Curly_Sue, Jaahilnimo sounds like a better description. And do not give me that "feminism is a western concept" crap. Thats another form of propoganda Devil's Advocate, It's actually said to be a lesbian concept.

LOL, NGONGE. That was really rude! The new Archbishop of Scandinavia is called Desmond Two-Two.

TOTAL 71 Points from round 1 IN Henriksen Denmark £2.5m Miguel Portugal £3.0m Zidane France £6.5m OUT Nesta Italy £6.0m Puyol Spain £5.5m Mista Spain (didn't participate)

Mutakalim, This sounds a bit like the Asharite contra Mutazilah line of reasonnning. But I could be wrong. You cannot say that the 'teleological thought is slain by reason'. Aren't you content with what is in the Qura'n? When adressing the issue of the existence of God, as Al-Faruqi says; "knowledge of the divine will is possible by reason but certain by revelation". Knowledge of Allah (SWT) is rooted in the Qura'n and not 'just' reason. I have a Shi'a mate who reads a lot of gnostics especially a certain Musavi Lari. He talks about gnosticism and tells me about soul travelling and 'being in touch with the divine'. He claims that one has to get to this higher level of consciousness, where everything is perceived by the soul. What do you think of it as a way to be in touch with the divine?

Thanks mate.

I think (or hope)... England France Sweden Czech Rep. ...make it to the semis.

Tomasson earned me 18 points yesterday The transfer window closes tomorrow and I plan to trade in Mista, Puyol and Nesta. With whom I don't know yet. Am a Rossoneri fan but feel no sorrow for the Azzuri. They should come back with a more offensive mentality to the next tournament, the days when defensive Italian tactics worked are long gone. PS: Guys, which channels bring Serie A and La Liga in the UK?

Issakson Sweden________11p RB Puyol Spain_________ 7p CB Nesta Italy_________ 8p LB Silvestre France____ 1p RM Seedorf Holland_____-1p DM Vieira France_______-1p AM Deco Portugal_______ 2p LM Vicente Spain_______11p Rosicky Czech Rep._____ 3p Mista Spain ___________ 0p Tomasson Denmark_______10p Total__________________ 51p

This is indeed the strangest discussion I have ever seen. If put on a scale...the irrelevant dialogue Dr Livingstone had with Henry Stanley in Ujiji would be on one end of the scale and this discussion would be on the other. http://www.jamiat.org.za/isinfo/sdiscussion.html

Nur sxb, No reply could be too long, so please don't feel restricted on my behalf. On the other hand, I have a million questions and hope you'll find the time to answer them. If I am being a bother, just tell me outright sxb. I have also read somewhere that the two (Rooh and Nafs) are in conflict. Both are said to have different aims, the Nafs aiming for the worldy while the Rooh is aiming for the the sacred. You brought up the different types of Nafs and I wanted to ask you...is the Nafs something that has to be kept under control through i.e. dhikr, shukur etc because it has carnal nature? Or are its origin Nafs-ul-Mutma'inna and we are the ones corrupting it? If we let it be, what will happen to it? You said that they were 'two faces of the same entity', which one of the two will be held accountable or will both be held accountable for sins committed? And lastly...what is the fourth dimension according to Islam?

Nur, Thanks for the reply; am glad to be able to read and participate in your instructive posts. I always thought the Ruux to be equivalent to Spirit, the divine in us humans. The nafs however is like the ego, the self and that is what will be held accountable in the day of Judgement. How then could they be different at times and the same at other times?

rokko, True. I made a mistake.

Aaaniminaah, What BULL! The English, are good at football, they are unbeatable at rugby and they RULE Cricket Even the Romanians are good at football, they knocked the english out of Euro 2000 but they aren't in Portugal and don't win cups. The English won the Rugby World Cup last year only, and that was the FIRST team sport they have won since 1966! This is not a joke! Since when did they rule cricket? Do you know which year they win the cup? Please share with us because West Indies, Australia, Pakistan etc have been dominating cricket the past half century. AS for the Euro... it ain't over till the old farax sings... True. No one could have predicted that the Danes would win it in 92. Zidan is great.. It is just fine ifwe leave it there

Issakson Sweden - 8p RB Puyol Spain - 8p CB Nesta Italy - 8p LB Silvestre France - 2p RM Seedorf Holland - 0p DM Vieira France - 6p AM Deco Portugal - 0p LM Vicente Spain - 8 Rosicky Czech Rep. - 0p Mista Spain - 0p Tomasson Denmark -2p Total - 42p

Bro Nur, I would appreciate it ifyou could get the time to answer some questions I had. -Could you talk more about the Nafs and Rooh and also their relationship to each other? Pain is felt because we have a skin, but can someone feel pain on his/her soul? What kind of pain is that? Is it the Nafs-ul-lawamma that is causing the pain? -I also wanted to ask about Carsh, the throne. Is it is a physical place that is situated somewhere in the universe or is it in a dimension that we can't comprehend? Peace.

Hi Nur, I remember your dialogues with Toosiye, very interesting.

Vanquish V12, I always used to wonder, how come it took zidane so many years to come on da lime light, but i guess just like da fine french wine, he gotta a lot betta wit age. i mean da classic bold head will torment ****** holigans for years to come. Did you just find out about Zidane? He has been a world class player since his days at Bordeux and has already won everything there is to win in football. Gediid, I agree with you. Modesty has never been their strength. They are always talking about how they'll win but forget that (besides the recent Rugby success) England hasn't won any team sporting events since the 1966 WC. Now, Italy have 3 WC's to their name, so does Germany. The Germans are also the team that has been to most WC finals but you don't see them rubbing it on everyone's faces.

Goalkeeper Issakson Sweden Defenders RB Puyol Spain CB Nesta Italy LB Silvestre France Midfielders RM Seedorf Holland DM Vieira France AM Deco Portugal LM Vicente Spain Playmaker Rosicky Czech Rep. Forwards Mista Spain Tomasson Denmark

Milan beat Roma atleast four times the past season. They have bought Stam to strengthen their defence. Roma have lost Capello and probably Emerson and Samuel too. It will be interesting to see whther Roma can keep up with Milan next season.

[3. Keep learning. Learn more about the computer, crafts, gardening, whatever. Never let the brain idle. An idle mindis the devil's workshop. And the devil's name is Alzheimer's. Alzheimers is not caused by 'an idle brain'. One can't or doesn't need to try to stay young, old age and eventually death is inevitable. As Shujui-1 said, staying active is important.

Purple Rain, When someone sneezes, you say 'Yarhamuka Allah' (May God have mercy on you), and the person who sneezes should respond by saying 'Yahdikum Allah wa yuslih balakum' (May Allah guide you and grant you well-being). If the person does not say 'Al-Hamdu lillah', remind them. If they usually don't say it, then you are not required to bless him/her. If the person is a non-Muslim, you say 'Yahdikum Allah' (May God guide you on the Right Way.)

Capello would probably drag Panucci along with him. I would have kicked out Houllier just for his approach on football. A purely defensive mentality and fielding boring players like Heskey. The new couch should only keep Gerard, Owen, Kewell, Riise and the incoming Djibril Cisse. The rest should be sold off to mediocre teams like Everton and Middlesborough. That's where they belong.

-What are you afraid of? Death and solitude -What ppl that you know personally do you admire? My Dad -Are you emo? Emotional?...Yes. -If you could have one wish, what would it be? Die a pious man. -Can you blow up a balloon? Yes...Are there people who can't? Probably only emphysema patients. -Have you ever cheated on someone or been cheated on? Yes -Do you find yourself attractive? I don't know -Gay marriages- Xaraam...disapprove! -President Bush- Proof that a C-Student, right wing nitwit with rich parents should not run any govt. Hate his guts! -War in Iraq- Tragic...Against it. -Abortion- Against it the way it's used as a contraceptive. -Premarital sex- Sometimes as you are just relaxing, someone might trip and...lol. Against. -Self mutilation- Like the Shi'a youth slash themselves?...no way! -Cheating- Baaad!...and very xaaram. -High school and younger dating- A very adventurous but comical disaster -Drinking- No...xaaram -Drugs- Not since that last joint many years ago. Against. -Anorexia- feel sorry for the men who will touch them -Divorce- If the alternative is unbearable Friends: -Who would you trust with your life? Most of my friends -Who is the best person for you to talk to?Rainman -Have you ever done something unforgivable to a friend...and been forgiven? Nope -Who is your "best friend"? Rainman -Have you ever dated a friend? No..if I knew her long enough to be 'friends' that means I didn't or couldn't hit on her. -Would you die for a friend? Probably -Who is your oldest friend? Rainman -Do you worry about your friends a lot? No -Have you ever lost one? To death? No. To time? Yes. Other -Favorite band(s)? Fourplay, The Gladiators, Jodeci and many more. -Favorite book(s)? Papilon -Have a crush right now? NO! -Would you like to murder the person who invented this dumb thing? Must be a miserable individual...No. -Would you like this to be over? Yes...Abu Hamza is on TV.

hahahahaha @ Silicon Slick m**** Dazle and Sticky Fingers m**** Glide.

LoL @ Ronaldo indho-yar. He kind of resembles the kid in real life.