Originally posted by x_quizit: Viking-I see where you are going with the hijab and how that can act as a deterrent, but sadly that's not always the case, so what now? How will u console those women who were fully dressed, what will u tell them caused the rape? U see, its never the victim's fault, its always the rapists, the sooner we get that, the sooner we may help to prevent those men from raping in the future by coming up with feasable solutions and dealing with their control issues rather than pointing the finger at the woman. Putting the blame on the woman victimizes her all over again, not only is she raped by the offender, but by the justice system/society as well. And we wonder why most rape cases aren't reported. :rolleyes: X, With criminals, the most important factor is opportunity! It is easier for the rapist to take advantage of a drunk woman wearing a mini-skirt walking down a dark street at 3 am. This is a common sight in the west. Now, to blame this woman after she was raped is wrong because she didn't ask to be raped, but she has to take some responsibility and precautions in order not to make herself an 'easy target'. As for the woman wearing a hijab who is raped, the circumstances can hardly be the same as the non-Muslim who is making her way home after a night out drinking. As I've heard, a lot of Asian (esp. Philipino and Malay) women are raped in the Middle Eastern countries. The perpetrators are usually *******s living in the household (or employers who have access to their living quarters) who take advantage of these women because they are well aware that the laws in their region doesn't protect them. According to the Bible, a man who rapes a woman is forced to marry her. Who is being punished here you wonder?? The traumatised woman is sentenced to live with the man who raped her for the rest of her life. Islam is clear on this, women should dress modestly and men should lower their gaze. In an ideal Muslim society, a man can not argue that the woman is somehow to be blamed simply because she was not wearing full hijab. The woman can not be held accountable for the rapist's actions, but for hers' only. It is common sense that a woman (westerner - since Muslims are not supposed to do it at all) should not wear provocative clothes and stagger home late by herself after a night out drinking; just as you wouldn't wear visible bling bling in a neighbourhood where you know you can be robbed or even killed for it. The stats used in the survey convey the thoughts of westerners but people here are reacting as if Muslims decided this. Originally posted by Callypso: For those who still give some credence to the idea that the woman is partly to blame, answer the question I asked Seeker: Serbian soldiers gang-raped Muslim women who presumably were far more conservatively dressed than their own women. How much blame would you ascribe to the women? I mean only some of the Muslim women got raped, so the ones that did must have been doing something wrong that the others avoided, right? Callypso, This is a ridiculous example, take a moment and you'll see why. You are comparing times of war when there is no govt, no police or army to protect the people and no justice system to see to your rights. During times like these, people are killed, maimed, robbed, their properties taken by force etc. Plus, Serbs were raping Muslims because an ethnic cleansing was taking place. Muslims were also the ones massacred and buried in mass graves. These crimes were committed against them because they were simply Muslims! In this anarchic instance, it is soldiers and not your average sickos that were the rapists. Originally posted by Devil's Advocate: I really despise the "women should cover up so as to NOT turn on men and therefore get raped by them"... Devil's Advocate, The Qur'an says that women should cover up so that they be known and not molested. This is not something that people on SOL made up and doesn't mean that any woman who covers up is guaranteed safety from sick individuals who have no respect for Allah SWT and other human beings. The question remains, can women take any precautions at all? For example...(we are talking western women)... -not flirt with strangers -dress less provocatively -drink less -not to walk in dark alleys (esp late in the nights) and preferebly not alone if they can be walked or driven home

Originally posted by Castro: ^ The whole argument with the dress boils down to making every man seem like a rapist in the wait. Depending on how Xalimo is dressed today, Faarax will then decide to either rape her or wait for her to wear a more provocative dress. Please. Where do you guys get these arguments from? Castro, The article says... "The Amnesty International poll of 1,000 people also found over 25% believe she is at least partly to blame if she has worn revealing clothing or been drunk." This doesn't necessarily mean that a woman will be raped if she dresses provocatively or is drunk but that she is partly to blame because she has made herself a target for the perverted sickos out there. There's a govt run advert running in the UK where people are told not to make themselves targets for mobile phone thieves by i.e. placing their phones visibly in pubs or making calls in dark alleys (with the phones glowing in the dark, attracting attention from criminals). This doesn't mean that there are people constantly ready to pounce on your phone but are mere precautions to minimise the risk of a robbery/theft; just as you would avoid counting large bills in a dodgy neighbourhood. sheh, There are probably a million other occassions where the perverts avoided you and went on to harass other women who were dressed provocatively, but you wouldn't know. O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful. (33:59) Hijab is not a 100% guarantee that you will never be approached by a pervert, but it sends a clear message.

A rape victim once wished for teeth "where it mattered". Now a device has been designed to "bite" a rapist's penis. The patented device looks and is worn like a tampon, but it is hollow and attaches itself with tiny hooks to a man's penis during penetration. An accessory to be worn during nights out for the coquettish mini-skirt wearing, binge-drinking females? I remember a rape case in Italy that was thrown out of court because the judge felt that the jeans the woman was wearing were tight and that it would have been impossible for the perpetrator to remove them without help (from the victim).Outrage at 'jeans alibi' verdict.

Flip, Did you know that Venezuela has won more "Miss Universe" contests than any other nation?

Home is Nairobi, anyone have a problem with that? :cool: SeeKer, Legend is just pissed off because his "transit" swahili wasn't of any help this time

Juma, I heard this in on BBC24 earlier today but couldn't get an online source that confirmed it, what source did you use?

Women 'get blame for being raped' A third of people believe a woman is partially or completely responsible for being raped if she has behaved flirtatiously, a survey suggests. The Amnesty International poll of 1,000 people also found over 25% believe she is at least partly to blame if she has worn revealing clothing or been drunk. Amnesty said the findings were "truly shocking" and showed the government's policies on tackling rape were failing. The Home Office says it has changed the law to try to improve conviction rates. "We have made a number of changes to the legal system and to how the police and Crown Prosecution Service work, to put victims needs first and to make it easier for cases to get to trial and secure convictions," a spokesman said. "We are determined to close the gap between the increasing number of rape cases reported and the low number of convictions." However, the Amnesty poll, carried out by ICM, found that most people in Britain had no idea how many women were raped every year in the UK or how few of the cases reported to police resulted in a conviction. Almost all, 96%, said they either did not know the true extent of rape or thought it was far lower than the true figure. Just 4% thought the number of women raped exceeded 10,000. 'Disturbing attitudes' The number of recorded rapes of women in 2004/5 was 12,867 - up 4% on the year before - although police estimate that just 15% of rapes come to their attention. Only 6% of reported rapes result in a conviction. Amnesty International UK director Kate Allen said the poll, part of its Stop Violence Against Women campaign, had uncovered "disturbing attitudes". She said: "It is shocking that so many people will lay the blame for being raped at the feet of women themselves and the government must launch a new drive to counteract this sexist 'blame culture'." The research exposed the scale of public ignorance over rape as well as the "dreadfully low" conviction rates, she added. 'Devastating effect' "The government has an international duty to prevent this gross human rights violation yet it's clear that the government's policies on tackling rape are failing and failing badly." Joanna Perry, policy manager at Victim Support, said it was alarming to read that so many people appeared to believe that a woman was responsible for inviting a rape or sexual assault. "Rape is an appalling crime and has a devastating effect on victims and those close to them. In other words, nobody asks to be raped," she added. And Ruth Hall, from the support group Women Against Rape, criticised "prejudices" in the court system. "They still put the woman on trial, including her sexual history with other men, which is supposed to be banned and blame the woman for what happened to her and hold her accountable," she said. What is your reaction to this survey? Story from BBC NEWS: Source! Published: 2005/11/21 03:51:24 GMT © BBC MMV

There's a risk that Nur's valuable contibutions would be trivialised because of this debacle. A good suggestion to those who want to discuss the topic of FGM is to open a thread and invite Nur to present his opinion with evidence from the Quran and Sunnah and even science to support his claim or invite him [and give him an opportnity]to apologise if he made a mistake. His intentions for initiating this thread should not be questionned because only Allah SWT knows whether his intentions are noble or not. Anyone ready to open a thread and invite Nur to discuss FGM?

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^^ @ when an eagle descends to mingle amongst a bunch of clucking turkeys. Where did NGONGE's post go :confused: NGONGE, Perhaps it could be arranged so that a "one-liner" can contribute 118 of his 120 seconds to someone who has more to say.

Muhammad, The topic I had in mind was more in depth and covered the different stages of the Nafs as you had mentionned here. Perhaps Nur posted it on SomNet for I could not find it on the archives. Shams-ud-din, I have understood the Rooh and the Nafs to be a single entity, but with two dimensions. The soul has both a human (higher) and an animalistic (lower) aspect. They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: "The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)" (Al-Isra 17:85) I understand this to be the divine aspect of human beings which can not be comprehended by the corporeal being. This is the reason for the above reference. And for such as had entertained the fear of standing before their Lord's (tribunal) and had restrained (their) soul from lower desires, their abode will be the Garden (An-Nazi'at 79:40-41) I believe this verse is referring to the animalistic aspect which is responsible for all evil and wrongdoings. It is against this aspect of the soul that we are required to wage Jihad-ul Akbar in order to put it under the control of the human (higher) aspect of the soul. On the other hand, the higher aspect of the soul is responsible for all goodness and virtue and realises its purpose. This aspect ought to be nurtured and be tended to in order for it to develop; this simultaneously supresses the lower self and dominates it (bringing it under control). As you said above, the Rooh/Nafs is indeed pure at "conception" but the lower aspect grows and eventually emerges and is in constant battle with the higher essence, trying to keep it occupied and away from realising its purpose, the awareness of the existence and the worship of Allah SWT. This lower self (I believe) is what psycho-analysts refer to as the self/ego. It is constantly concerned with "I" and constantly striving to satisfy its whims and desires (hence the term "animalistic").

It used to be napalm and now it's phosphorous :mad: These criminals will face worse in the hereafter.

Complex and interesting subject. I remember bro Nur writing about this topic some time back.

Originally posted by Kashafa: Does Rudy speak the way he writes, or is it a uncureable hooked on ebonics addiction (yo,yo,yo,yo,yo,yo,yo,yo,yo) . Does Tolstoy really launch into a 30 min speech everytime somebody questions the wisdom of further disintegrating the(already disintegrated) Somali peoples ? and finally, is it true that Haddad(missing in action) is a cyborg robot. looool. Originally posted by Castro: Atheer Ducaqabe, that's it? So women can't go on the air? Can we get a second (and third) opinion on this? There's at least two SOL ladies whose voice I'd like to hear. And no, I'm not going to use it for any Fitnah . Seriously though, are there any ahadeeth or Quranic verses on this, besides the one you quoted? It's not like we're posting pictures on here. And anyone who would "get off" on just voices needs help anyway. What could we possibly do to prevent such a person from doing what they do? The web is littered with sites that cater to every fetish imaginable. Castro, Some people believe that women's voice is cawra and shouldn't be heard :confused: Alas, they fail to realise that women, just like men, warm to certain voices.

1. Post ONE picture (preferably small, think about those with slower connections) of the object that you most desire right now. 2. Explain what it is and why it's so great. - 1280*720 resolution - 3000:1 contrast ratio 3. Give us any reason why you deserve to have it So that I can watch the news in big picture 4. Explain how you will use it to repay humanity if by some miracle you happened to get it the next day. What humanity :cool:

sahal, This hadith clearly contradicts the Qur'an when it is taken literally. In this post I tried to shed some light on to how it ought to be viewed, allegorically instead of literally in order not to miss the point being made by our Noble Prophet SAWS.

Originally posted by Socod_badne: Not a smart move by a leader of a major nation. World leaders -- unless they wanna commit diplomatic suicide -- don't make public statements calling for the annahilation another country AND its ppl. It is not the sort of talk you expect to hear from 'responsible' leaders. What has his talk achieved but attract unwanted attention to his country in addition to raising doubts about his judgement in the minds of those who still aren't sure what to make of him(if he's making blunders like this, can he be trusted to preside over a nuclear nation -- assuming Iran acquires nukes within the next couple of years?). Always amusing to see Somali neo-con wannabes Bush declared Iran as one of the four "Axis of Evil" and Israel has always viewed them as the most dangerous threat to their Zionist state. Do you seriously believe it really matters what Ahmedinejad says?

Originally posted by Aeronwen: Why should either be confined only to foreigners? And where does the West come into it? Aeronwen, I'll not adress the other issues sis because we seem to be in agreement. Where has the west come in you ask? Well, firstly, you and I live in the west and we take what we think is good from them and hopefully abstain from what is Islamically deplorable to immitate. Western parents have (or seem to have) a close relationship with their children. There is quite a lot of communication between the parents and the children and we stand to learn a bit from them. In African societies, it actually takes a "village" to raise a child. Alas, we find ourselves in a hamlet not peculiar to us, where a nuclear family is the norm, this leaves us constantly fighting to find ways to get by. As the saying goes...The reasonable man adapts himself to his environment. The unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt his environmentto himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. The first generation always sticks to what they were are familiar with and seldom takes on new ideas. This is common among people who move from their native lands. It takes a lot of time and effort to bring about a complete paradigm shift, plus, this generally takes a couple of generations.

Ahmed and Ishe were decent boxers. Ahmed was so into himself that he forgot to box, he was busy selling his image as a 'pretty-boy'. Ishe could have beaten Sergio (the Latin Snake) easily but he got angry...a very negative thing in a boxing ring. Najai's "Valentine's Day" suicide came as a shock to everyone...he was a promising boxer. But it had more to do with a custody battle than the boxing.

Originally posted by WaTerLily: Viking, you said Somali parents don't expect their kids to become sexually active, Times have changed and the old way they were raised is not sufficient any longer. Surely children should be teached by their parents the rules and morality of sex rather than just what is teached at school? They don't need their parents for that, biology teacher tells them all about reproduction, STD, contraception and so forth. WaTerLily, You seem to completely agree with me, but the way you articulated yourself in your previous post misled me. You said..."How many somali parents discuss sex with their children? It's shued away as 'ceeb'...Nur, go preach to the parents to discuss sex with their children." This led me to think that you were asking for parents to discuss sex (the way westerners do) with their children. How else could I have understood the above? Most Somali children have some sort of Islamic education on the side or are brought up with Islamic morals; it would be easier to find a needle in a haystack than it would be to find a young Somali who doesn't know that pre-marital sex is totally haraam. Aeronwen, Good communication is always commendable between parents and their children. Nevertheless, this does not always guarantee that the young will abstain from indulging in pre-marital copulation. I think those of us who live abroad are sometimes drawn to the ways of our occidental hosts, they usually have good communication with their children, but besides our apparent "inferior" communication with our parents, we seem to respect and honour them much more. The most important thing is not being a "buddy" to your child but to teach them Islamic morals (either at home or instructed at a madrasa with a knowledgable macalin). At the end of the day, they will be making their own decisions and education (of the Deen - morals) would be more important than good communication with parents. That's just my opinion.

Sergio wins Contender rematch in a controversial split decision Contender champion Sergio Mora beat Peter Manfredo Jr. yet again, winning an eight-round rematch by a split decision. As the LA Daily News reports, “Manfredo Jr. outlanded Mora 180-133, but Mora landed a higher percentage, 32 percent to 30 percent overall and 36 percent on power punches to Manfredo Jr.’s 34 percent.†ESPN runs down the fight round by round. The Daily News notes that Manfredo “certainly looked better than he did the first time the two fought in May, but ultimately, Mora was able to draw Manfredo Jr. into confrontations on the inside, negating Manfredo’s strong jab and power punching ability.†Mora told the paper, “I’m not going to lie, the first three rounds were competitive, I might have even given them to him,†Mora said. “I couldn’t see so I had to change my game plan. …But I won this fight. I hurt him, and he never hurt me.†Manfredo disagrees, saying, “Yes I felt robbed. I knew I was taking a chance fighting him in his backyard but I was willing to do it but I talked to the Contender people as long as I knew I could get a fair decision. I felt I beat him in every single category.†One of the two undercard fights also had a controversial decision; Jessie Brinkley defeated Anthony Bonsante by unanimous decision after the fight was stopped for Bonsante. For their efforts, “Manfredo Jr., Brinkley and Bonsante each received $100,000 purses,†the Daily News reports, “while welterweight Alfonso Gomez made $75,000.†Source ------------------------------------------------- The rematch was very controversial and the judges did a poor job in two of the three fights. Looking forward to The Contender 2, hope it's as captivatingas the first.

Originally posted by Kashafa: ^^ Aaamin Ya Rabbal Aalameen. Save us indeed from spineless souls, who forgot the meaning of honour and dignity, who are so entrenched in liberal philosphy that the word 'retribution' cannot be found in their dictionary. They have no answers(right or wrong), only questions. They do not condem, they only protest(weakly, at that). Save us Indeed. Note: A woman prisoner of war is molested in Istanbul and the then-Caliph Al-Mu'tasim sends an gigantic army to storm that city and rescue her. But I forgot, he's a stand-up comic. Kashafa, Retribution doesn't necesarily make you a better Muslim sxb. During the Friday, the Imam was talking about a few issues and one of them was the ability to avoid meeting agression with agression. He mentionned a story when a man came and urinated Prophet SAWS mosque in Medina. Some Sahaba came running to the Prophet SAWS and wanted to deal with the man ("take care" of him for showing disrespect). The Prophet SAWS told them to let the man finish what he's doing, let him leave and then wash the spot where he urinated on with some water. He also mentionned another instance when a bedouin came and grabbed the Prophet SAWS by the collar (almost strangling him) and he demanded that he be given some of the wealth. Some wanted to "take care of him" but the Prophet SAWS said no, he gave the man what he wanted and in the end won him over. Meeting fire with fire isn't always the wisest thing to do sxb. Originally posted by WaTerLily: How many somali parents discuss sex with their children? It's shued away as 'ceeb'. Parents are more concerned with their reputation than with their children's well being...Nur, go preach to the parents to discuss sex with their children. WaTerLily, As Muslims, Somalis don't expect their children to be having pre-marital sex, alas, it happens many a times. Sex education doesn't necessarily arm you with morals, it teaches you the "downsides" (i.e. STD's and pregnancy) and encourages the youth to use protection (no moral lessons there - they are taught to learn how to avoid STD's and avoid unplanned pregnancy). UK has the highest teen pregnancy in Europe, the most abortions are done in Scandinavia and sex education is not taught elsewhere in the world as much as it is taught in these two regions. Look up the prevalence of chlamydia and genital herpes in these regions and you'll see a pattern. As I see it, sex education actually increases promiscuity rather that decrease it as I think you have presumed.

Sharmarkee, Shouldn't this be in correct context? Isn't our Noble Prophet SAWS talking about the arrogant Meccans who PROUDLY dragged their huge robes on the dusty streets? Trousers would hardly go below the ankle when one is wearing shoes, or can they? Just wondering..

Abortion is always blameworthy but people are forgetting how many young Somali boys actually have (unprotected) pre-marital sex. The number is probably higher for males than it is for females but the difference is that it is the females that actually GET pregnant. This makes them an easy target for all parties, ironically, including the promiscuous young men. m u h a m m a d, I think the verse you quoted is referring to infanticide of females in pre-Islamic Arabia. These girls were buried alive (hence: When the female (infant), buried alive, is questioned - For what crime she was killed? ). These females were killed solely because of their gender but today the foetuses are aborted because they (in most cases) aren't "planned for" and the pregnacies are a result of fornication/adultery. Alle-ubaahne, The ceeb is in the act itself and not the adressing (and condemning) of the issue. Saaxibkey oo turjubaan ah wuxuu ii sheegey intoo niman oo cudurka aidska ku dhacay markeey ka soo noqden Africa ("baashal" bey kujireen ee balaaya ka raacdey). Markaas xaasaskoodi beey qaadsiiyen viruska xun; ragaas magaalada beey socdan - (dowooyin badan beey liqan ee wax ka muuqdaa iska yar) laakinse dadka badan kooda war uma haayan wax yaalahan oo kale. Soomali ahaan na ceeb weyeey wax yaalahan ina laga hadlo ee meeshi laga hadli lahaa arimahan meel ba lagu duuga. Wixii la qariyaa soo qurun kuma jiro? Qurunkii ba soo ureeya sxb!

Rashiid, You are probably right bro. I was thinking about the first Muslim to kill an infidel in battle (Badr; where Hamza. Ali and Ubaida were the first to fight). My question isn't that difficult. Hint - he was also the first leader to use a maqsura.

Originally posted by Rashiid: Next question: Who was the first companion or first person in Islam who shed blood of an infidel? Rashiid, Ali ibn Abi Talib was the first to shed the blood of an an infidel (Walid bin 'Utbah). Question: Who was the first Muslim leader to sit on a throne?