Originally posted by Brown: "Somalia" wadan meesha kuma hayso. Really? I was of the view, with valid reasons, that PEOPLE make WADANS and not the other way around. Unless of course you're saying Somalis aren't people.

Originally posted by Khayr: Her insults to Islam and muslims is a more serious crime. Not to those of us who value human life. The link doesn't work.

Originally posted by Didi Kong: Of course this doesn't apply today. Said who? the right hand possessions are the slave women. That is what Honiesta is attempting to convince stubborn Khalaf.

Originally posted by illegal some-alien: *farts all over this post* I contend Dhuuso is premium commodity... out of the reach of this abomination of threads/posts.

Originally posted by Nur: You tell me the aim of an athiest in this life, or yours for that matter, and I will take that statement back. Transcendental self-interests: reproducing, peace, security, justice, equality, cherity, forbearance, forgiveness, tolerance, learning and teaching, volunteering, building & developing, feeding starvlings, advocating for the disenfranchised, competent governance etc. These are worthy aims (among others) in life for both the religious and the irreligious.

Originally posted by Valenteenah: I'm always pleasant to people. In fact, you couldn't meet a nicer person than me. Look, I'm all for people changing for the better. To be honest, it's one of the most rewarding, cherishing sights in life. That said, sudden personality shifts are more often than not triggered by traumatic or pleasant life experience (all depending on which way the wind is blowing). So Ahura, don't fret ok? I'm complimenting and in a way asking if everthing is alright. Congrat to Qac Qac.

Originally posted by S.O.S: quote: JB writes: Quoting from the Quran to a nonbeliever doesn't suffice Ok JB, The name is Socod, Socod Badne... I like my Martiny shaked but not stirred. I'm not that confused, purposeless, sorry case for life Scandinavian gaal dhabo dhilif JB. Sh. Nur's quotation from the Qur'an is to prove its divine qualities , and if he succeeds (which Allah willing, he will) he has proven, since the Qur'an cannot be written by man, the existence of a deity external to human limits of time and space. From my understanding the issue at debate is Allah's existance and convincing the nay sayers. Isn't that right? In that case, relying on the Quran -- the word of Allah -- to prove his existance is like convincing a car shopper that Honda civic is best car in its class because Honda said so. You'll be playing zero sum game, the perfect circular arguement. Use the Quran to prove or demonstrate Allah existance by all means but in conjection with other efforts... to buttress and further other points you're making. This isn't subtle point I'm asking you to note and if you can't see why you can't use the Quran to prove Allah's existance to a nonbeliever who doesn't share your views of the Quran doesn't cut mustard, then you're not cut out for these sorts of discussions/debates. Pick another trade chief. it's authorship by man, and you've proven the non-existence of Allah. Chief, I have already explained to you that NO ONE can prove a negative or the non-existance of something. Be it God or otherwise. The onus of proof always rests with the person making the positive claim, ie the theist. Here is a challenge for you: prove the non-existance of loch nech monster.

Desperately seeking Allah (aka Alle-Ubaahne), Yeah, I'm doing fine. Dubya propaganda did the trick, I know feel safe in NY. WaterLilly, Spot on with your anaysis as usual. I'm not for war, I swear I'm not. I'm a pacifist, totally abhor violence except during Globalization demonstrations. That said, Iran is playing with fire. Engaging in Nuclear brinksmanship with sole superpower who proved willingness to use Nuclear weapons, is dicey game.

Originally posted by nameless_chick: You have indeed failed to answer the question, the question was are you Mulim or not. Born again muslim... I'm also lycanthropist, watch over your shoulder next time there is full moon.

Originally posted by Valenteenah: Congrats & blessings to QQ . :cool: Is it me or did others notice Ahura is nicer to people lately. Congratulating, complimenting, thanking... deeply unsettling from my point of view 'cause Ahura with this pleasant disposition is surely sign of the end of the world approaching. I'll double my prayer efforts.

Don't mess with Texas Mr. Ahmednijad! This aint idle threat, it can be brought to bear by force if need be.

Originally posted by nameless_chick: Personally question for the Homer Simpson guy are you Muslim or not. Do you wanna know or do you wanna know? If you must, I'll tell ya. Just because I'm a nice fella! I'm a lizard worshipper and follow the Jack Daniels philosophy.

Originally posted by Kashafa: ^^ As expected, you tuck tail and run, boyo. Once shook, always shook. Good JB's last stand came down to three bouncing clowns ? Yaa Khasaara Oh pleeze! Brother Nur's last rebuttal fully deserves JB's ridicule. I mean look how he goes on unmitigated tangent about JB's logical shortcomings, help is coming to him, how JB is presently living in aimless period of his life... how condescending, impudent, belittling... all of which has nothing to do with the ensuing discussion and out of sync with etiquette of good spirited debate/discussion. Golden rule of constructive, positive debates is NEVER personalise. One of the ways to tell if one party is unable to defend his/her position is to note wether he/she personalises the debate/discussion. I must admit I was caught completely off guard by Sheikh Nur's unexpected steering of this good spirited discussion into JB's character study. 'Cause he is one of the few people on this site who are capable of engaging in constructive debates. We all know how there is great dearth of that approach by many members of this site. I hope it doesn't bespeak of his inability to defend theism against atheism. Do yourself a favour and debate if it's intellectual confusion(Who am I, Why am I here, Am I man or a woman) that's causing your weak attempts to justify your atheism. Why would an atheist JB need to defend his lack of believe? His position is as the negative claimant, while the theist position (defended by Nur) is as the positive claimant. Therefore, the burden of proof is on the positive claimant. ALWAYS! JB doesn't have to prove jack shidh regarding his lack of faith. It would be the height of logical absurdity to ask a person claiming the nonexistance of something to prove it. How do you prove or justify what you genuinly believe doesn't exist? If I don't believe in the existance of unicorns, how do I prove that? Search every nook and cranny? It's simply impossible to prove a negative! The burden of proof is on the positive claimant. In this case, Nur. He is the one positing the existance of Allah, he should be able to convince JB by either presenting to him cogent expostulation or some verifiable facts. Quoting from the Quran to a nonbeliever doesn't suffice. It should be obvious as water being wet! Not only is it a recipe for circular reasoning (GM is the best car maker because GM said so) but it undercuts the arguement the existance of Allah is independently, and on the personal level, verifiable fact. At any case, let them duke it out.

Originally posted by ibtisam: ^^^here we go again!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: awoowe, maxaad tidhi?

Originally posted by nameless_chick: PS now I have a million dollar question for everyone other than Homer Simpson guy that is "WHO WAS TALKING TO YOU". How did I miss this... Namelesschic, I didn't call Allah unjust. Clearly you misunderstood what I said. I think I was talking about S. Barre, where I said since this man got away with so many injustices if Allah forgives him he would be unjust to all the innocent victims of S. Barre who never saw the light of justice while on earth. You do believe innocent victims deserve justice, right? If they don't get justice in this life, aren't they entitled to it in the after life? And if God denies them justice in this world AND in the afterworld, wouldn't he be unjust? I believe Allah is just and will condemn the degenerate SOB S. Barre to eternal hell. YOu gotta make sure you understand other people's words before you go on holy crusade.

NOt busted at all (bug off Ibtishaam!). The Point, I'm absentee resident of London.

Originally posted by Bishitta: Those who chase girls around in the forum, and crap I kinda find them attention whorish. Looool! Bisharo, colorful lingo you employ up there. Although it reeks with pungency of used breast pumper!

Originally posted by ibtisam: Khat.. But the problem has existed for a long time. That is not accurate depiction of reality or history for that matter. Being older than you are and having lived through the metamorphosis of Somalia's acceptable social mores, allow me to unburden you of your ignorance Awoowe. Khaat was consumed with responsibility and was seen as benign social pastime indulgence. A carpe diem if you will. Very much aking to the status of liquor in the West. Several generations back, a Western father could send out his son to get him a bottle of liquor from the local liquor store. Today not only does he have to go and buy himself but he has to present plethora of identities to prove he is not a kid in adult body. I'm no social scientist, lack the intellectual wherewithal, therefore can't speculate reasons for the unfathomable shift of perception/attitude. Can only note them. I rue the current status of Khaat chewers among Somalis, they let us ALL down. Recalling my days as young khaat chewer man, we commanded almost reverential, hero adoration. I remember the Geeraash sessions I partook with scantly dressed, beautifully bejewelled enthralling gabdho lasting till the wee hours of the morning where afterwards I would either gingerly trudge on hoof or ride my faras home. Young boys wanted to be like us, young girls wanted us to show 'em our Grillz. How fast perceptions change with the passing time. The ways of the Lord are indeed inscrutable.

I heard a rumour Wenger will employ revolutionary new "attackig from inside own half" tactic. You heard it right, no players in the offensive half giving new meaning to the term ten men behind the ball. The Gunners coach believes they'll even outscore high flying Barca.

Ibtishaam, I had change of heart... I will contact my MP from London, Ontario.

^^Be nice! Originally posted by Viking: 5. It would be a good idea for you to keep at least 2 six packs in the fridge at all times, as well as plenty of things to nibble on , I can't object to that... can hardly wait for the WC

Originally posted by J.Lee: ^Loooooooool. I haven't laughed that hard in awhile. Wait. Was that a threat? Qosol gariir, mudo hore ayaan kuu sheeg inaad tahay inan aan fiyoobin oo wax ka dhiman. Ee haddaad neceb tahay caruur iyo hooyooyin, waan ku dhihi: DHIMO, dhulka aad istaagan tahay ha kula go'ow, qoorta cuntada ha kugu saxato...

Originally posted by Jamilah: SB, flirting?As if you are worth my affection. What ever sails your boat sweet cupcake. But may I say you're pretty darn good liar. It's too transparent.

Codetalker Ahmedinejad blinked first by writing that cowering letter on 'how to resolve issues' after all the tough guy talk. C'mon, be honest, at least admit that was total surprise considering the stuff he's been sputtering. HornAfrique Iranians are muslims? Aren't Shias, who reject the Sunnah, kufrs or something?

Iranian President Writes Letter to Bush By CHRISTINE HAUSER Published: May 8, 2006 Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has written a letter to President Bush with suggestions on how to resolve current international tensions, Iranian officials said today, but there was no immediate information about whether he was proposing a solution to differences over Iran's nuclear program. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, left, visits a press fair in Tehran, Iran, with his Culture Minister Mohammad Hosein Saffar Harandi. Frederick Jones, the spokesman for the National Security Council, was informed just after 2:00 p.m. that the letter arrived at the White House. He said that Stephen J. Hadley, President Bush's national security adviser, would examine it along with the council's staff. He did not have any information on the tone or content of the letter or on when Mr. Bush would review it. Officials in Iran would not disclose the contents of the letter, which was forwarded to Washington through the Swiss embassy, which represents American interests in Iran. The letter is believed to be the first direct public communication sent by an Iranian president to an American president since ties between the nations were severed after the American Embassy in Tehran was seized in 1979. The United States director of intelligence, John D. Negroponte, said today in a briefing in Washington that he had not read the letter, but he suspected it could be linked to discussion in the United Nations Security Council over Iran's nuclear program. "Certainly one of the hypotheses you'd have to examine is whether and in what way the timing of the dispatch of that letter is connected with trying in some manner to influence the debate before the Security Council," Mr. Negroponte said. The announcement that Mr. Ahmadinejad had sent a letter to Mr. Bush came as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was in New York today with foreign ministers from Britain, China, France, Germany and Russia to chart a common position over Iran's failure to comply with the United Nations Security Council demand to suspend uranium enrichment. Since last month, when Mr. Ahmadinejad announced that Iran had reached a milestone in its nuclear program with low-level uranium enrichment, the Iranian government has become more vocal about its right and determination to pursue the program for power purposes, putting it increasingly at odds with the United States and its allies who believe Iran is intent on developing nuclear weapons. "Ahmadinejad, in his letter, spoke of the current tense situation in the world and suggested ways of solving problems and of easing tensions," said an Iranian government spokesman, Gholamhossein Elham, at a news briefing today that was carried by the Iranian news agency Irna. He also said that the Iranian president had sent letters to other leaders of "certain countries." An Iranian foreign ministry spokesman said that the text of Mr. Ahmadinejad's letter would be made public after the United States received it. President Bush's national security adviser, Mr. Hadley, said early today that he was not aware of any such letter. But he said that Iran needed to suspend of enrichment activities to open the door for a diplomatic resolution. "We are working with allies in the international community to achieve that result," he said in an interview on NBC. Britain and France circulated a draft Security Council resolution last week demanding that Iran give up its nuclear program. The measure was drafted under Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter, which makes compliance with resolutions mandatory and opens the way to penalties or military action against nations that defy them. But imposing penalties would require a second resolution. China and Russia, permanent Security Council members with veto power, have declared opposition to a resolution under Chapter VII. Iranian government officials struck a defiant tone on Sunday in their response to the prospect of a United Nations resolution against Iran's nuclear activities, saying they would reject such a measure and threatening to halt cooperation with the United Nations nuclear monitoring group, the International Atomic Energy Agency. In addition, Mr. Ahmadinejad said on Sunday that international treaties became "invalid" as soon as they failed to secure the rights of nations. He said that if a nation's rights under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty were violated, "Then that nation would revise its decision and the treaty would become invalid," the Iranian news agency reported. Source: NYTimes