Originally posted by Jimca Lee: Bill Maher, Is he still on TV? I don't watch TV much but I rarely missed his weekly, late night 1/2 show on ABC. For some reason I can't recall now they stopped airing his show. He was always surrounded by controversy. I remember one time he got so much flack for saying the 9/11 punch were braver (since they sacrificed their lifes for what they believed) than American fighter pilots who drop their deadly load from safe altitudes.

Originally posted by Jimca Lee: I have this weird feeling most of these females are ooch, ouch girls. Looooooooooooooooooool. what girls? Seriously please fill me in on this 'ouch ouch girl' business. Never heard of that before.

Originally posted by Kooleey: ^ or else what exactly? Many things. One track could be this: polite suggestions for retraction, if unrepentant to be followed by tempest in a teacup climaxed with literal engorging. What do think of such prospect?

I voted for the first. If you do the deeds, you should do the time. And I agree this whole business of sending incriminated kinfolk back home is testament to the moral bankruptcy of Somali society.

Ahura, Stop the fitnah jealous heiffer. If you weren't so hideous to look at maybe you'd get half a chance. *sniffs* [/QB] You better be joking with that or else....

Pouty girls letting out some steam, nothing wrong with that. JimcaLee and Makala, carry on.

North, This is getting quite redundant. If I wasn't clear enough regarding my position before, hopefully this post will rectify that and put an end to this discussion. Originally posted by Northerner: 1) The Sunnah is/are the way(s) of the Prophet Mohammed SCWS. Agreed. 2) The compiling of the his sayings/actions are in the Hadiths ie a record of his Sunnah Stop right there! The alleged sayings/actions of the prophet (scw) are alleged to be in the hadiiths. I, and this is no shock to anyone by now, don't put much stock in the hadiths as reliable source. It is for this reason I reject them, along with the purported sayings/actions of the prophet (scw) -- ie the Sunnah. Now, I think the misunderstanding here is your impression that I reject THE Sunnah of the prophet (scw), the way he lived and what he exhorted... if that was the case I wouldn't be a muslim as I would be reneging the Shahada. Reason being to reject what the prophet did and said is to reject what God enjoined in Quran. Nothing could be further from the truth! I don't reject the the Sunnah, I reject the source purported to host the Sunnah. That is just one reason. Another is Allah said everything he revealed is found IN the Quran and no where else. In the Quran where it mentions to follow the prophet, it's telling us muslims to follow the MESSAGE -- ie what Allah revealed in the Quran. So my decision to strictly rely on the Quran is sensible one. As you or someone else have said the Sunnah is the 'living quran' or the Quran at practice. The prophet's (scw) source and guidance was the Quran. I'm simply relying on HIS source, one whose authenticity and reliability I have complete trust and confidence. Hope that cleared up things.

Originally posted by Rahima: As for our men in the west, sadly many are useless, you and I both know that. The ratio of good husband/fathers to useless husbands/fathers is no way near equal. Somalia is the same. That is a lie!!! Somali men in the West aren't 'useless'... objectively speaking there is no such thing as useless man or woman. Useless person to you is very usefull to someone else. A somali man in the West MAY appear to you as useless because and ONLY because you got other men to compare with. Given the Somali man's recent arrival to the West and the West's highly hierarchal soceital setup, the somali man looks not up to snuff. Back home where there are ONLY somali men, you rarely will hear utterings such as "somali men are duds etc." It will take the somali man some time, maybe not. But his children; 3rd or 4th generation somali men will certainly not appear useless to you xaliimos as by then they'll be fully assimilated into the West (assimilation is inevitable!). Underlying cause for all the merital problems is economics and it's not limited to somalis. The divorce rates for most of the West is over 50%. The reason for it being it costs too much to keep marriage together and raise a family unless a couple are willing to live at the poverty line. Many don't bother with it or wait very late in their lifes when they're financially better off. Marriage was, is and will always be about economics and politics (religion). If you disagree with me, marry a poor kaafir Faarax.

Originally posted by Nayruus: But I have one question for SB. Are shia Muslims? No. They're martian.

Originally posted by Northerner: I think you are confusing this with what is written in the hadiths, which is the recorded Sunnah. I know what the Sunnah is... its not much different from Hadiiths. Both are purported sayings and acts of the prophet scw (the way he lived and practiced what is revealed in the Quran, no?). You can split hair all you like, at the end of the day the Sunnah is subordinate to the Quran -- my source. Even the prophet scw himself in Sahiih hadiith is noted to have told muslims not to record his life for fear the hadiith will become like the Talmud of the Jewish faith. But he also is noted to have said the opposite. One correction. Earlier I said the hadiths were 'writen' 150-200 after the prophets death. I meant to say COMPILED by Imaam Bukhari and others. The ahadiith were actually first writen during the prophet's (scw) time. But, how do you get access to the teachings of the prophet if you are not using a method of transmission? Why would I NEED that? I have the Quran.

Originally posted by Jimca Lee: ...I call it hands-on-learning. (I think I just made my-self laugh ) ...or a nightmare!

Originally posted by Modesty: I can't speak for all of Somalia, but Alhamdulilah where I am right now, most people aren't starving, food and water is abundant, and life is still kicking. Most people that haven't been here recently think that all of Somalia is basically hungry, that is far from the truth. Some of the restaurants here have better food than some somali restaurants I ate from in America. P.S. thanks for your duas for those who wished me well. Enjoy your trip... wish you safe and sound return.

Originally posted by The Flipmode: Do your wonders..we will see if we will cry Wanna try that again, I can't make head from tail in what you wrote above. I'm sure my dyslexia isn't failing me this time.

Originally posted by WILDCAT: ...my name is Wildcat , and I am a heathen... I don't think you're a heathen. A hussy perhaps. I'm no heathen either, I practice asceticism.

Originally posted by Northerner: So one muslim can criticise the other, fair enough. But the one doing the criticising must have some basic knowledge about the deen in order to, right? I CONCEDE Woow! That is dignified and magnanimous act on your behalf. My hat off to you Sir! Now, answer my questions,,,, Your question was, I believe, how I can perform Salaat, fast, pay zakat etc without the hadiths. Right? My reply: the Sunnah is not needed to perform any Islamic ritual. Muslims were able to perform all the biding Islamic rituals long before the Sunnah was writen. The Sunnah was written some 150-200 years after the death of the prophet (scw). You didn't learn how to perform Salaat from the Sunnah... you learned it from someone who knew it who learned from someone else who knew how, that someone in turn learned from someone before him and so on... going all the way back to the first few muslims. Are you a Muslim? Yes but only the good part. ps dont you think the usual attention seeking has overboard here? No way, I love suking from limelight's mammary glands.... I'm gonna milk it for as long as I can. All eyes on me and I'm lovin' it. Stop hating dude. But as with all things, sheer ennui will get to me sooner or later and I'll lose interest.

Naden God must have personally taken out time wiring your brain.... you delivered first-class expostulation. What a powerful punch! I sure don't wanna be in the ring with you. Kudos!

Originally posted by Kashanre: ^I really do not have time for your nonsense anymore. Northernor baa kaa raayay oo awoodaada ku tusay and you can best believe you will not get anymore responses from nomads now that you set a precedent for such nonsense. The above is not a challenge of what I've said. Good! I'll accept this no-challenge reply from you as your assent of our agruement. Thanks. It was fun playing, till next time...

Originally poste by makalajabti: do you value your Virginity Flipmode? Makala, what was the uncensored version?

Originally posted by Castro: We need more nadens not less. Co-Signed Socod_Badne

Originally posted by Kashanre: Indeed. I had a haunch the nomad was not well versed in what he was uttering, but only after he utter his now famous handicapped analogy did I understand he was looking for anything to grasp on. It is either what prof says or what is written in his textbook. Cilmigiisa intaa ma dhaafto. This is my analogy: Actually I DO. Obviously you and other jaundiced folks here don't. I don't blame jewism for what jews are doing to muslims in Palastine, that is not REAL jewism. Same with america, I don't hold them responsible for the baleful results of their cavalier gun-ho and hegemonist policies, that is not REAL americanism. Don't you agree with me? I will try one last time then I leave it to Allah to sort you out. This is what you said that subsequently spawned this entire sub-sub-sub-debate: Also, I find it quite extraordinary how those nomads along with Ibtisam failed to make the distinction between the religion (Islam) and the worshipper (Muslim). Aren't those your words? And aren't you asking that we decouple Islam (the religion) from what muslims do (the worshipers)? I agree with you and my analogy, delivered in a sarcastic tone, was to underscore this universal fact: people are judged for what they do and not for what they belief. We decry americans for what they do -- for brevity KICK AS_S -- not for democracy, capatilism, moral decadence and the rest of the assorted punch of foibles flaunted around. So what I said do you disagree with? Please tell if you can. More of Kashanre: I sense alot of their anti-Islamic positions and grievance have much to do with actions of supposed Muslims as opposed to what is actually sanctioned by the Islamic religion. Do they not know Islam is perfect whereas Muslims are not? Do they not know that Islam has no mistakes whereas Muslims can be prone to making mistakes in how they carry out or do not carry out their religion?

Originally posted by AbdulNoor: Asslaamu Alaykum, My brother you have no knowledge of Islam or the teachings of Qur’an. Belief and deeds are never separated in the Qu’ran. Belief without deeds is meaningless, as is deeds without belief. In the Qu’ran deeds and belief are side by side. That’s why All the Messengers of Allah from Adam and Muhammad blessings be with them, called the people to Iman and righteous good deeds. You will be judged on what you believed and your actions, by implying we will only be judged on what we do you are referring to the judgments of man, which is pointless. You can be the best of man, do the best of deeds but without the belief in Allah and His revelation your work is fruitless. We were discussing how people judge others, not Allah. To people what someone beliefs is inconsequential. You for example say you are a muslim -- you believe in Allah and Mahammed SAW as his messanger. But there is no way for me or anyone to know you're not lying about it with 100% certainty. That is the reason why deeds are what we earthlings judge on since that is the only way for us to know with 100% certainty what your TRUE intentions are.

Viking, I'll discuss with you how I can reject the Sunnah and accept only the Quran... in another thread. Originally posted by Northerner: If you have regected the Sunnah,,,, 1) How do you pray? 2) How do you wash yourself? 3) How do you eat? 4) How do you fast in the month of Ramadan (what do you refrain from)? 5) Why do you rejct to learn from the Ulama that are mentioned in the Quran? and many more,,,,,,see where i'm going here,,,,if you have rejected the Sunnah, are you a Muslim? What an ignominious sob you are! I gave you a reply and asked you to substantively rebut it or concede the arguement -- who should be blamed for what muslims do: muslims or Islam? What do you do next? You jump on another completely unrelated topic! Now why should I respond to your questions above? You know what, I won't. Not until you substantively address my first reply to you. I'm waiting Northerner, don't disappoint me. I become very very unhappy when I'm disappointed.

Originally posted by Northerner: Do you also critise muslims who do what Islam says? You criticise a muslim for speaking out against what is wrong in this world (As Islam askes of us)? First you have to establish (prove!) that EVERY criticised vocal muslim speaks for what Islam says. It's self-evident truth that not ALL vocal muslims speak for what Islam says (Osama Bin Laden for 1) not to mention the different readings of Islam. If ANY vocal muslim claiming to be speaking on the behalf of Islam has got it wrong, then ANY vocal muslim can be criticised for what he does. If you see holes in my reasoning, show it otherwise concede. Again, it doesn't matter on hoot what you believe, when all is said and done you will always be judged by what you do not for what you say or belief. Take me for example. Those who criticise me don't so for what I say (ie reject the Sunnah etc) but what I do -- independently speak my mind! Keep this in mind. People aren't punished (justly) for what is inside their head but for what they do or plan to do. What is Americanism? Does it not mean to control world affairs at whatever cost? If not, proove it. Americanism means many things to many people. To some it's what is enshrined in the US constitution. For others its that with a dash Calvinistic sense of capatilism. Yes, to some it means being dominant sole super power. It means many things to many people. And I don't need to 'prove' anything. You just babbling on and on without any thought process going into any of your arguments. That is nonsense. Anytime I or anyone else writes, a thought process is involved. It's just that some people's thought process is better than others. But there is always thought process.

Originally posted by Kashanre: No, you did not understand walaal as you would not have come out with such a handicapped analogy. "Jewism" nor "Americanism" do not exist. I would hope you meant zionism and capitalism in those terms. It is actually you who doesn't understand. The distinction you draw between what muslims do and Islam is unnecessary. Muslims will be judged by what they DO not by what they belief. Americans will be judged by what they do not by what they belief; jews will be judged by what they do not by what they belief. Those who criticise Islam, not I, will do so on the grounds of what Islam says, not what muslims do. And those who criticise muslisms, for which I'm one of, will do so based on what muslims do, not what Islam says. You and others lambaste Zionists and americans not for what is contained in the OT and US constitution but for what they do. It's always convenient however to link the two, often out of weakness of arguement. But that doesn't detract from WHY and on WHAT you base your reasons for criticing others. See how it works?

Abraar, Would you please stop accusing me of things you don't or can't back up with evidence. It's the 2nd or 3rd time you accuse me of belittling what others believe without saying what it is I've written that constitutes berate of other's believe. Other than that I have nothing to add to what I've already said to you. Pi, You're right, I got sidetracked like everyone else. Which goes to show we're or I am on the same boat with other thread hijackers. I'll keep in mind to curb this unsought habit in the future. Probably it's because of unresolved or dormant debates/discussions from other threads and from the past that unintentionally got carried over to here. My purpose in life aside from unwavering believe and love for my creator is to do for others what I'd like them to do for me. That would entail helping the destitute and disenfranchised, extending the same courtesy to others that I expect from them, being loyal and available to my loved ones... the whole gamut. Nothing specific I can pin point, that is why I wanted other Nomad's thoughts.