Originally posted by Northerner: Whether they give a damn about you or not doesnt matter, its a brotherly thing. Seeing those stricken people on TV, hearing the stories of rapes and god knows how many other things doesnt make you feel for your brothers and sisters irespective of their view towards you? Are you that selfish? Or is that the only angle you could muster up this time?? It is not about feeling sympathy for them (which I did and do). It's about justifying your defense of them -- people who don't give jack shidh about YOU. How do you justify that? You say empathy for the short end of the stick they recieved. No arguement there, I too sympathised with their plight. BUT you go on with this sisterly/brotherly crap, based on what? Bosnians are NOT my sisters and brothers neither are they yours. We have no relations with them. Be it muslim arabs, pakistanis, indonesians, chechens, afghans, iranians... we as BLACK AFRICANS have nothing in common with those people. As testimony to this fact, tell me what did your Bosnian brothers and sisters do for you or other somalis since the civil war broke out? You dare to ask why we care for the Bosnian people then you try to defend yourself by asking me to find where you said he should'nt be tried for war crimes??? Are we at debating 101? Make your stand and stick to it without contradictions saxib, it makes for a better discussion. No, this isn't debating 101. But in debating 101, the claimant is ALWAYS required to back up his claims. You insinuated that I didn't know the history of milosevic or that I blithely dismissed his atrocities, it is only fair I ask you to prove that insinuation. Go ask anyone if you don't believe me.

Originally posted by Abu-Jamal: SB, I don't care what your religion background is but as a human being, I expect you to support justice[for Palestine,Bosnia Columbia etc..] if you are not blinded by hate for others. I do support justice for ALL people. Muslims and nomuslims. Africans and non-africans. All of Allah's creation. I too expect from you as a human being to show support for justice -- by shedding PREJUDICES. What makes you think I don't support justice for Palastinians, Bosnians or Columbians but the unfounded endeavor of your prejudiced mind? All I asked Ibtisaam was WHAT did Milosevic do to her PERSONALLY? Or extending it a little further, what did Milosevic do to Somalis? Asking that question doesn't mean I support Milosevic or deny Bosnians justice. Now, if you can't differentiate between asking a valid question and support for a man and his positions, then you suffer from same ailment Milosevic and his ilk suffer from -- impaired sense of fair judgement.

Originally posted by AbdulNoor: SB its not about what Bush, sharaon, and this dead pig do to us, its what they do to innocent muslims. We are one body. Bosinian woman pain is like the pain of somalian sister, since they are muslims. Only credulous somalis like you believe that balderdash. Bosnian women don't give a damn about you and your people; in fact to them you don't even exist. It is enigmatic that you somehow feel the need to pour out your heart for a people that wouldn't even notice your support and can do without it. Northern, As usuall, you my posts with blinkered view. I suggest you re-read my posts, ALL of them but this time find me where I said Milosovic shouldn't be tried for war crimes.

Originally posted by Sayyid: However why would you bother giving him a free translation, when I believe that he ain't even Somali. Even if that was true, why shouldn't I be given the translation I requested? Are you saying non-somalis shouldn't learn Somali? Wonderful line of reasoning you got there Mr. Prude. in fact I was exposing it to the rest of the naives, who still think that guy is Somali, he ain't! We got an imposter among us! PROVE IT! I will be around to give you all the help you need. What do you wanna know?

Ibtisaam, I hope I NEVER overstand but what is it that I preach that you want me to do? You didn't state what? I mean I preach alot of things, for example: 1. I preach no one should eat at Asian restaurants that exclusively serve animal penises and testicles (I'm not making this up!). I wonder what their customers say when they over/under-cook their meals? 2. I preach humans should treat their fellow living creatures equally and fairly. ... what do you want me to practice?

I'm not sticking up for him; only commenting on your bizarre lusting for other's suffering. What did he (or Bush and Sharon) do to YOU?

Originally posted by ibtisam: ^^^ yeah well; a disturbing sight or not, i crave to see him suffer, and burn, and ....and....and ... and suffer some more :mad: Well, your revanchism is different kettle of fish from mine then... whatever satisfies you.

Makala, You still haven't answered my question: what is it with you and virginity? Every time the subject is broached, you're there to hound it. Any reasons? And you're right, let us not hijack the thread. The subject broached was: the Quran and woman. Lets discuss. Ibtisaam, hhm well to you best practice what preach dear! Not following! I must preach what I practice or practice what I preach or best practice what I preach or preach practice and preach... sorry don't get that at all. Wanna try again?

Originally posted by the-urban-hang-suite: subxanallah just imagine if each one of them donated £1m to erase poverty in places like africa and south america... First, they DO donate millions and billions to poor nations... the causes for poverty are illiteracy, bad governance, corruption, nepotism, venality, poor resource management, just to name few. In short, the causes are internal and hence can only be rectified once these countries get their houses and acts together. Since WW2 trillions of dollars have been unabatedly doled out to poor nations, much of it to no avail. Throwing more money at the problem is not gonna, miraculously, end poverty and abject under-development. Often the money falls through the cracks or is re-wired to Swiss/foriegn banks by corrupt government officials. One only needs to look at post-WW2 Asian countries and where they are today to be convinced poverty and gross under-development can be overcome by means other than hand-outs from others.

^^ Originally posted by ibtisam: ^yeah well i wanted him to suffer in this life too :mad: :mad: Deeply unsettling... it's understandable wanting your erstwhile enemies, percieved or real, punished to the full extent of the law. It's disturbing sight, in a different light, to crave for your enemy's anguish.

Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: Stupit Question, indeed! You lost any trust in a muslim First, NO question is stupidh question. Maybe you're the type that would've told the Wright Brothers they were being silly asking if flying machine able to transport people can be built? Right? Second, I don't trust ANY claim by ANY person, muslim or otherwise, without first being convinced of its veracity either by sound expostulation or hard data. why do you need reliable statistics when you have a muslim testifying the facts before you? For the same reason I don't believe the testimonies of Alien abductees.

Originally posted by makalajabti: quote:Originally posted by The Flipmode: If you don't value virginity, this is a different thread altogether.. Makalajabti I answered to the other faarax's message (socod-folxumo), give me a break, he is the one who started with that virginity-shit and messed up your thread. [/QB]Not true, stop lying! It's eminent truth, discernable to all that you have inordinate fixation with ALL things related to virginity? It's all you talk about, what's the deal with that? There is more things going on in the world that have absolutely nothing to do with virginity you know? Don't try to turn the tables over on me now.

Frank Lampard. I won't tolerate any disagreements, keep it to yourself if you don't agree with me.

Originally posted by makalajabti: quote:Originally posted by ibtisam: ^^^my dear; finally quote: True, the problem is not with Quran or Islam. Why finally? :confused: Obviously something you're not privy to... mind your own business nosey-parker. I can assure you it has nothing to do with virginity -- your favourite topic! Ibtisam, don't you agree with saying: all good things come to those who wait?

Originally posted by ThePoint: The problem is that too little of it is put in practice especially with regard to women. True, the problem is not with Quran or Islam. The emancipation of women is urgent need for ALL of the 3rd world not just the muslim part. It's pervasive problem which is further exacerbated by poor illiteracy rates and abject poverty.

Originally posted by Mansa Munsa: Thanks Sophist, The good news is that Islam has more new converts than departures, How do you know? Do you have any reliable statistics.

Originally posted by Kashanre: Ms. Lee- I think you are as confused about the "cartoon protests" as you imply the non-Muslims were. It had less today with the cartoons themselves as opposed to a small climax of the financial, social, economic repression Muslims have felt (over a while) under their inept, corrupt rulers and their western backers. Maandhey labadaa kala hubso, deetana ha isku qaldin mar kale. Don't let him talk to you like that... if disinclined, you can unleash me on him.

Indisputably student section closely tailed by politics section. In my dotage, being 65 n all, student section is of no use... and political concerns have been transcended by more pressing issues. So yeah Admin, do away with those two.

Stoic, I don't know man... Ahura gives off an air of stonehearted, meanspirited viragos. Sorta like those sadistically cruel nuns popularly epitomized in Hollywood movies. Perhaps a stones throw away from a full-fledged dominatrix.

Castro, I got your drift, regrettably I can't succumb to its conclusion. Intelligence on a woman is like wall paintings sitting on chairs; absolutely useless. And for us males, blood flows in only direction. Southward. Nothing wrong with that. If it didn't then you have a problem on your hands.

Casro, The emblematic fawner It's save to say Johny Boy exhumes and exceeds on both fronts.

Originally posted by Sayyid: Fornication and Adultary is haraam and not permitted and people who do their illegal acts in the "darkness" and out of the sight of the righteous people because out of respect, shame and feel of guilt towards their creator maybe forgiven but someone who galleries up his mistakes and faults, it's just inacceptable considering this forum is a islamic one run by muslims! It's really bizarre and I am speechless! I have a bad news for you or maybe not. Not everyone shares your views or shares your religion. To some people Haraam or Halaal are meaningless terms. Others don't even believe in God's existance. Now, you reject other Gods, faiths, outlooks, ideologies etc. If you can do that then you shouldn't have a problem understanding why others reject your believes? Right? If you disagree, I hope I've mapped out the fault lines for you. Navigate at your own risk.

Originally posted by Kooleey: eberyaalyahow. What's that word? Is it somali?

Originally posted by Ahura: Johnny , What do you need intellectual stimulation for? Have the same question Johnny Boy. There is a woman who understands her role! More pertinent question is what are your intentions: wifey material or casual liaison, flings and frienship. If the latter, then intelligent woman are Ok but still not desirable. Intelligent woman usually end being your friend but nothing more. But if the former, if looking for wifey material, then you need dumb as goat woman, that rarely says anything and is always at your beck and call. Smart women rarely make good wives; smarts is useless in housekeeping, child rearing etc. Imagine having brainiac for a wife that questions every decision you make, points out weaknesses in your reasoning... you want her to do what you asked her to do and service you anytime you need serviced no questions asked, no fuss and muss... no man wants brainiac woman as a wife. Intelligent women instinctively know this, that is why they dumb themselves down to attract men. So my answer is BODY, all the way.

According to J-Lee's world view, Frued was a closet homo, anyone using his ideas to make a point automatically becomes a suspected closet homo. So Naden, be forewarned for the forthcoming barrage of inquiries regarding your sexual orientation from Jimca Lee. Lol!