Tallaabo and Ngonge, thanks for the legal point - but it would be 'politically astute' to hand them over. Unless the legal system in Puntland(I'm also including Somali 'Xeer' in here, since that does qualify as an indigenous legal system) is so disfunctional, it can't be trusted to convict these killers...

It would make sense to hand the killers to the region where the crime was committed, in this case - Puntland. Let their justice system deal with them. Just my humble opinion...

Somaliland oo sheegtay in la qabtay Rag looga shakisan yahay inay ka tirsan yihiin kooxdii dishay Sheekh Gacmey Talaado, Feberaayo 19, 2013 (HOL) — Guddoomiye ku xigeenka koowaad ee xisbiga talada haya ee KULMIYE, Maxamed Kaahin Axmed ayaa sheegay inay qabteen laba nin oo lagu xidhiidhinayo dilkii loo geystay Sheikh Cabdiqaadir Gacamay oo dhowaan lagu dilay magaaladda Garowe ee Puntland. Guddoomiye ku xigeenka koowaad ee xisbiga Kulmiye waxa uu sheegay in somalilnad tahay meesha ugu badan ee lagu qabto argagixisaddda falalka ka geysta Soomaaliya. “In alaale iyo intii argagixiso wax fulisay Somaliland-baa ugu badan oo qabatay hal dhacdo oo Somaliland ah may qabsan”ayuu yidhi gudoomiye ku xigeenka kowaad ee xisbiga KULMIYE Maxamed Kaahin oo sheegay in rag argagixiso ah oo Soomaaliya dambi ka soo galay ay inta badan qabtaan. Maxamed Kaahin waxa kale oo uu sheegay in ay qabteen rag looga shakisan yahay inay ka dambeeyeen dilkii loo geystay wadaadkiii lagu dilay Garowe oo lagu qabtay magaaladda Laascaanood ee gobolka Sool. “Argagixisadu wax fulisa intooda ugu badan waxa lagu qabtaa Somaliland, kuwii ugu dambeeyay ee Sheekha dilka ugu gaystay Garoowe habeen saddexaadkii ayaa lagu qabtay Laascaanood, arimahaasina baraarugsanaanta shacabku qayb weyn ayay ka qaadatay” ayuu shalay meel fagaare ah ka sheegay gudoomiyuhu qabashada labadaas nin. Dhinaca kale, Taliye ku xigeenka qaybta Booliska ee gobolka Sool C/laahi Siciid Guuleed ayaa sheegay inay gacanta ku dhigeenn laba qof oo lala xidhiidhinayo inay ka dambeeyeen dilkii sheikh Cabdiqaadir Nuur Faarax ee Garoowe ka dhacay. “Waxaanu qabanay laba nin oo Garoowe agteeda gaadhi ka soo kireystay, labada nin midkood waa kuwii falka gaystay, midna gacan ayuu siinayey”ayuu yidhi taliye ku xigeenka qaybta booliska ee gobolka Sool C/llaahi Siciid oo ka hadlayey labadan ee ay qabteen. Taliyuhu waxa uu sheegay in labadan nin baadhitaan ku socdo, marka hawshaasi dhamaatana maxkamada la hor keeni doono, isago intaas ku daray in ciidanka gobolka heegan buuxda la galiyey. Si kastaba ha ahaatee, ciidanka amniga ayaa heegan buuxda la galiyey, iyadoo habeenkii aad loo baadho gaadiidka, halka gaadiidka magaaladda soo galayana si feejin loo baadho. Barkhad-Ladiif M. Cumar, Hiiraan Online barkhadladiif@hiiraan.com Hargeysa, Somaliland http://www.hiiraan.com/news/2013/Feb/wararka_maanta19-20946.htm

Exclusive: U.N. monitors see arms reaching Somalia from Yemen, Iran By Louis Charbonneau UNITED NATIONS | Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:56am EST (Reuters) - As the United States pushes for an end to the U.N. arms embargo on Somalia, U.N. monitors are reporting that Islamist militants in the Horn of Africa nation are receiving arms from distribution networks linked to Yemen and Iran, diplomats told Reuters. The U.N. Security Council's sanctions monitoring team's concerns about Iranian and Yemeni links to arms supplies for al Shabaab militants come asYemen is asking Tehran to stop backing armed groups on Yemeni soil. Last month Yemeni coast guards and the U.S. Navy seized a consignment of missiles and rockets the Sanaa government says were sent by Iran. According to the latest findings by the monitoring group, which tracks compliance with U.N. sanctions on Somalia and Eritrea, most weapons deliveries are coming into northern Somalia - that is, the autonomous Puntland and Somaliland regions - after which they are moved farther south into Shabaab strongholds. The supply chains in Yemen are largely Somali networks in that country, council diplomats said on condition of anonymity. "In Galguduud (central Somalia), Shabaab received arms, including IED (improvised explosive device) components," a Security Council diplomat said, referring to one of the Somalia/Eritrea Monitoring Group's most recent confidential reports. Several other council diplomats confirmed his remarks. Other weapons supplied included PKM machine guns, said the group's monthly report for January. The monitors were scheduled to informally brief Security Council members on Friday but the meeting was canceled due to a major snowstorm, diplomats said. The U.N. monitors favor a gradual easing of the arms embargo rather lifting it as the Americans and the Somali government advocate, the diplomats said. Yemen is proving to be of central importance for arming Shabaab, the monitors' reporting shows, both because it is feeding arms into northern Somalia and because it has become a playing field for Iranian interests in Somalia and elsewhere. The U.N. Security Council's Panel of Experts on Iran, which monitors compliance with the Iran sanctions regime, including the arms embargo on Tehran, is also looking at Yemen and evidence of Iranian arms shipments across Africa, council diplomats told Reuters. Iran's U.N. mission did not respond immediately to a request for comment. The monitors found Iranian and North Korean-manufactured weapons that came to Somalia viaLibya at a base of the U.N.-backed African Union peacekeeping force in Somalia. Diplomats who follow the issue said the arms were apparently recovered by the peacekeepers and raised important questions. "Why are Iranian and North Korean small arms finding their way into Somalia from Libya? Do they date from before the arms embargoes (against both North Korea and Iran)? How did they get there from Libya?" a council diplomat asked. "It certainly emphasizes the point that Somalia is a country awash with arms and still very fragile," the diplomat said. CONCERNS ABOUT LIFTING ARMS EMBARGO U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has said the 15-nation council should consider lifting the arms embargo to help rebuild Somalia's security forces and consolidate military gains against the al Qaeda-linked al Shabaab militants. It is a position that has the strong backing of the United States, which is pushing for an end to the 21-year-old U.N. arms embargo. The Security Council imposed it in 1992 to cut the flow of arms to feuding warlords, who a year earlier had ousted dictator Mohamed Siad Barre and plunged Somalia into civil war. Diplomatic sources said Ban's recommendation to support an end to the embargo did not appear in earlier drafts of his report but was added later on. It has happened before that a secretary-general's reports on various issues have been amended before publication in response to complaints from member states. Diplomats said Britain, France and Argentina are the council members most reluctant to end the arms embargo, preferring a gradual easing of it instead. The Somalia and Eritrea Monitoring Group has also opposed the idea of lifting it and see their latest findings as proof of why that would be unwise, diplomats said. Those who oppose scrapping the arms embargo say Somalia's security sector still includes elements close to warlords and militants, an allegation the Somali government rejects. They also say the government can still get arms despite the embargo via requests to the U.N. sanctions committee. "There are no Somali warlords that threaten peace and stability in Somalia," the alternate permanent representative for Somalia, Idd Beddel Mohamed, told Reuters. "They are normal citizens now, members of parliament. The embargo must be lifted." But diplomats said the monitors have a different view - namely that specific units of the Somali security forces have links to warlords and are putting pressure on the Somali government to push for the arms embargo to be lifted. Those in favor of lifting the embargo want a monitoring mechanism to ensure that arms purchased by the government do not end up in the hands of insurgents. But they also feel that the government should have the means to continue improving security around the country as it appears to have Shabaab on the run. The U.S. mission to the United Nations declined to comment on the monitors' reporting because it is confidential. Last week a U.S. official said Washington was merely backing a request by the Somali government and the African Union to end the arms embargo. The U.S. government last month recognized the Somali government for the first time in more than two decades. U.N. discussions on the Somalia arms embargo are expected to continue through March, when the Security Council must pass a resolution to renew the mandate of the AU peacekeeping force. (Reporting By Louis Charbonneau; editing by Christopher Wilson)

Che -Guevara;916176 wrote: Somali? Really? That's what the article says - that's all I know. Whether he's Somali or not, it's a tragedy!

AUN...

Saudi prince who killed his servant in London hotel will be sent home in weeks Richard Ford, Home Correspondent 5 February 2013 thetimes.co.uk TIMEUK English © 2013 Times Newspapers Ltd. All rights reserved A Saudi Arabian prince jailed for life for murdering his manservant is to be sent home to serve out his sentence after spending less than three years in a British prison. Chris Grayling, the Justice Secretary, approved the transfer of Prince Saud bin Abdulaziz bin Nasir al Saud to a jail in Saudi Arabia. The Prince, a grandson of King Abdullah, is the first Saudi citizen to benefit from the unusual prison transfer agreement, which came into force in August. He is expected to fly back within weeks. There has been extreme sensitivity in Whitehall over the case, given Saudi Arabia’s position as the largest customer for British defence equipment. Thousands of British jobs rely on defence contracts with the country and David Cameron was in Saudi Arabia in November as part of efforts to sell as many as 100 Typhoon jets to Gulf states. No deal has yet been signed. One Whitehall source said that there was no link between the prisoner transfer deal and any trade deal. Saud, 36, was convicted in October 2010 of murdering Bandar Abdulaziz in a hotel in London after weeks of attacks. He denied being gay but the court heard that he had hired male escorts at £200 an hour while on holiday in London. Security camera footage showed Saud kicking and hitting Mr Abdulaziz, 32, originally from Somalia, 37 times in the lift of the Landmark hotel in Marylebone. The servant was strangled and beaten to death, the final act in a “deeply abusive" relationship in which Saud carried out frequent attacks. The trial judge, Mr Justice Bean, said: “You were in a position of authority and trust over him which you exploited ruthlessly. I think the most likely explanation is that you could not care less whether you killed him or not." Saud, jailed for life, was told that he must serve a minimum of 20 years before being considered for parole. He has been in Wakefield top-security jail. Within months of his conviction the Saudi authorities approached Britain for a prison transfer agreement. Britain agreed to the deal, even though the number of prisoners involved is much smaller than for other countries. It means that 11 Saudi Arabian citizens in British jails can seek transfers and six Britons in Saudi Arabian jails can apply to come home to serve their sentences. Whitehall officials are believed to have expressed fears that they would be unable to ensure that Saud would, in fact, serve out his sentence in a jail in his homeland. Mr Grayling, however, has received assurances from Saudi Arabian authorities that the Prince will serve the sentence in a prison. During his trial it emerged that the Prince had assumed, wrongly, that he had diplomatic immunity and could not be tried in Britain for the murder.

Two governments with robust intelligence services have sounded the alarm regarding this. At this point, I will consider the threat credible. The only thing that doesn't make sense is why put the warning on the OSAC website, yet not update the official consular/state.gov website? Care to enlighten, Gold Coast?

^^Putting all the eggs in one basket sidii caadadu aheyd!

Daqane;915959 wrote: Well from what little I know according to the new law approved by the cabinet [and being debated in parliament] the government is supposed through the interior ministry appoint the transitional admins, perhaps this was signed off on by the speaker of parliament in an executive capacity. From what I know of the man and those that work with him, he is one of the very few Somalis who does not want to involve himself in anything beyond his remit as parliamentary speaker, either he is chairing parliamentary sessions, buried nose deep in a book or is nipping out on his khat rounds [words of others not mine]. Sharif Hassan's regional admin has been a dream he has been trying to make reality for a while, and he has every right to do so, only thing is what sort of support he would garner after his stint as speaker, people in somalia want the best for there federal regions many from that community are wondering at the sort of administration they could expect under sharif. The meeting between madoobe and shariif is because of the negotiating stand he took vis-a-vis jubbaland and bay and bakool, classic kissinger asking for the moon and settling for R block rights defender in that political dispensation. Daqane, You're more clued up than I gave you credit for I'm impressed! Seriously!

Oodweyne, Ha fogeyn Ingriiska... They're just looking after their national interest. It's just that we, on our side, forgot to look after our national interest But the situation is not so dire as to be unsalvageable... BTW, this Heritage group incorrectly claims to be the first local Somali think tank. What happened to the similar institution in Hargeisa led by Hussein Bulhan? P.S. The British are not pulling the strings on this, but it's very possible they've greenlighted the project. There are ambitious new players to the game...

Oodweyne;915946 wrote: Well, I suppose we can openly say that Chatham House's first Somali offspring with lots of side money from the ICG is what we have in here. In other words, the smell of the perfidious British hands is all over this thing. No wonder, why the Brits are salivating over Somalia. This must be an issue that has something to do with the "lapse-licence" given to BP by the then Afweyne's government to explore Oil in the then "Godan-Nugal Region" . Oodweyne, I get your argument but it's not British-funded. It's a new player to the game with money to spare. Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me to learn the Brits have given the go-ahead for this project.

Daqane;915938 wrote: Wareegto kasoo baxday guddoomiyaha baarlamaanka oo ah ku simaha xilka madaxweynenimo ee Soomaaliya, Prof. Maxamed Sheekh Cismaan (Jawaari) ayaa lagu sheegay in guddoomiyaha gobolka Bay loo magacaabay, Cabdi Aadan Hoosoow iyadoo xilkii laga qaaday Cabdifitaax Geeseey. ..................................... ...................................... Dhanka kale, guddoomiyaha xilka laga qaaday ee gobolka Bay, C/fitaax Geeseey ayaa kasoo horjeestay wareegtadan, isagoo sheegay inaan loo marin soo saarista wareegtadan habkii sharciga ahaa, wuxuuna sheegay inuu isagu yahay guddoomiyaha rasmiga ah ee gobolka Bay. Geeseey oo wareysi siiyay VOA-da isagoo ku sugan magaalada Baydhabo ayaa sheegay in isaga ay soo doorteen dadka deegaanka, uuna bedeli karo qof ay dadka deegaanku soo doortaan,balse uusan ogolaanayn in maamul dusha laga keenay uu xilka ku wareejiyo. Lama oga go’aanka ay dowladdu ka qaadanayso diidmada guddoomiyihii xilka laga qaaday ee gobolka Bay, iyadoo Geeseey uu ahaa guddoomiyaha gobolka Bay sannadihii ay Al-shabaab gacanta ku haysay degmooyinka gobolka Bay. Maxamed Xaaji Xuseen, Hiiraan Online maxuseen@hiiraan.com Muqdisho, Soomaaliya So the Parliamentary Speaker is the caretaker President when the President is away and gives signed directives to nominate Regional Governors..... Interesting system..... Yet the President states in interviews overseas that the Interior Minister is responsible for setting up temporary regional administrations, not the Speaker of the Parliament. Brings to mind that old adage: Dheguhu iyo Afku is ma maqlaan..... 'Me thinks' this is simply a poorly planned gambit to derail former TFG Speaker Sharif Hassan's recent moves to set up a regional admin in the same area (Sharif Hassan is interested in creating a new power-base for his political ambitions - if A. Yusuf, was able to create Puntland as a jump-off point to national power, why not me??) Interestingly, Sharif Hassan (former TFG Speaker) had a Nairobi meeting in January with Madoobe(of Jubaland fame) to discuss these plans.

I think the situation is worsened by a radicalized diaspora on all sides that left the Horn during the worst times of the civil war, have lived in the outside world since then without much travel back to Somali-inhabited areas, and continuous self-feeding strong emotions based upon deep grievances from the war. Fortunately, Somalis on the ground are healing and remain more concerned with bread and butter issues. Having said that, the issues on the ground remain mainly political jockeying for power and position in a changed environment with increasing foreign interests entering the game.

Daqane;915918 wrote: Okay thank you for the information and correction Don't take me too seriously... Tomorrow, I could be proven wrong if a new travel warning is posted verifying this story, but for now, let's just consider it another attempt to inflame the Somaliland 'angst' over the British travel warning

AfricaOwn;915867 wrote: why not have the people of each region elect their governors? The governors should be accountable to the people and I don't see how this system will work for the benefit of the people, especially the bigger subclans who are made equal to the small ones. I couldn't agree more. Regional Governors being appointed from Hargeisa is a holdover/leftover from Siyadist days. AfricaOwn, I take exception, though, with your emphasis on bigger subclans. Strong minority rights are the hallmarks of a vibrant, democratic system. It's even more critical in a young state in a conflict-recovery phase like Somaliland.

Daqane;915905 wrote: Mayaa brother minitid when I said conspiracy I did not mean it in a bad way just how Somalis have parallel universe explanations for every thing. Please continue with your explanation, I know how fellowships work and I know something of the legwork Abdi Aynte put into setting this project up, lakiin I want you to finish your thoughts because am eager to hear...as you I am neutral, I am just happy that there is a different well organized voice in the discourse walaal. Daqane, So far, their first paper is promising in the nuanced positions it takes. However, I'm of the thought that Somali solutions(in the whole Somali peninsula, including Djibouti) must be completely Somali-owned, not only in manpower but, also critically, in funding. Outside funding allows powerful outside interests to strong-arm Somali interests.

Another poor attempt to inflame the situation further. The State Dept which the Nairobi Embassy is a part of(in case you didn't know) puts out prompt travel warnings to its citizens through the web. The latest travel advisory is dated December 26, 2012 (http://www.travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_5849.html). It covers the whole area of the former Somalia. Whenever a new travel advisory is issued, it's promptly posted on the official website, given that U.S. citizens are not aimlessly hanging around the walls of the Embassy waiting to hear the latest directive on loudspeakers Daqane;915897 wrote: Hadalka safaarada ayaa lagu yiri,waxaan uga digeynaa muwadinintena in ay u safraan guud ahaan Somaliya ,waxaana jira qataro kaga imaan kara qaybo ka mid ah somaliya,iyadoo aan la cadeyn halka sida dhabta qatartaasi uga iman karto.

^^^ Daqane, Just remember you heard right here on SOL first&who you first heard it from If you've read my previous statements on Somali-related events(as opposed to theories - I usually differentiate between the two), you would realize 'conspiracy' is a hasty accusation. Unfortunately, I'm not at liberty to currently spill the beans but it will become clear in due time. There are enough enterprising opponents to happenings in Mogadishu performing due diligence on current events - they will unearth the financial lifeline and puppetmaster of this new entity soon enough. I don't belong to that group so I choose not to divulge the information for the time being. I'm currently ambivalent on this 'think tank' - don't oppose it, don't support it - it's far too early to make a decision on that score. But let me flesh somethings out for you.... Let's assume the professional Somalis associated with this project are doing it out of 'love of country and people' with no expectation of wages. But you also have (extracted directly from the Somali Heritage website): Mary Harper is a public policy fellow with the Heritage Institute and the Africa Editor of the BBC World Service. She has reported on Africa for the past twenty years, and has a special interest in Somalia. She has reported frequently from the country, covering conflict, piracy, Islamism and other subjects. Mary is the author of “Getting Somalia Wrong? Faith, War and Hope in a Shattered State.” She has reported from many other African conflict zones, including Sudan, Congo, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Algeria. She has written for several publications including The Economist, Granta, The Guardian, The Times and The Washington Post. Dr. Laura Hammond is a development policy fellow with Heritage Institute and a senior lecturer at the University of London at SOAS. Her research interests include food security, conflict, forced migration and diasporas. She has worked in the Horn of Africa for the past fifteen years, and has done consultancy for a wide range of development and humanitarian organizations, including UNDP, USAID, Oxfam, Medécins Sans Frontières, the International Committee of the Red Cross, and the World Food Programme. She is the author of “This Place Will Become Home: Refugee Repatriation to Ethiopia” Jason Mosley is a public policy fellow at Heritage Institute and an Associate Fellow of the Africa Programme at Chatham House, and a Research Associate at the African Studies Centre of Oxford University. He is also the Managing Editor of the Journal of Eastern African Studies. Jason’s main geographical interests are in the greater Horn of Africa, the Great Lakes region and Nigeria. He is interested in the politics of ethnicity, and of religion -- particularly of Islam -- in these and other areas. Jason regularly analyses the expanding economic horizons of Africa broadly speaking, and particularly in terms of the growing consumer base, and the investment opportunities outside traditional sectors of resource extraction and primary commodity production Now currently in Mogadishu, the Federal Gov't(with all the port and airport proceeds under its control) doesn't have the capacity to fund each ministry with at least 5 competent staff members with world-class credentials yet a mysterious 'policy group' has the ability to draw in Western professionals with advanced careers. Come on, let's get serious here! Must I spell everything out for you.... BTW, the initial funding is currently below the $5 Million mark, but will be increased by the outside source(s) if the project shows signs of success within the first 12 months.

xiinfaniin;915678 wrote: Where did they publish the policy paper? Daqane's email? Source please. http://www.heritageinstitute.org/index.php/sample-sites/policy-briefing It's well funded by Somali standards but I'm not ready to spill the beans as to who's behind it

A very interesting piece... I don't see the need to shorten the policy paper. It's actually well laid out and presents an interesting take on the complete situation as well as broad strategies to move forward for the Mogadishu gov't. The question is where did this 'Think-Tank' come from? Who's behind it/membership? Who is it funded by??? The answers to these questions might shed some light on some significant shifts occurring in the Somali power sphere...

Mr. Somalia, Try to think with your wits not your emotions. Regardless of how you personally feel about Somaliland, the Puntland leadership wishes to bring some political pressure on the Mogadishu government with the threat of collusion with Somaliland. Compare the statements coming out of your mouth vs. the statements emanating from the Puntland leadership. Which is to be taken as the current position of Puntland??? As for the JFMB(Joint Financial Management Board), you're once again out of the loop regarding that issue (which you can be forgiven for).Both Sharif Ahmed (previous TFG head) and Hassan Sheikh opposed this mechanism and it has yet to be implemented. A compromise is in the works. Ask your cousins in Nairobi for confirmation. The aid received thus far from both the EU and USAID is exaggerated here in this Forum. No entity outside of Mogadishu receives any form of budgetary assistance (Mogadishu receives it in the form of military salary disbursements). The difficulty for Puntland is current revenue(ports, airports, rudimentary business taxation) does not cover the costs of the administration - this has dangerous effects, in particular, in the security sector. This financial scarcity has been exacerbated by diminishing inflows from piracy which brought large capital infusions into the local economy. So in summary, it's this looming, creeping 'financial' leverage that Mogadishu is perceived to be currently amassing that's causing 'the kettle to boil in Puntland', capisce?

Oodweyne;915403 wrote: Somalia , Saaxiib, If ever there was a useless propagandist that in life of him can't shoot straight in here, then, one must look at your way to take a full measure of such creature in action. And by that I mean, here you are telling me that the said chief pirate is in a mood to mock others, while in truth we know that his "lost goat" has been well and truly cooked in here by others. And by that I mean that you do know that USAID developmental aid will from now on come from Nairobi with the full support of the new policy of the US in support of probing up the fragile government of Mogadishu. Which means, the first priority will be to shore up the failing government of the country at the center and then worry about how the rest of regions could likely be helped in here. Secondly, the "dual track" policy, is in effect, null and void, and with it, the US direct engagement with the concern regions will from now on come to the added lenses of doing any US policy in support of Mogadishu. Thirdly, the Somaliland did not in material sense depended highly ant bilateral aid that comes from US. But, it receives the bulk of it's developmental aid by UK and from EU (in that order). Fourthly, any funding that the Pirate-land gets, was always something that had far greater attachment to the central authority of Mogadishu acceptance of that direct aid, which isn't how things are done for Somaliland. And, in here you do not have to take my word for it, and you only have to ask how EU and UK distribute their aid money to either Somaliland and to Somalia and to pirate-land. And, if you basically ask around, you will find out what I am telling you in here to be the truth of it. Which means, UK and EU directly gives to Somaliland, and for pirate-land, the UK, do not do much of aid support to them, and as for the EU support to Pirateland, it comes to full understanding that Mogadishu must co-sign any help of aid from EU to pirate-land. I hope you got the point in here. And, lastly, the Faroole argument is that of reading the tea-leaves of future Somalia. In the sense of seeing, how going forward the "political clout" of his fiefdom will get ever more diminished return for him, particularly, if Mogadishu, politically prosper with all the help she is likely to get. And, therefore, he is basically saying, that he can "increase" the odds against that day arriving, if, for some reason, you reached some common position with Somaliland, particularly, in the sense of collectively lobbying the continuation of the dual track policy against the counter-lobby in which Mogadishu is likely to mount from their own end. In effect, what he is saying, is that, lets combine "our effort" so that, cumulatively, our diplomacy can be match for whatever the likes of President Hassan could be able to do so. In this sense of saying, lets have some sort of ad-hoc arrangement of "married interest" between our two entities, that one must understand as to what this chief pirate is getting at when he send all sort of political signals to Somaliland. The Guru fleshes out the scenario! Masterful......

What's all the fuss about, fellas? Faroole is playing his available cards, given the changing situation. Nothing wrong with that. As for Somaliland, no need to alienate Faroole - like I've stated before, he's been the the best Puntland President from a Somaliland perspective...

To update those who haven't been following this debate here on SOL: Oodweyne;911214 wrote: Xiiny , Remember, that the composition of any likely governing council of Jubbaland will consist of many clans. Hence, there is many clans that are - shall we say - "susceptible" to the political influence and financial blandishment of the government of Mugadishu. And, in that sense, the federal government does not have to touch this issue directly, but it could play through those clans so that the influence of Mugadishu will be felt in the street of Kismayo without Hassan Sheikh appointing the traffic warden for the streets of Kismayo. In other words, notice how our old friend Gabbal and his "clannish clique" are forever coming across as if they are "beholden" to some folks in Mugadishu, and therefore, through them, one can say the current government in Xamar will have a large influence at the creation of that new region call Jubbaland. Furthermore, our friend, Gabbal , will even admits to himself (if not to us) that his clan, when shove come to shovel, will always carry into the city of Kismayo whatever "political tidings" that may gladden the folks of xamar, so long as the current PM remain in his post in Xamar. This is a sort of "influence transmitting" from Xamar to Kismayo, I am talking about. Which means, one could see a way in which the center of the country will bring a most telling "affect" into that city of Kismayo, or at least bring her to heel without having to run the place by themselves. And, as you know, there is no comparable "influence transmitting" mechanism (or shall we say clan) that are to be found in pirate-land or in Somaliland, which in turn, the federal government in Xamar could use them as a "tool" to which to influence those places. Do you understand my argument now, saaxiib? xiinfaniin;911225 wrote: ^^Oodweyne, I perfectly understand the political dynamics and clannish settings of Kismayo. And believe me the demands of Mogadishu will be along the lines of sharing the revenues of city's prized harbor and airport , and from commerce activities of its two borders. And that is something that Kismayo administration will be readily satisfy. In other words, there will not be any contest from Mogadishu to put Kismayo in its sphere of influence. This assummes Mogadishu itself remains in the hands of certain communities and has not been redefined politically to become more inclusive, For if that has been achieved , it will go long way to resolve the mistrust that is the bedrock of this federalism political arrangement. As for Gabal's folks and their role, a lot has changed, and there is a reason why SOL is not witnessing the political infighting that characterized Kismayo politics amongst Dukes, Gabals, and Professor Abtigiis's of the region. The challenges have been redefined, and a new scheme has been set up to deal with you and Abwaans ...so update yourself waryaa Oodweyne;911248 wrote: ^^^ Xiiny , Well, if the intra-tolka fighting has been straighten out, then, I suppose it is all to the good. But, still a little birds tells me (or at least nag me with it) that the first time the "division" of the spoils of the offices for jubbaland state is contemplated it, will be when this "feign love of brotherhood" will meet it's natural demise and we will in turn see our Dukey , in his usual way, biting viciously, the ankle of our good friend Gabal ... Hence, as a betting man, I would put good money for us to see such spectacle as soon as this thing call Jubbaland gets to be established, officially, on the ground in the region.. :D xiinfaniin;911253 wrote: There is active supplication from certain corners for an intra tolka political conflict to arise again. But Somalia as a whole has made a headway toward political stability, we even expect Xamar to sort its internal politics out, hence the establishment of Jubbaland will only strengthen Duke-Gabal-Abtigiis block, not divide it. The cooperation will go even beyond internal borders, pulling Garisa and Jigjiga into the arrangement as well. Waryaa waxbaa ku dhaafay, ee halay warramo dheh xiinfaniin;911269 wrote: The problem with Mintid and certain individuals in this fora is they have resolved to perceive particular regions/communities in a certain way that is contrary to the reality on the ground. No matter what evidence they are presented with, Mintid and co will always repeat soothing slogans to depict Puntland and the looming Jubbaland based on the said perception. Puntland is not a dream. Jubbaland is not a dream. Somalia's revival is not a dream. What is clearly a dream is the notion of three Mothers in the North becoming an independent country Mintid Farayar;911278 wrote: Oodka, Ethiopia is having a difficult time restraining Barre Hiraale and co. It's all about the port proceeds and personalities. Don't entertain grand illusions from some of a 'grand understanding' between various segments of a clan-family. And thus far, Madobe has been in no mood to share the loot. Same cycle, different day.... It's within this context that the statements from Barre Hiraale must be taken, given the scramble for the Jubbas. Oodweyne, Some on SOL, while claiming to be well-informed on the situation in the Jubbas, are blinded by an emotional desire for certain mythical coalitions which prevents them from fully grasping the challenges ahead for the various groups competing for this rich territory.