You can't blame the Jews: they're the most persecuted race in the history of humanity! They're only looking out for their own good. Nugaali, The Muslims never persecuted them, why don't they take their revenge on the guilty party? Muslims provided protection for them when they were being massacred by Christians all over Europe. Remember how wicked they were when they betrayed Our Noble Prophet PBUH and breached the treaties they had had signed. It came to an extent that they were asked to accept Islam or be expelled. They weren't innocent bystanders either when they were being persecuted by the Romans; they surely did their part. They once bought over 80 000 prisoners from the Iranians and slaughtered them just to take revenge on the Christians. If you look at this wicked wall they are constructing today, you'll realise that it annexes large chunks of Palestinian lands, so spare us the Zionist version of events sxb. What the yare doing is robbering Palestinians, not protecting themselves.

A good read indeed! I remember when Khattami refused to meet Chirac and made it clear that Islam doesn't allow him to sit with people who were drinking alcohol (it was a dinner where their two govts were to hold talks). The French had to abstain from drinking that night. NGONGE, What sour grapes? The author has clearly stated his standpoint and is against the secularist neo-mods who act like phalangs of the neo-cons.

raula, I also relate more to akina E-Sir, Nameless et al. Mabeste wa Nairoberry kama mimi J11, I used to think he was a Somali because he mentionned Garissa in one of his songs, lol. But he wasn't. His real name was Issah Mmari, his mother is called Damaris Wangui (most likely a Kikuyu) and his fathers name is Amin Mmari who I think is from Tanzania. He died in a car crash in 2003 and his mother said that he was "God fearing and always considerate of others". In this song (Hamunitishi - which you can listen to at nomasana.com), it seems like he's talking about life and death, and the possibilty of suddenly dying, which he ironically likens to getting a puncture while driving. It is so weird how he was thanking people in this song, as if he knew his life was about to come to an end. HAMUNITISHI Lyrics by E-sir Vitisho vya peni mbili Vitanifanya mimi nini Chorus Hamunitishi tishi Hamunibabaishi Maisha nayo ishi hayanikubalii Bila spare tyre Nasafiri kwenye barabara ya maisha Bila kutaka Saa yoyote naweza kupata puncture Kwa hivyo Naendesha gari yangu polepole sana Allahu Akbar ni mkubwa Asante baba kwa kunisaidia kujua Ukiojesha mazuri mazuri utapona Tangu siku yangu ya kuzaliwa Mpaka siku hii tumefika Hakuna mtu angewaifikiria Sifa za E-sir yule kijana Aliyekua akikaa njomes Akisaga ngomba ijapokua amesoma Angekuwa akisikizwa kwa redio Matamushi kukubaliwa na kila masikio Kucheza Kuku dance au chakacha Ndio matokeo,leo ni leo Nikilegea chapapu nitapepea Ni maisha ninayoishi Hamunitishi Hamunibabaishi Chorus Niliambiwa kidole kimoja Hakiwezi ua chawa Ndege hawezikupaa bila mabawa Bila nyinyi singefika hapa Bila mpira Utacheza aje gemu yakangana Asanteni kwa kunipa moto wa kuandika Asanteni wakati wa vita kunisimamia Asante kwa kuwika mtu akimshika Ametushika na hiyo ni shida Pirates mpaka kufa Nasingependa kukufa bila nyinyi kujua Mimi si mimi bila nyinyi Na nyinyi ndio maisha Ninayoishi Ndio sababu hawanitishi Chorus Nimefika ongeza volume na ukaribie Yatatu ni ya kila mtu aliyenisaidia Kutoka Ogopa djs mpaka In the booth Djs Waliyokua wakiprezent Na kumwambia reply hiyo ngoma imetumbaba asanta Ndio maana Polisi maMC, maadui, hii industry Hawanitishi hawanibabaishi Maisha nayoishi hayanikubalii

De Rossi, I watched the Roma-Inter game last nite, quite enjoyable but tactically very poor. I don't think Roma will recover from the loss of Emerson, Zebina, Samuel and Capello. The person to bring stability at times like this would naturally be Chivu, but he is nursing a toe injury I presume. The discipline in the team is deplorable and only an easy going coach could manage them. I wonder what would happen if Camacho was given the job at Roma, hell would break lose, so to speak. Golden_Child, I like Juve for the first time in my life. I hated them for fielding (for many years) boring and mediocre players like Tacchinardi, Ferrara, Iuliano, Conte, Pessotto et al. For a long time, Zidane and Del Piero were the only ones worthwhile to watch among the La Vecchia Signora players...but they now have entertaining and intelligent players like Nedved, Emerson, Cannavaro, Zlatan and Appiah. And they also have signed the veru successful and attack-minded Capello. These characters makes the team worth watching! I am a Rossoneri fan but acknowledge the threat Juve pose for the run to the title this season. It would be foolish to claim victory at such an early stage, keep in mind that Milan are slowly picking up the pace. It seems like it will turn out to be a three way race, between Juve, Milan and Inter, but Milan and Juve look much stronger and well organised. The season is long and things might change...

NGONGE, Stop being such a piss-taker, this dude is serious. Dangerous, Your cousin needs to see a psychiatrist. I know that the Quran can help but these problems seem like they can be solved pharmacologically. I remember when I was a kid, an old relative of mine collapsed while taking wudhu. He was put on a bed and people suggested that Yassin ha la saaro, he died about 30 minutes later. I am not against reading Quran, but years after, I recalled that all his symptoms were that of a heart attack. The basic ABC (Airway, Breathing, Circulation) of first aid might have been the smarter thing to do while medical help was sought. We cannot sit back and say ONLY read the Quran or some du'as (one can always do that) while neglecting the 'ilm that Allah SWT has bestowed upon us to help enhance our lives. InshaAllah I hope he gets the help he requires and feels better because psychological illnesses are usually difficult to deal with and very stressful when compared to other pathologies.

Moqtar alleged in his statement that the man wanted to marry Mahamud, but both he and his sister were against the proposal. This doesn't sound so alien. Is it a place called East London in SA?

raula, Nimepata some Ebbo samples on www.nomasana.com Click on music lounge...alafu click on the little arrow on the window that says Kenyanese ...> A small window will open with tunes in it...go down to number 89, 90, and 91. Double click to listen.

Thx for the tips The Observer and SisSade, hizo links hazina samples za Mr Ebbo. Lakini mangoma zile minapenda ni akina E-Sir, Nameless, Redsan, Mr Lenny, Kleptomiax, Wahu etc. Angalieni link hizi... www.nomasana.com (click on music lounge..then Kenyanese for samples) www.nyamachoma.com (chini kwa hiyo page...DjNyamachoma) www.wakilisha.com www.supuu.com Watu wa TZ napenda TID (Zeze, one of my all time favourites) na Mr Ebbo (Darisalamu ni joto kama pasi)...wengine siwajui vizuri.

Mr Ebbo ni mwimbaji wa TZ ambaye asili yake ni Maasai. He's well read with conscious lyrics and extremely funny. In one of his songs, he ridicules the way history was twisted by the colonialists to make the Africans sound so primitive... He says something like...eti wanasema waligundua mlima Kilimanjaro, si wachaga waniishi pale pale mlimani. "Mr Ebbo started out in Arusha doing ragga rhymes. After putting out two cassettes which got distributed locally, he switched to r&b, one of his songs even got covered on some American compilation tape. After moving to Tanga with his family he moved out of rap for a while, and came back in 2002 with a new approach, dressing like a Maasai and rhyming with a Maasai accent. The funny hit song 'Mimi Mmaasai' discusses life in town from the eyes of an ignorant Maasai warrior who has a different look on the luxury lifestyle that some people rate so high." Have you ever heard of Cool James? I knew the dude and just found out that he had died in a car accident in Dar, tragic! "Cool James sadly passed away in a car accident in Dar es Salaam in 2002, in the mid of a career move that promised greater success in Tanzania. James, nicknamed 'Mtoto wa Dandu', first got professionally involved in music while living in Sweden, made some money from selling a lot of records with his Euro-house style singles under the name of 'Cool James & Black Teacher'. Then he came back home (his origins are in Mwanza), recording r&b flavored songs. However he even did a rumba kind of album which really was a fusion of ndombolo (Zairean) style with modern dance music and scored a big hit in Kenya with his remake of the evergreen Sina Makosa. Initially he was not really in the local hip hop scene, more on his own thing, but in the months before his death he had become very active in organizing his Tanzanian Music Awards and recording an album at Master Jay's studio."

Loool, naleta posa yote wala sitoi nusu... usinikatae baby ati nanuka tembo...kaka yako bundia siwezi kumkimbia, baba yako polisi najua ana bunduki...moyo unadunda kudum kudum! Very creative indeed! raula, where can I find audio files of Ebbo the maasai?

raula, Thanks dada.

Feminism has become an ideology for lebs who want to further and promote their way of life. Androgyny and not equal rights has become (or maybe always has been) their number one goal.

If a man is charming and/or knows how to fine tune a femme, it is usually confused as being a 'playa'. Legend, Haha haha, was it that bad? Words can be decieving...anonymity does brings the animal out of some people.

I knew about SOL from its inception (through chatmates at times I used to frequent somalinet chatrooms) but didn't become a member then. Members had their photos up and at that point it seemed too 'lovey-dovey' for discussion platform. I stayed as an anonymous poster on somalinet until 2002 when I registered... Somalinet started goind down the drain and realised that most decent posters had quit or moved to SOL (posters like Nur et al.). Me and my mate Feynman (who has unfortunately quit SOL) joined earlier this year and zi rest is khistory...

I wonder if it has anything to do with the Iranians enriching uranuim.

Maskiin-Macruuf, There probably is some link between the two languages but the word faras is usually said to come from Arabic. Soap in... Spanish - sabon Italian - sapone Rumanian - sapun In Kalenjin (a Nilotic people living in the Rift Valley of Kenya)... hundred - bogol rain - rob I wonder where we had contact with these people of ifit's just a mere coincidence.

Originally posted by Gaasira: According to Professor Maxamed Cali Nuux, Professor of African History (who is also a linguist and former Dean of Lafoole), Af Maay and Af Soomaali are one and the same. So, in reality there is only Af Maay and Af Maxaa Tiri/Tidhi, both of which are Somali. He studied the origins of the Somali language and found that the Somali language is close to (or originates from) Oromo and Afar languages. Afar is the oldest of the three followed by Oromo and then Somali. I have a study that brushes on the issue but was never published. It does support the theory that Somali and Mai were the same at some stage. The study also talks about the relationship with Oromo... Probably the most important word in the Somali language is its name, i.e. SOMALI. Often misunderstood and occasionally misinterpreted by Somali and foreign scholars alike, the author thought it befitting that the study should begin with it. Contrary to all erroneous theories advanced and meanings attributed to it, the name was a simple Somali noun describing the profession of its speakers, namely SOMAAL. In old Somali, so' meant meat - now replaced by the modern word HILIB. Among speakers of the MAI dialect, however, SO' was very much in use and was the only word for meat. The suffix MAAL means to live on or to make gain from. Hence SO'MAAL literally meaning 'one who lives on meat' - in other words a pastoralist. ...and then it goes on to say... Linguistically, Somali was classified as a member of the Eastern Cushitic sub-group of the Cushitic branch of the Hamito-Semitic family. Languages that belong to the Hamito-Semitic family were usually sub-divided into branches that represented dialects of the original parent language. These were Semitic, Egyptian, Berber, Cushitic and Omotic. While some linguists rejected the existance of a genetic affinity between the Chadic and other branches of the Hamito-Semitic, other accepted it. Similarly, on the basis of the low percentage of vocabulary items shared between the West Cushitic languages and other members of the Cushitic branch, some scholars classified West Cushitic as a seperate branch of the Hamito-Semitic known s Omotic. Still other connect Omotic with the Chadic group.

I recently came across an instructive piece by the same author called The Failure of The Daraawiish State; The Clash Between Somali Clanship and State System . http://www.somaliawatch.org/archivemar03/040629602.htm

Gaasira, Thanks for initiating such a useful thread. I guess I could relate to some of the techniques, the look, the haddaan kuu soo istaago etc. Since I was such a rabshoole, my mum used to take the liberty and physically discipline me. This was a customary thing at the dugsi and even at school. So obviously, this boy had been "hardenned" in a way and words and looks were not enough forms of discipline at home. My father, on the other hand, never used to raise his hand at me. My mum would use him as a "plan B" when I didn't listen to her. She would say... aabaha baan usheegi doona and it worked wonders EVERY single time she said that. At some stage later in life, I even suspected that they had it all planned, a successful way of establishing a hierarchy of authority and discipline in the household. He wasn't really the scary type but was taken seriously because he would never scold someone for some minor incident, noooo, he was reserved for the major ones, kind of like a "high court". After hitting puberty, he had a talk with me where he told me that from that point onwards, I was a grown up who will not be punished again. It is difficult to apply the same type of disciplinary techniques in the west; positive reinforcement seems to be the mode preferred by many, but behavioural psyhologists like Skinner seem to think it'll wreak nothing but problems in the end.

Caaqil, I am not an expert, but I think you should ask your friend how he came about this information. I know that in Sweden Somalis have had a rather high prevalence of tuberculosis but haven't heard about them having Hep B and C. Hep A is more common and they say that 97% of Somalis have had it some time in their lives. I don't think it's qat-related because Hep B and C viruses are transmitted mainly through blood contamination, copulation etc. Here's a link that may be of help... http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4075abc.htm

think it would not be a bad idea to have a "thread" where SOL members can post thier pictures. Of course only those members who are interested in posting their pictures will post it. Mutakalim, I remember the days when SOL got started (if my memory serves me right that is), such a thing actually existed. There used to be a picture next to each username.

SubxannaAllah! I am an innovator now?

raula, How about introducing sicle cell traits to future generations? Does it sound crazy or is it a viable option? Is it too risky? Who knows, you can get a Nobel Prize for saving a million lives annually

How peculiar! I was reading about the Ascension of the Noble Prophet SAWS earlier today. When reading the story, I was thinking more in terms of whether it was a phyical trip (bodily journey) or that his spirit made the trip (like a vision), while his body was still in Mecca. It sounded like it was indeed a physical trip. The Mi'raj is said to have taken place three years before the Hijrah and as Sheikh ibn Baz said, the exact date is not detailed in the authentic narrations. So I don't know exactly how the people who mark this occassion found out the date so that they can offer prayers.

1- Do you have any other explanation for the Dreams and the “Déjà vu� I believe that dreams are of different categories. I have divided them into four since most of them fall under these... -dreams of previous occurences (experience) -dreams that foretell future events -dreams about hopes, lusts and desires -dreams that don't 'make sense', confused, that probably reflect the dreamer's imaginations and illusions. I believe that when one is asleep, the Spirit wonders away into the universe. It comes back when the person awakens and that is when the experiences of the Spirit are deposited into the mind of the person. This would mean that one has not really been dreaming the events (it isn't a process but more like a floppy disk with info that has just been inserted in the computer), but the brain gets the data from the spirit and is intepreted as something that had been ongoing. With deja-vu, I have the same intepretation as you got, that the Spirit had been there before you physically visited the place. I have experienced a phenomenon known as deja-attendu, (i hope it's the correct spelling) literally meaning 'already heard'. You hear something (could be a story someone is telling, what a person is talking about or just the choice of words) that you feel you've heard before. This could be the first time you have met the person uttering these words. I don't know the explanation to such an experience. 2- Do you believe your dreams? I define dreams the way I have mentionned above, so I do tend to think that I ought to learn something from them. Some are just too ideal and detached from reality while some are like a file pulled from the acrchives. Some are just utter chaos and difficult even to see clearly. I disregard some but think deeper about others. I have had dreams that have acted as a deterrence for me: I have seen the probable negative results if I was to make acertain choice. 3-Q.3 Do you get affected by your dreams Sometimes.