — especially since a draft of the final communiqué popped up on Somali Web sites more than a week ago. “We agreed that this is a critical time in Somalia’s history,” the communiqué begins. It goes on to add: “So we met in London to take stock, and to take decisions which will sustain the momentum of change.” British officials declined to comment, but other Western officials said that the draft was authentic and that the leak was thoroughly embarrassing for Mr. Cameron. Apparently, the document had been shared with Somali officials, who then passed it around freely. Britain has not been a big player in Somalia for years, and Mr. Cameron’s original interest was in piracy. London is a hub of the global shipping industry, which spends billions of dollars on higher insurance premiums and security to protect ships from Somalia’s indefatigable pirates. Late last year, Mr. Cameron offered to host a major conference on Somalia, citing terrorism concerns and saying the country had become “a failed state that directly threatens British interests.” Likewise, American officials believe Somalia has become a sanctuary for some very dangerous men. Just this month, the most fearsome Somali insurgent group, the Shabab, known for chopping off hands and starving its own people, announced it had officially joined Al Qaeda. The Shabab, though, seem to be losing territory rapidly. On Wednesday, Ethiopian troops and militias allied with Somalia’s government took control of Baidoa, a market town that used to be a Shabab base (and the seat of the transitional government before that). Shabab fighters raced out of town as the Ethiopian forces approached. Residents rejoiced. Western countries have shied away from sending their own troops into Somalia’s morass, aside from the occasional special forces strike, like the one last month when American commandos swooped in and rescued two aid workers who had been kidnapped by a heavily armed gang. Instead, the approach has been to give Western money and Western weapons to African armies to stamp out the Shabab. But it has not been so easy. Around 10,000 African Union peacekeepers are fighting it out in Somalia, and their mission has turned into one of the bloodiest peacekeeping operations of recent times, with more than 500 soldiers killed. On Wednesday, the United Nations approved increasing the force to nearly 18,000 peacekeepers. The expanded African Union mission is most likely to incorporate several thousand Kenyan infantrymen who crossed into Somalia in October in the most ambitious military assault Kenya has undertaken since its independence in 1963. The Kenyans called their incursion Operation Linda Nchi, or Operation Protect the Nation, branding the Shabab a regional threat and vowing to take over Kismayo, a port town and a major Shabab stronghold, within a few weeks. But four months later, the Kenyan troops are still miles from Kismayo, and their biggest military gains have been capturing a bunch of impoverished villages like Tabda that few have ever heard of. Even in December, a guest columnist wrote in The Daily Nation, Kenya’s biggest newspaper, “Operation Linda Nchi is starting to get stale.” Many analysts contrast Kenya’s tortoise pace with the lightning offensive in which the Ethiopian military, with covert American help, punched into Somalia in 2006, ousted an Islamist group then in control and seized the southern half of the country in about a week. But the Kenyans may be on to something. They say if they race ahead too fast, without stabilizing the areas they occupy, the Shabab will be able to regroup behind them. That is precisely what happened in the Ethiopian invasion: Within a few months, the Shabab began launching guerilla attacks and were soon taking back town after town. “Time is not important,” insisted Brig. J. M. Ondieki, the commander of the Kenyan troops. “We must secure the areas to make sure the Shabab does not gain a foothold as we move forward.” Military experts say wars are won with logistics, and if that is the case, the Kenyans have their work cut out for them. During a trip this week organized for foreign journalists to show off Kenya’s war-fighting machine, a Kenyan military plane got a flat tire and a Kenyan military chopper broke down, stranding several foreign journalists at a small dusty field base for the night. But the Kenyan soldiers were excellent hosts. They provided each of the hapless — and filthy — journalists with a cot, a mattress, a blanket, a sheet, a towel and a bar of soap, along with a tasty dinner of ugali (a polentalike starch) and goat. Mohamed Ibrahim contributed reporting from Mogadishu, Somalia. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/23/world/africa/world-leaders-meeting-in-london-to-discuss-somalia.html?sq=somalia&st=cse&scp=4&pagewanted=print

MMA, The member simply had to refute the guess. The issue has nothing to do with whether 'Dad waaweyn la yahay' or not. The mentioned member engaged in the silly old-school concept that being a women is negative. But do not attribute those chauvinistic traits to Mintid. The accusation is extremely resented. The moderators do not interfere in members calling each other 'prostitutes' and similar terms. But it's a crime to guess that someone might be female? Aduunyo. I'll leave it at that...

ElPunto;797419 wrote: ^LOL - clearly I threaten you. And thus the sad resort to sisterhood. It's not an insult to be a sister but then what you're insinuating isn't that. Pie in the sky for 20 plus years yet oil exploration and drilling is.... Give us 20 years and we'll acknowledge it if nothing happens. Talk about a wailer! El Punto, This is precisely the type of dissembling I'm referring to. You first claim it's an insult to be a 'sister', and now it's not. But regardless of your gender, your arguments/retorts are predictable (as shown by the previous postings). Your silly 'waabis' about reporting to the moderators do not do your age justice

ElPunto;797409 wrote: ^My dear chap - don't engage in the clannish zero sum game here. Plenty of failing regions have and continue to produce and export oil. But let's put it this way - if in 20 years nothing has happened to advance those oil plans one iota - I promise I won't put on the rosy tinted glasses that you have been carrying for the last 20. Didn't I warn the Oodweyne and the audience? El Punto admits here the failed region condition Puntland finds itself in on the one hand, yet negates the much-accepted accomplished of Somaliland with the sole detail of 'lack of international recognition'. ElPunto;797411 wrote: Sad individual who keeps referring to me as a sister. You're only debasing yourself with that pathetic kind of talk. I have reported you to the mods. Be forewarned. As for referring to you as a 'sister' (as you put it), El Punto, I wasn't aware that it was an insult to be of the 'female' gender So report away...

Oodweyne, I warned you in advance. This is not Duke or 'mad mule' Xiin - you're dealing with a sister far more practiced in debate double-speak. She knows the pirate oil is a mirage but will go around in circles equating that fairy tale with the one area Somaliland has yet to triumph - the issue of recognition. Never mind all the far more important indicators of state-formation and representative governance existent in Somaliland - that will be irrelevant in the argument thrown at you.

And the love flows from the usual quarters

Oodweyne;797387 wrote: ^^^ :D If you were a betting man..... Oodweyne, To correct you for a second, something tells me El Punto is not male.

Quoting the Economist: 'Furthermore, America and the West have no immediate plans to bestow recognition on Somaliland, the de facto fully autonomous area in the north-west of the country that was ruled by Britain during the colonial era before Somalia’s independence in 1964. Nowadays it is the best-run and safest part of Somalia.' 'Rival anti-Shabab Somali administrations, based largely on clans, are entrenching themselves in their respective areas. Somaliland, where the **** clan predominates under a more or less democratic mandate, has a strong lobby, especially in Britain, seeking to gain full independence. The Ethiopians trade with Somaliland and use its port of Berbera but hold back from endorsing full independence. Puntland, according to a Western diplomat, is “about 10-12 years behind Somaliland” but seeks to entrench the autonomy it has achieved within a federal Somalia. Its president, Muhammad Farole, has support from the diaspora in Australia.' I hope the continuous repetition of these points by the international media will not give some here on these Boards a mild heart attack

^^^^

Carafaat;797320 wrote: Further then this I cant go with speculating. But please do tell us mighty minti. Flattery and appeasement don't work on a 'geeljire' Or didn't they teach you that in Xamar Cadey?

Oodweyne;797313 wrote: But, still, for what is worth, it would have been a refreshing site to see the leaders and the pundits of Somalia having a the merest clue of the hand that was dealt to them in that conference. Instead of forever being satisfied with a blinding symbolism of the whole thing. The so-called leaders of Somalia are only good for writing reviews pertaining to the myriad global cities and hotels they hop around weekly on such popular websites as 'TripAdvisor' and 'Lonely Planet'.... You're asking far too much of them...

In other words, no answer outside of regurgitating what every teenager knows who read the blueprint/roadmap concocted in Nairobi. You can do better than that. Care to take another shot? Remember, foreigners have their plans and Somalis have their actions with an annoying tendency to frustrate those plans...

Oodweyne, You should charge for your lessons. These kids are obviously not enrolled in the proper schools... Only ones approved by Eedo Xalimo