Sharmarkee, Don't you think the values of a liberal party like Lib-Dems might be irreconcillable with Islamic doctrines?

This is what someone said about Rushdie, it still applies to him and his ilk... "It is as if Rushdie has composed a brilliant poem about the private parts of his parents, and then recited the poem in the market place to the cheers and laughter of strangers! These strangers then paid him money for all the jokes about his parents' genitalia"

Socod_badne, Originally posted by Socod_badne: Viking: so what else are you looking for? Speculation? Analogical reasonning around the subject? Personal takes. Worshing God could mean different things to different people. In fact it does since no two people see everything alike in life. I only wanted people to share their thoughts. In short fulfill the purpose of a fora like this: DISCUSS! In its place we got inundated with a galore of gratuitous character aspersions and trivialities to divest away from the question raised. The reason we were created is to worship Allah SWT, period. But you are being a literalist if you understood 'worship' to mean only spiritual devotion i.e. prayers. The term used in the Qur'an is 'yacbuduun' which is derived from the word 'cibadah' meaning worship. What kinds of cibadah are there now? For example, copulation with your wife is cibadah and you get 'thawwab' for it, the same applies to giving charity etc. Do you want people to break down the different forms of cibadah and mention their "favourites" or what they feel is their "mission" or what they feel they OUGHT to do on earth? Worship is a broad term which means doing what Allah SWT has prescribed, those who deviate from what is ordained are therefore not fulfilling their purpose in life. I am all for discussion just as you are, but this is an area which there isn't much to discuss especially in the narrow format you have provided. This is the reason people have overwhelmingly given you the same response. Originally posted by Socod_badne: Like I said before I reject the Sunnah, I explained my reasons. I'm not trying to dissuade you from adhering to the Sunnah. It is your right to worship anything you please. Just like it is my right to worship who I please -- God and God only. I do not know how you justify this! The person in history whose life has been recorded in utmost detail is our Noble Prophet Muhammad SAWS. We know how he dressed, brushed his teeth, slept, ate, walked, talked, treated other human beings etc. There is a reason for all this, humanity is supposed to learn from him as he is a LIVING QUR'AN so to speak, he practised what he preached, down to the letter. Have you ever heard of the Prophet's last sermon? He delivered it on 632 A.C., 9th day of Dhul-al-Hijjah, 10 A.H. in the 'Uranah valley of Mount Arafat. If you haven't heard of it I suggest you find out. This is what he said in the end... O People, NO PROPHET OR MESSENGER WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words which I convey to you. I am leaving you with the Book of God (the QUR'AN) and my SUNNAH (the life style and the behavioral mode of the Prophet), if you follow them you will never go astray. All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness O God, that I have conveyed your message to your people. How do you justify believing in the Qur'an and not the Hadith? Aren't you going against the words of the same man that delivered the Message of the Qur'an to humanity?

Originally posted by Mr. Jibis: The purpose of life is to worship Allah SWT. No more, no less. Socod badne, This was the answer given to you by the first person who responded to your question; you also said that you agreed with this, so what else are you looking for? Speculation? Analogical reasonning around the subject? I think this is more or less what most people wanted to find out.

It is amazing how the strongest, most consistant and most dominant team in England looks so weak playing against a continental team :eek: Last year at the Bridge, Barca had 66% possession and Chelsea got through with a controversial goal (for those who didn't see, Carvalho was holding the Barca keeper). I have respect for Chelsea and happy for their success, but they are far inferior to the likes of Barca when it comes to class, skills and creativity. The return leg in a fortnight will most probably be a walk in the park for Barca. Chelsea need to score two goals (and make sure Barca don't score) to go through. If Chelsea attack, they will be vulnerable to the counter-attack of Ronaldinho, Eto'o and Messi - one cannot find a more talented trio anywhere in the world. AC Milan is the first team to get anything at Bayern Munich's spectacular Allianz arena (until this week, Bayern were enjoying a 15 game winning streak which includes a win over Juve in the group stage). The teams I think will go through are... Barca Juve AC Milan Inter Milan Villareal L'pool Arsenal Lyon I have three Italian teams in the quarters, this is because Juve are very strong at home (1-0 is enough for them and they are the best at getting that score) and AC Milan and Internazionale go through with a 0-0 scoreline. L'pool, Villareal, Arsenal and Lyon are also very strong at home, I think they will make it through to the quarters. Any predictions for the last 8? Mourinho is such a hypocrite! He is repeatedly criticising Messi for theatrics and said nothing when Robben - after being touched on the face by Reina - dived as if he was hit by an express train. Northerner is right, what goes around, indeed comes around. Plus, there is no team that had more 'th

Castro, This report is very disturbing, but it does not come close to potraying the real effect such an offensive would have on the whole world. The author repeatedly points out to 'Hizbollah' and 'some Iraqi militias', but I think the conflict would spread much further in the region and the aftermath would be far far more truculent.

Originally posted by Sayyid ()Qutb: I ask you this questions 'do you believe in a armed struggle'? do you think muslims will continue to be 'victims' once they raise their arms? do you think that this religion will go 'far' by preaching only? Yes we need to preach but one can only preach that much. We're kicked, humiliated and spat at and we do nothing about it. What do you say? No arms and self-defence? Now answer those questions. I'm not for pacifism mate!

WaTerLily, If you want history then I'd recommed Muqaddimah by the father of Sociology and Sciences of History ibn Khaldun because he does more that just relay historical events. He sees patterns in civilisations and looks closely at their conception and their inevitable downfall. A long but good read. I'd also recommend Cultural Forces in Word Politics by Prof Ali Mazrui. A giften man who gives you a whole different view of the world. Both are currently available at Waterstones.

Originally posted by Sayyid ()Qutb: This religion didn't come this 'far' because we were mere pacifists but people of the 'sword'. Thousands have perished and died whilst 'fighting' for this religion! Think about the battle of al-badr, al-uxud, muta, xunayn and other various expeditions to fight against 'arab' pagans, romans and fire-worshipping persians to north-african 'berbers' to black africans. What do you say about this facts! Do you just ignore them like they do not have existed? Muslims and Islam have many enemies, who want this religion to fail but what is 'our' task anyway? Isn't it to convert the whole world to Islam and make Allaahs word the most supreme? Answer this question and then we will see who the retarded one is! It is sad to see Muslims who believe (like the orientalists and occidentals claim) that Islam was spread by the sword. Badr, Uhud, Ahzab etc were defensive battles. In instances where Muslims initiated the battles, it was always preceeded by raids perpetrated by the polytheists. People embraced Islam because our noble Prophet Muhammad PBUH was a peaceful, righteous and just man, and not a warmonger as many enemies of Islam have potrayed him. We need to show what Islam is all about through our virtuous actions, not through aggression.

Originally posted by Conspiracy.: 22. You don't hear sirens anymore. The sirens seem to have gone silent just after a couple of years :eek:

Yeah! Just a few metres from Tutankhamon's grave. Tut is very famous but his tomb is shady, Ramses III had a far more sophisticated tomb.

Originally posted by STOIC: Raula,mimi nilikuwa na nyemelea ma supuu wa MUSLIM GIRLS( i think they used to have green skirt and green sweater with white shirt? I might be wrong) PS My brother was a Jamhuri guy...... loool, ata Aga Khan High ile iko westlands ilikuwa na hizo colours. Jamuu ni chuo 90% ya mababi! :cool: Legend, Beste, gumbaru doesn't count!

BOB, I don't think two players deserve to be on that list (I Know it is urs, but hey). I think Trabelsi is on the list due to his previous acheivements and Mikel for his potential, but neither had a very good tournament. Mikel moves a lot like Zidane, he has a very good perception and passes the ball on and makes himself available as soon as he gets it.

Originally posted by The Rendezvous...: Gikuyu: BASI RAZIMA SHUMA IRARE DANI !!!!! Rende, loool...We ni sheikh bomu kweli! Unahubiri pande moja na huku unatoa ma jokes kama hizi? Noma!

Originally posted by Castro: Sad and funny at the same time. If these people were Somalis, Tulasi and Babuan would be forced to marry since Tulasi would be considered abondoned by Kapila. As for Kapila himself, he would have an extremely difficult time finding a single tree to climb up in Somalia. There's always qudhac

I found the game to be very dissapointing except for the few moments. Their previous meeting in the group stage where Egypt won 3-1 was far more exciting with loads of goal opportunities, but the Ivorians had fielded a 'B team' since they were already through to the quarters. It was an exciting tournament overall and the African teams seem much more organised, but much of the flair (the charm of African footbal) has been lost.

Originally posted by SoMa_InC: I just hope this defeat will not affect the team mentally against the Barca game, we really need to pull our socks up and improve our team spirit. Soma, Here's my crazy theory...it is called the 'African jinx' and Barca have had their share. Eto'o missed a crucial pernalty when Cameroon was kicked out of the African Cup, Barcelona went on to lose the next game to Athletico Madrid 1-3 after a winning streak of about 17 games. Drogba missed a pernalty in the finals and Chelsea were crushed 3-0 by Boro. Geremi is not to blame, Essien was responsible for one goal, Cech for the next and Carvalho (with the help of Terry) for the last goal.

Northerner, Rafa has never had good forwards even when he was at Valencia. For some strange reasons, even good forards under-achieve under his leadership. I remember when Oliveira came from Brazil and joined Valencia, Rafa was so disappointed with him and sold him to Betis the following season (he even made a joke that he ordered a fast car and got a sofa instead - or something along those lines). Oliveira went on to score over 20+ goals for Betis and was even called up by the Brazilian national team. Rafa prefers to play five midfielders of which two of them are offensive and one forward. He has tried to do that at L'pool but has failed. He never had a high scoring forward at Valencia but still managed to win trophies, this was because the midfielders were chipping in [with some getting] double digit goals. Players like Baraja, Albelda and Aimar often scored for him at Valencia but only Gerrard has been scoring at L'pool and that isn't good enough.

Originally posted by Northerner: ^^187, how many Chelsea fans did you know in 2003? ps how many Arsenal fans did you know before 1997? Northerner, I used to be a Chelsea fan, from the days of Gullit and to some extent Vialli. They brought something different to the Premiersip, continental class. They likes of Zola, Desailly, Di Matteo, LeBeouf, Weah etc made the Premiership worth watching for me. Ranieri took over and I lost interest. Arsenal have since ca. six years ago been the most watchable team in England.

Nur, It's been almost four years since I first read this piece, still very enjoyable and gets an important message through.

BOB, Good to see you back mate! The two sides that impressed me the most met in the quarters, Cameroon and Ivory Coast. I knew Ghana wouldn't go far as they were without their two most iunfluential players. Mido had a lot of problems at Ajax and Koeman couldn't stand his tantrums. He was not a bit hit at Marseille or at the 'spoilt brat' team Roma. He has been somewhat successful at Spurs because the Premiership suits his physique better than the other more technical leagues. Egypt-Ivory Coast final is good for the tournament but Egypt hasn't been that impressive. They were very lucky against Senegal. I think Ivory Coast will win today but it is very heartbreaking to see a home-side loosing a final. I just hope it's a good game, most games have been played very cautiously, except the Guinea-Tunisia game which was very open attacking football.

Turning Muslim in Texas

Salafi da'wa, Also remind him that you believe Sayyid Qutb (the Egyptian) to be an innovator. Remember rule no. 13 from your manual? It forbade the challenging of rulers as long as they were [referring to themselves as] Muslims.

Frost and now Raage, good move by Al-Jazeera. They are planning to challenge the 'big-boys' in the coming years.

JustCause, Good to see you back on the boards mate. Castro, Paragon means qarxis in Latin.